Moomba & Supra owners - swim platform issue

(mcook77) · (mcook77) **Join Date: Feb 2004** 01-08-2007, 11:54 AM

I know that many Moomba & Supra owners have experienced the issue of their platform getting wet and tracking a black residue onto the boat interior.

My question is that has anyone found a permanent solution short of Gator Grip/Hydro Turf. I know that keeping out of the sun and cleaning with Simple Green will help - but not resolve.

Is there anything made that could be used as a type of sealant on the platform to not allow this residue to come off? (not referring to Rhino or Linex)...more of a clear coat sealant for rubber??

(wakesetter101) · (wakesetter101) **Join Date: Oct 2005** 01-08-2007, 1:50 PM

I have pulled my rubber off my platform and will be putting some of this stuff on there before summer. http://www.boatmatz.com/ .

I used a bottle of Goo Gone to get the glue off that is under the old rubber. Its a time consuming job.

(outbackls) · (outbackls) **Join Date: May 2004** 01-08-2007, 2:01 PM

I have heard of people using a clear epoxy spray on sealant for this. Automotive grade. But I have not tried it on mine. I have been using simple grren to keep the black stuff at bay as best as I can. If the boat sits out side for even a few days the black residue returns. I clean it again and its gone... like magic! Very frustrating!

(deepcove) · (deepcove) **Join Date: Mar 2004** 01-08-2007, 5:13 PM

I have been puting up with it for 3 years...whats even more frustrating is it gets on your shorts when pulling yourself out of the water....

(river_hill) · (river_hill) **Join Date: Jun 2006** 01-08-2007, 5:16 PM

Has there been any response from Supra on this? Do you know if the 2006 and 2007 models do this as well?

(o2binvallarta) · (o2binvallarta) **Join Date: Jul 2006** 01-08-2007, 5:22 PM

^^^^What he said!

(mcook77) · (mcook77) **Join Date: Feb 2004** 01-08-2007, 5:47 PM

I actually e-mailed Matt Brown with Skiers Choice on Friday but have not received a reply yet.

I know it was still an issue with 05 models, not sure about 06-07.

(billthom) · (billthom) **Join Date: Apr 2005** 01-08-2007, 5:48 PM

I think they changed it in 06 to some sort of material that was supposed to be better. I don't know the results...

(kdsuprassv) · (kdsuprassv) **Join Date: Dec 2006** 01-08-2007, 5:50 PM

I just bought my '06 Launch 20 SSV so I don't know if this is a problem or not. I'm old school and will probably switch mine out for a teak platform later on.

(jon_a) · (jon_a) **Join Date: Feb 2003** 01-08-2007, 5:52 PM

Supra and Moomba did change their material in 06 and is the same for 07. I have had zero problems with either year of boat. Then again, I never had a problem with previous year platforms either.

(mcook77) · (mcook77) **Join Date: Feb 2004** 01-08-2007, 6:15 PM

Jon - as a dealer, you have never had a complaint from a customer with a 2005 year or older model boat?

As you can see from this post, it is a very common occurrence and I find it strange that you have not heard of this issue.

(smokedog2) · (smokedog2) **Join Date: Dec 2004** 01-08-2007, 6:25 PM

Aero 303 - it is an oxidation issue I think.

Covering the platform in storage will also help.

I have yet to have a problem with my 2005

(sjmedic) · (sjmedic) **Join Date: May 2004** 01-08-2007, 6:36 PM

I am in the process of making platform covers out of heavy nylon and neoprene. These covers will fit like a glove on the swim platforms, and be non-slip. Hopefully the prototypes will be finished by the summer. Transom protectors are also almost done.

(wakesetter101) · (wakesetter101) **Join Date: Oct 2005** 01-08-2007, 6:46 PM

I think it has to do with leaving it out in the sun. At the beginning of last year i had that problem. I cleaned it with Purple Stuff and a hard brissle brush, it lasted almost all summer before it came back. It wont be on there next year.

(jon_a) · (jon_a) **Join Date: Feb 2003** 01-08-2007, 10:09 PM

Nope. I really have not heard a complaint from any of my customers. Plus we used a 2004 Mobius LS, a 2005 Mobius LSV, a 2004 Launch 21, and a 2003 Launch 22SSV as demo boats. Never had a problem with anything. I do hear that other people are having problems but that is just my experience.

(supraz) · (supraz) **Join Date: Nov 2006** 01-08-2007, 10:21 PM

I had a major issue with my 06 Outback, but very little issue with my 06 Supra. I think it was do to the fact that the Supra's swim step was submerged most of the time. Both my boats are/were exposed to the sun.

(nauty) · (nauty) **Join Date: Feb 2004** 01-09-2007, 8:34 AM

I don't think covering the platform during storage will make it any better. I have a 2004 SSV and have this problem only when it's warm out during the height of the summer. I ride year round and only experience this issue when it's 90 degrees or above.

I rode this past weekend in 50 degree air temp / 50 degree water and had no issues with the black residue. Yet, in the summer the black residue gets tracked all over my boat. This makes me certain that the problem is more prevelant when temperatures are higher.

(rmcronin) · (rmcronin) **Join Date: Aug 2002** 01-09-2007, 8:38 AM

Is boatmatz.com just an upgrade to the Gator Grip site?

(billthom) · (billthom) **Join Date: Apr 2005** 01-09-2007, 8:41 AM

I live in Seattle, and we only see 90 a few days out of the summer.

Yet, I have the problem almost all summer. It is the worst towards the end of the summer.

It is so bad if I have not cleaned it in a while, it will about ruin the first suit that touches it. Worse than that it makes everyone's feet dirty when they get in/out of the water. Makes for a dirty interior unless I'm being that guy who makes people take soap and brush to their feet before coming back on. And I've been that guy before.

(acurtis_ttu) · (acurtis_ttu) **Join Date: May 2004** 01-09-2007, 9:09 AM

I haev no issues with my 2004 SSV

(saltyoysters) · (saltyoysters) **Join Date: May 2006** 01-09-2007, 4:59 PM

my 06 xlv has the same problem, how about useing hydro-turf

(mcook77) · (mcook77) **Join Date: Feb 2004** 01-09-2007, 5:07 PM

I got an e-mail from Matt Brown with Skiers Choice a few hours ago and he said he would send me another e-mail tomorrow with some options. As soon as I have that, I will share what he says.

(stanfield) · (stanfield) **Join Date: Mar 2004** 01-10-2007, 5:25 AM

I'd be interested to hear what he has to say Mike. I've been living with this problem for the past couple of years. Ruined many pairs of boardshorts and have to keep a towel in the back for everyone to wipe their feet on before they get in. A total P I T A for sure. I was going to replace the mat with gator grip, but w/o peeling the old mat off entirely, it looks like the surface underneath is not smooth so I wasn't sure how well it would stick.

(Message edited by stanfield on January 10, 2007)

(wakedad33) · (wakedad33) **Join Date: Oct 2005** 01-10-2007, 6:02 AM

I never heard of this before, I had no problem with my 03 LSV or my 06 LSV. My friends 04 Supra dosen't have the problem, they did change the meteral in 06 to a harder compound. Must be the clean water in Oregon

(ripr) · (ripr) **Join Date: Mar 2002** 01-10-2007, 6:30 AM

I had the issue with my '04. However, the lake I ride in most of the time could be the nastiest in the Midwest.

(gene3x)

No Problems with my 06 24V.

(pickle311) · (pickle311) **Join Date: Oct 2005** 01-10-2007, 10:18 AM

I don't have that problem with my 05 Moomba, not yet atleast

(billthom) · (billthom) **Join Date: Apr 2005** 01-10-2007, 1:56 PM

Yes Mike, Please share when you hear something!

(mcook77) · (mcook77) **Join Date: Feb 2004** 01-10-2007, 2:09 PM

Will do - did not hear from Matt yet today, so I just dropped him another e-mail.

(woreout) · (woreout) **Join Date: Aug 2006** 01-10-2007, 2:18 PM

Teak.

(ridininmd) · (ridininmd) **Join Date: Jun 2006** 01-10-2007, 3:57 PM

no issues with my 03 ssv. My cover does go over the swim platform and it is always underwater

(deepcove) · (deepcove) **Join Date: Mar 2004** 01-10-2007, 5:31 PM

I think a teak conversion is the way to go, personally I think gator grip and boatmaz look very unappealing....but then again I feel the same about tinted windows on boats so I am sure I am a minority on this one.

(truebeachbum) · (truebeachbum) **Join Date: Oct 2006** 01-10-2007, 6:38 PM

i dont have that problem with my 06 gg

(mcook77) · (mcook77) **Join Date: Feb 2004** 01-11-2007, 7:28 AM

Update - Matt e-mailed me back and is going to mail me the 2006 platform material they are using so I can replace mine. I have asked him how I should advise others that need this material (if they should e-mail him or call Skiers Choice customer service).

He also had the below to say about using cleaners on these platforms:

I can tell you that the non-skid manufacturer strongly recommends that you do not use any cleaner on the product such as simple green, armor all, or any other cleaner. The chemicals in most cleaners actually react with the non-skid and causes the black carbon to come to the surface. Then when sitting in the sun, this carbon oxidizes and gathers on the top. Then when the carbon gets wet it tracks into the boat. They recommend you only clean the surface with soap and water. Think of it this way… Originally the surface has a type of top coat on it. Once the top coat is removed by the chemicals, then there is no protection and this process happens. The chemicals are what can take this top coat off the product and once removed, you will always have problems. Just something to consider.

(gene3x)

So in other words.... never wash your boat. Like me.

(nauty) · (nauty) **Join Date: Feb 2004** 01-11-2007, 9:21 AM

Michael,

Can you PM me Matt's contact info? I would like to replace mine as well.

I can tell you that I never wash my swim platform, ever. Since it's not covered by my mooring cover, there's really no point in washing it when I wash my boat. At most, it gets some suds on it from rinsing off my boat, butr it never gets cleaned specifically.

(Message edited by nauty on January 11, 2007)

(duffy) · (duffy) **Join Date: Feb 2006** 01-11-2007, 9:49 AM

I have the same problem with my Malibu.

(rickt) · (rickt) **Join Date: May 2002** 01-11-2007, 11:17 AM

Richard,

Michael is out today. But PM sent.

Rick

(stanfield) · (stanfield) **Join Date: Mar 2004** 01-11-2007, 11:28 AM

If there's a solution to this problem, can someone please forward me the email/pm as well. Not having to deal with black streaks all over the interior would make my summer a lot better.

Like others, I've never taken any sort of cleaner to my platform either. It gets a bath each time we dunk her in the lake.

(nauty) · (nauty) **Join Date: Feb 2004** 01-11-2007, 12:15 PM

Rick,

Recived you PM. Thanks very much. I appreciate the help! Top notch service as always!

- Richard

(billthom) · (billthom) **Join Date: Apr 2005** 01-11-2007, 12:51 PM

Every time I see Rick post on here it makes me love my Supra even more!!!!

So how do I go about getting the new material as well for my 05 21v?

I have never used anything but soap and water and it's pretty bad.

(mcook77) · (mcook77) **Join Date: Feb 2004** 01-11-2007, 4:21 PM

Just heard back from Matt and he said to follow these steps to get it replaced:

They need to contact their dealer and if the dealer has any questions, tell them to reference Wakeworld or contact Rob Loucks directly at the plant.

(dukeno1) · (dukeno1) **Join Date: May 2006** 01-11-2007, 4:53 PM

As someone else said....TEAK!!! ON mine all you have to worry about is busting your Arse from all of the teak oil I have applied!!