Right setup for an X1?

After 120 hours and one summer with the boat, we're ready to get the most out of our wake, but I have a few questions about what to do. I'm thinking of removing the 2 hard tanks in the rear and replacing those with pro-X sacs that fill the compartments (400lbs each), leaving the center sac alone, and putting in an integreated pro-X sac under the seats in the front (about 400 lbs...?).

Will this weight setup be sufficient, or will we still need to run more weight, possibly in lead, up front to compensate for all the weight in the rear? Also will the 310 horse RTP-1 be able to handle this much weight? Am I pushing my limits?

I know weghting this hull has been discussed alot around here, but really appreciate your input because I know you guys know your stuff.

It's tough for surfing for sure, was playing with people ballast on the weekend.. was great, but was washy, I am thinking I am going to get a 400 lbs sac for the rear compartment and some wieght in the bow, kinda like your saying with the V-sac.

Get like 10 more pop-bags(400lbs steel shot)just to adjust the wake,side to side and front to back,stashing like 6 of them and keeping 4 in the cockpit.With the sacs you mentioned and like 400lbs in lead,I don't think anybody would complain about the wake.

Not a fan of the pop-bags of lead or steel shot... pictures in my mind of boat getting swamped and sinking to bottom of lake.... insurance seeing lead in boat and voiding your claim..... in turn, you feeling like a total dumbass cause you lost a $50,000 investment.

leave the tanks in and add a 350 on each side, then put a 350 in the walk through and a 350 up front...mmmmmm that sounds pretty fun

this is all you need

Alright, now can the 310 RTP handle the setup like Ed or Jeremy said? Would it have to be re propped?

if you replace the back tanks, get the fly high prox sacks, hte 750's not the 400's. They fit back there with enough room for a vest or two

dj, do the 750's fill up back there, or do they just fill to the capacity of the compartment?

how much weight do you estimate you are putting on each side of the engine?

is there any trouble draining from the bottom of the bag when you are using larger bags than the space available?

The 750's fit fine and fill to near capacity. I would recommend putting a "L" type bracket screwed into the floor to support the bottom of your plastic motor shields to prevent bowing and them touching the exhaust manifolds. You need a fair amount of weight in the nose to compensate for the 750's or just don't fill them all the way. The 750's give you more flexability with surfing however and when full and adequate weight in the nose to balance the boat out, the wake is outstanding. You have to run a minimum of about 23 - 23.5 to keep it from washing, 24 to 25 @ 80 feet is great. Definitely need to reprop (at least on my '01 205V) I run the Acme 1235.

for wakesurfing I would consider 750's otherwise the 400's are plenty for the rear especially since everybody sits in the cockpit.
I have the MCX and with all the crazy set ups I ran,I never reproped.I considered reproping once with Approx. 2,400lbs over stock but didn't keep the set up long enough.Even with the heaviest set up it still planed rather quickly but thought more for fuel consumption then anything else.

Greg,I had up to 42 pop bags in my boat and guess what,every one of those babies would have been overboard in a hurry,after all there is at lest two more people on the boat.
Ohh and Greg,just learn how to drive bud.

SO how should I drive... I set the cruise to 10.4 and hold it on course.

I was just joking dude.I was referring letting your boat sink therefore need to learn how to drive.
Sorry,I didn't mean to get you upset.

UpNorth X1, If you are interested, I have a Flyhigh 750lb fat sack for sale. Gray in color and in excellent condition. I live in Walled Lake. Selling for $100. They normally go for $150 at Watersport.

I would re-prop the boat with that much ballst.
E-mail ACME or OJ props and they will recommend which prop to run for your ballast configuration.

The prop guys know their stuff.

That engine will do it. We didn't reprop our old xstar and it does fine. I'm sure it wouldn't hurt though

"if you replace the back tanks, get the fly high prox sacks, hte 750's not the 400's. They fit back there with enough room for a vest or two"

I disagree. I run the 400s in mine. 1400 pounds in the back will turn your wake soft and washed out unless you ride a shorter line.

I removed the hard tanks on my XStar (02) and put 550# bags on each side of the motor, filled the stock center tank, filled a 600# sac across the front seat and had 200# of lead in the very front.

It always seemed like with more then 5+ people the wake would begin to wash so I'd only fill the rear bags 1/2 to 3/4 full and the wake was large and clean. Any more then 3/4 full and I'd have to run 25+ to get it to clean up.

If anyone is interested, I have a pair of Fly-High Pro-X V-drive sacs for sale, (p/n W701) that were purchased in July of 2006, only used them 1 time. Color is black.
You can read the specs at http://www.wakeside.com/page/W/PROD/wakeboard_boat_ballast/fly_high_v_drive_sac_W701

Asking $150.00 plus shipping.
E-mail me at rogerw@davistl.com or call at 503-320-4082

Which Pro X Series sac is the best fit for the ski locker of a 99 205V? I am looking at one with no ballast system currently. Obviously would want to max out the locker. 99 does not have the KGB.

They offer a Tube Sac at 10x16x62 and a Rear Seat Bottom (fits under seat) at 12x26x62.

Have the dimensions of that locker stayed the same from year to year?

"I disagree. I run the 400s in mine. 1400 pounds in the back will turn your wake soft and washed out unless you ride a shorter line."

I have to disagree with your disagreement. I agree with you and Ed that optimal is prolly around 400 each side but you CAN run the 750's and ride 80+ feet. You need more weight in the nose and more speed (24 - 25) but the wake is very clean and large and not soft at all. You have to feather down your stops to avoid taking water over the back but you can do it. More than 4-5 people however and you'd better be draining some off. The 750's give you the MAX capacity of the rear lockers but require some thought about where to stop filling. If you want to just hit switches and wait for the overflow and not have issues then the Pro-X V-drive sacks are the way to go.

(Message edited by rake on September 26, 2006)

guys i'm currently looking to upgrade to an 04 X2. i'm used to running my '98 DD x-star with 7 20L barrels of sand in the back, 2 90L plastic dustbins of water either side of the motor (ie. four in total)and another 20L barrel of sand up front. the wake is peachy and i want nothing less from the new boat. what do you recommend? sounds like remove the hard tanks in the back and stick in 400lb sacks then chuck a load of led up under the front. expect that without the rear ballast filled on this config. that the wake would be tastey for skating as well ... guidance please ...plus how do you ensure the bags empty totally?

(Message edited by The Pimp on September 26, 2006)

(Message edited by The Pimp on September 26, 2006)

400 pounds of POP isnt going to sink a boat dude, not even a chance.

Ive been known to run 25 POP bags in my boat from time to time...

I run 750's plus 200 in lead in the back and 600 in lead in the bow, plus the center locker sack.

Krenek will vouch that the wake is far from soft.

and I've got the 310hp engine. Works just fine

Thanks for all the replies guys; to bad I have to wait till May to ride it after I get the system setup...

I think I'll run the 400's in the back, don't want to max it out that far, and still need to decide between the integrated sac up front under the seats or just lead up there. I'm leaning toward the sac so I don't have to trailer around a bunch or extra weight all the time, but like what Ed said by just getting about 300lbs in lead to tweak it.

My question got overlooked during the heated rear sack setup discussion. One more try:

"Which Pro X Series sac is the best fit for the ski locker of a 99 205V? I am looking at one with no ballast system currently. Obviously would want to max out the locker. 99 does not have the KGB.

They offer a Tube Sac at 10x16x62 and a Rear Seat Bottom (fits under seat) at 12x26x62."

here is the perfect setup 750's in the back they fit perfectly, stock ballast up front plus 350-400 lead in the bow and then fill a 250 or bigger sac when your on the water. the wake is amazing and dont be a wuss put the 750's the wakesurf wake is sick and it makes life so much easier. YOu arent going to overload it if you keep the weight balanced with weight forward. I did it and wished I had done it this way from day one. Only takes like 20 minutes and this way if you have a ballast pump go out lke they seem to then you can empty sacs by hand. Instead of having to trailer with all the weight in the tanks. The lead is key I have a 80 pound block I have to move around to balance out the boat that is key and my boat is perfect as good as I will ever need.

were can u get an integrated sac that fits under the front seats? I want one

look at the Pro X series at wakeside.com or buywake.com

nwrep, dude, you say it only takes 20 mins. what do you mean - to fill up or to fit?
Can someone answer me, how do you ensure the sacks empty all the way?

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Matt,you don't.A little is surely left after emptying them.You can picked them up and drain them but it doesn't matter that a little water is left.

Matt both, It took just around 20 minutes to replace the tanks. just get some tubing to extend the overflow so that it will reach when the bag is empty and some white tube connectors to connect the black stock overflow to the new one. My point is its so much easier than you think it took me close to 2 years to do this and Im laughing at how easy and better it is. The wake is so good and its so easy just hit the switches and fill a small asc up front. the sacs wont empty all the way but im talking like barely any water totally easy to move with one hand out of the compartment. Also I used quick connects for teh connections and so I can pop them out at teh end of the year and clean them
or use them in a friends xstar. Abviously they take a long time to fill but relativelly speaking allot quicker than manually filling sacs up in the back or trailering with allot of weight. I can take pics if you want

Take some pictures of that nwrep. I would be interested in seeing that.

stealing!!!**hyjack**

if anyone has some star/2/1 tanks that they wanna get rid of (hopefully for free!! or cheap) send me and email. i wanna double the rear.. thanks

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We have an 06 X1 with a 310 .....it puts out a lot of power and torque even at 6000ft elevation, we are running the set up CIE Jerrod explained and wouldn't want to be doing it without the new prop. The OJ 14.25 seems to work great, although we never even tried the stock one. The 310 has been pretty nice on the gas bill also.

There is a picture of the 750 the top overflow little addition I added and lastly the bottom of the bag where I simply unscrewed the white connector from the tanks and put it right on the bag. It works really good. I puty black tape over the quick connect but its not needed.