For me ts 3's I landed in like 2-3 tries. It took me at least 50-60 tries to get the heel 3. Funny thing is, the ts 3 comes and goes. Is very consistent for a long time, then I'll struggle for a couple weeks. The heel 3, I very rarely miss. Just an FYI, on the ts 3, think don't spin, just pass the handle. Where on the hs 3, you difinetly need to spin it.
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