stock wake on 04 lsv

hey i was riding behind one of these a couple of weeks ago. the ballast was full and the plate down and the wake wasnt very good at all. for comparison my p/s 190 with 2k lbs throws a MUCH better wake. it isnt my boat but i was wondering how much weight was needed to get a rideable wake.

i hear the contrary from many owners...

My neighbor has one, we put around 2120 in it with people included and the wake was around almost knee high and alot steeper than my X-2. Too steep in my opinion.

Alan, I'll get bashed for this too, but I think the LSV needs more weight than stock to be good. I used to ride behind a ps 190 and I liked it better as well. LSV is also rounder than the ps. my theory is your going to adjust your style to whatever your used to riding behind.

I have to disagree - I have an 05 LSV (same hull) and the stock ballast (1250lbs) with the wedge and only the driver in the boat produces a very ridable wake. Not to mention it's not a very "level" comparison you're doing there - it's kind of tough to compare a PS190 with a 23' LSV.

With 2-3 people and a 600lb sac on the floor, the wake is really awesome. I've added to that a 350lb sac in the walkway and the wake was almost scary.

I am not for sure but I believe he is talking about a Moomba LSV not a the 23ft Malibu. If you notice in the first post it refers to a wakeplate which moomba has.

^^^or it could be the wedge plate.

could be a moomba, not sure. i think that'll help the discussion.

no im referring to the malibu 23' sorry for the confusion. i have ridden on one loaded down and i thought it was really nice but it was loaded. the one i rode the other day had no additional ballast other than the stock ballast and wedge which i rode with up and down to try to make it rideable.

i guess i was expecting a little more from a stock boat. i rode a stock SAN and that was huge.

A few questions: Was fuel tank full? How many peeps in boat? With the 04 I've found when filling bow ballast at first will overflow thinking full, but after bringing boat up to wakeboard speed then idling it get's an air bubble out of bow ballast enabling more ballast. It does make a difference. In 05 malibu seems to have fixed that glitch by having separate mid and bow ballast.
Every boat has it's own characteristic's from each other, even in same models.
I've personally found an extra 600lbs in boat (200 a side in stern, 200 just forward of midship, at least half a tank of fuel), and 2-5 people in boat give a very happy rider. Nobody has left disappointed. Only on occasion have we been using wedge. It doesn't really create bigger, but a rather steeper wake. Surfing with wedge creates a great surf wake. Being a 23 foot boat with a 100 inch beam takes alot of weight to displace the water for a kill wake, but you have room for lots of friends. Hopefully most everyone here would agree most everybody tweeks their boat's somehow to reach what their looking for.

Alan, by the way I've owned 96 and 98 prostar's and the wake really didn't come close even with lots and lots of weight. Not bashing just confused with your claim. Also not trying to protect BU for I am very fond of MC as well. Maybe it was the width of the Bu wake that may have made wake look or seem smaller.

2000lbs+small boat doesnt equal 1250lbs+big boat

I have something to say about this. First off this whole wake quality thing is crap for a few reasons. Not to many of us in here are even good enough on the boards to make a decision on how good a wake is or not is. second you'll get all kinds of opinons on this boat or that boat's wake and they will all be different. Witch I guess means there all crap and can't be trusted. one thing for certain is that most any boat including the dreaded I/O can through a wake good enough for 90% of you people. Second is if the stock wake isn't good enough for you just add weight how difficult is that anyway. You can add weight to a 85 mastercraft and get a decent wake if you want to. Finally compare a 21 with a 21 if you want to get any kind of reponse that makes sense.

I rode a 04 LSV with stock, wedge + 500 in the walk through and it was awesome. Those boats can take a lot of weight and it just gets better. I've ridden a Slammed 190 also and it wasn't even in the same league.

WORD

Who rides with stock ballast anyway? Every boat needs a little more, and yes Ive ridden every boat minus moomba and tige. Pros don't think stock ballast is adequate and nor do I

J-Rod, Spoken like a true man. You are probably the most stand up guy on this forum. How many M/C owners are there out there that would dispute this thread like you did? Not many. Hats off to you.

Oh yeah...I forgot! I own a MC now! Hey forget what I said before! hahah

Thanks Bobby.

Jeremiah hit it on the head. You aren't comparing apples to apples. The LSV is a much bigger boat and will take that much more weight to get a better wake.

We've found that with stock ballast, the wedge, and 4-5 people the wake is really nice. If you only have 1-2 people then the wake definitely seems small. I usually only add 400 lbs. to the walkway and that produces a great wake which is plenty to do anything you want on.

I was on that boat with J-Rod and the wake was absolutely sick. We've ridden that boat without the additional 500 on occasion, too, but we had more people. Maybe something was wrong, or the ballast wasn't all the way filled.

I've never seen another boat (mmmm, maybe excepting the new X-start with a ton of weight) that moves the water that the LSV's do. The wake is big, meaty and still has a killer lip. To top if off it is pretty wide, so you can really charge and go wake to wake.

Hate to say it, but there are even times I miss J-Rod's old boat. That thing was bad.

this thread wasnt meant to be a comparison btwn mc vs bu. rather, i just wanted to know how much weight i should recommend the owner of the boat add. but id take my ps 190 wake over the STOCK lsv wake any day. please read that last sentence closely before jumping down my throat.

jared the owner is relatively new to the sport alas no additional ballast.


hyrum btw you cant add enough weight to a 85 190 to get a decent wake. i owned an 86 and with about 4 inches of rub rail above the water line the wake still sucked.

i have ridden a loaded(dont know how much ballast) lsv and that wake was sick.

evan you said it best, starting with wide and a ramp is key imo. The san is steep and narrow to start, and even though you can shape it a little bit by adding front weight its always a narrow, hit the flats everytime wake. My knees are too old for that.

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