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Join Date: Jan 2008
03-28-2009, 9:26 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2008
03-29-2009, 5:07 AM
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IMO you should ditch the step. Just did a lot of work on my Supra, so if you need advice I can help. Good luck!
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Join Date: Mar 2008
03-29-2009, 5:55 AM
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I will be watching! 87 SunSport here.
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Join Date: Mar 2008
03-29-2009, 7:20 AM
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Good Project
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Join Date: Jan 2008
03-29-2009, 7:31 AM
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Yeah the swim step is gone all the interior in the back is out for now. I have plans on redoing the swim platform out of teak I hate that aluminum. For now I have all the oil changed a new battery and everything starting and running like it should I think so I’m off to the lake to see how bad she takes on water if everything is ok I will put some sacks in it to see what kind of wake I can get out of her. Pics and the end result coming tonight when I get back from the lake.
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Join Date: Mar 2008
03-29-2009, 7:45 AM
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If you redo the back seat remember to make room for a sac! Put another in the rear ski locker. I used Fly High locker sacs, you should go bigger. The swim platform is aluminum??? The whole thing? Woah.
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Join Date: Apr 2008
03-29-2009, 8:13 AM
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If your needing parts for your boat call Jim Jackson at viper customs his number is 865-388-4096 he has more older supra parts than anyone I have ever seen and makes some of the best looking custom parts,my boat is there right now being completly redone. He worked for skiers choice for several years and is now in the old supra plant give him my name (jason) and you should get a little discount.
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Join Date: Feb 2002
03-29-2009, 8:53 AM
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Soften the edges on the platform and Line-X it. Finally something you can coat that the teak lovers won't freak out about. I might try lining mine but I'm afraid of the teak lovers on this board. Shoot I'll probabaly take crap for thinking about it.
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Join Date: Mar 2007
03-29-2009, 8:56 AM
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that boat will be sweet when your done.
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Join Date: Jul 2007
03-29-2009, 11:21 AM
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Very nice choice for a project boat you'll be pleased when you're done with her. Definitely keep us updated with pics
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Join Date: Jan 2008
03-29-2009, 8:46 PM
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03-29-2009, 8:55 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2008
03-29-2009, 8:58 PM
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Next time try the surf wave. OK ok post the tower on right now.
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Join Date: Jun 2003
03-29-2009, 9:02 PM
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What kind of tower is that, it looks great. I looked at one of these years back. It was a steal, but I couldn't move on it at the time. I would like to have one for a surf machine.
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Join Date: Jan 2008
03-29-2009, 9:06 PM
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The surf wake looked really good bud I forgot to take pics of it and I did not have my surfboard with me at the time its a mc tower I think from an x45
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Join Date: Sep 2006
03-29-2009, 9:08 PM
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You will definately want to reprop that boat if it hasnt been already. Same boat with around 2000 pounds and the 454 could not get on plane with stock prop. With that boat, the hard part is getting a steep wake farther back. We have tried every combination imaginable and if you want to ride 75 ft back at like 23, the wake is rampy. great for into the flats though. And the double ups were always good I know it looks photoshopped but its not. The pic got messed up when it was compressed
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Join Date: Nov 2008
03-30-2009, 4:43 AM
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Looks good
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Join Date: Sep 2003
03-30-2009, 6:23 AM
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wakeboarding in jeans, you may have started a new fad.
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Join Date: Sep 2003
03-30-2009, 6:28 AM
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" I might try lining mine but I'm afraid of the teak lovers on this board. " GET HIM !!!!
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Join Date: Jan 2008
03-30-2009, 7:02 AM
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I’m pretty sure that the swim deck on my boat was teak at one time and my goal is to have the boat look as original as I can get it to look so I’m keeping an eye out for someone with a cheap teak deck that either wants to trade me or sell me there’s plus I love the way teak looks and its not that hard to maintain it. It is about 30$ of teak oil per year if you buy it from West Marine I’m pretty sure I can find it for half that per gallon on ebay or something and it takes about 5 min to put on with a sprayer two or tree times per year.
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Join Date: Jul 2008
03-30-2009, 10:15 AM
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I've got an 87 here.... you've got work to do! Surf Wake is AWESOME on this boat with a LOT of weight in the back.... I've never had much success getting a great wakeboard wake, but I haven't focused too much time on it. Good luck!
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Join Date: Mar 2008
03-30-2009, 12:27 PM
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bosworth where's the pics? Surf pix please?
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Join Date: Jul 2008
03-30-2009, 1:09 PM
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You're going to have to wait a couple of months. Snow storm is rolling in as we speak. I weight mine with 2200lbs port and behind the doghouse. Everyone who's ever been on it has been really impressed with the surf wake. Never had any success adding more weight to the front for either wakeboard or surf wakes. I've also never played with the wakeplate which I'm sure could make a big difference in things. Overall... good boat... good wakes... but.... CHECK THE WOOD FOR ANY ROTTING!
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Join Date: Jul 2002
03-30-2009, 1:19 PM
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500 in the playpen and 500 on each side of the engine is a good starting point. if you put any in the rear locker, put twice as much in the bow...i never really had much luck using that locker for weight. i've got an 87 also.
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Join Date: Jan 2008
03-30-2009, 2:49 PM
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What size prop are you guys running with the 454?
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Join Date: May 2006
03-30-2009, 2:50 PM
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"so I don’t have to wear the stupid wet suit any more" Please don't post those pics when you do! I hope I speak for every male on this board! I am diggin' the boat though! I really like the lines...That sucker looks like it would plow through some rough water!
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Join Date: Jul 2007
03-30-2009, 3:10 PM
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03-30-2009, 3:21 PM
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Sounds like you guys each weight your Salts differently. In my SunSport I've heard people doing different things too. Personally I say 50/50 or 40front/60rear for older Supras. The reason is that the extra-deep vee in the nose: -Bow weight makes the wake table much higher and the wake much bigger rampier. Too much in the bow and it is no good. -Rear weight makes the wake much steeper and the pop much more abrupt. Rear-heavy weighting works well, but it can be bigger with a more balanced load imo. 87SunSport
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Join Date: Sep 2006
03-30-2009, 3:35 PM
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Totally different animal than the SunSport imo. What is logical on every boat we have ever dealt with and the formulas that work for every other boat just dont work from our experiences. The surf wake is awesome though. When we could get the wake big it was at like 55 feet. When we would add weight to the front, speed up, or adjust the plate, the wake would just get so rampy it would pretty much dissappear. The pic I posted is an 89 saltaire (fiberglass swim platform btw and 8 its original)with probably 6-8 people well placed in the boat and a few440lb fly high sacs. Probably 1200 lbs or so of ballast. At one point we had a fly high triangle sac full up front plus 440 up there, two 440s in the back a couple 150s in the middle and the boat wouldnt get on plane at all. Moved the trim plate all the way down and it still wouldnt do it. It would be awesome if someone figured something out.
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Join Date: Jul 2002
03-30-2009, 6:10 PM
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i agree ^, sunsports are alot easier to load up. i've got an acme 541...13x12 i think. you can pull a pretty good load. 1500 lbs and 6 people wasn't too bad. it's been reworked a couple of times and lost some of the bite though. i put the wakeplate all the way down when i got it, never tried anywhere else. i like your tower, the boat almost looks a bit small but it looks real stout.
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Join Date: Mar 2008
03-30-2009, 8:06 PM
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Guys sorry for posting SunSport info on the Saltaire thread. But about the wake plate...down all the way is about the worst place to have it. It completely ruins your wake. All the way up is the standard position. Putting it about 10% down makes the wake/wave steeper, this is the ideal position. About 20-25% down is the maximum recommended in the manual and is the best position for cruising only. Again, once you get past 10% down the wave is absolutly a ton smaller. This is how you make the slalom wake. It should be all the way up or 10% down is best. Mine is hydrolic so I run it in all positions.
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Join Date: Mar 2009
03-30-2009, 8:11 PM
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I have got a 86 Saltare I am rebuilding. You will love the boat. I have got the wake to be dailed in, it is as big as anything I have seen.
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Join Date: Mar 2008
03-30-2009, 9:20 PM
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Hey inverts good to see you again! Lets see them wake pics!
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Join Date: Jul 2002
03-31-2009, 5:37 AM
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you're right mikey...i meant plate is all the way up
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Join Date: Mar 2008
03-31-2009, 5:41 AM
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Oh I shoulda guessed :P Have you tried it 10% down? Try it it makes the wakes cleaner, steeper and puts a nice peak on 'em.
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Join Date: Mar 2008
03-31-2009, 5:45 AM
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Alex were you able to hide any of those sacs under the seats? Give it a try. Did you say the tower was from a MC X45?? Interesting. It looke like it used to have swivel board racks there on the tower. Cool!
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Join Date: Jan 2008
03-31-2009, 7:58 AM
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Yes the tower is from a MC x45 and it did have the swivel board racks witch I am looking for but for $350 for the tower it was a no brainier. No there is no seats in the back I pulled everything out so I can work on it once I get everything figured out mechanically I will start working on the interior. I’m planning to reinforce the ski locker in the back so I can put a sack in it and I’m planning to build the base for the back seat all one piece like a bench seat so I can fill that up to. My goal is to have all my ballast under the seats and out of site I don’t want to have to be jumping over bags having them roll around plus I want to make everything automated so I just flip a switch and if fills up
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Join Date: Jun 2003
03-31-2009, 8:00 AM
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Very nice Alex. The boat looks great. That is a steal for that tower.
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Join Date: Jan 2008
03-31-2009, 8:02 AM
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sale-nqejp-1100279789@craigslist.org He has one more for sale I think they are warranty towers from mc that he replaced the broken parts on
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Join Date: Mar 2008
03-31-2009, 8:17 AM
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Alex did you just get lucky and your Salt was the right width?? I know that can be difficult. Dang with that cheap of a tower get a swivel board rack! Good idea about the rear bench seat, heck you could almost make a wrap around rear bench seat almost like a vdrive in that big boat lol! That's what I did in my SunSport too, rebuilt the rear seat to hold a 370lb sac. Another in the rear ski locker. What about up front? Some people like the bow sac but it is so huge and takes up your WHOLE open bow. The Supras have such a large open bow I decided to get two v-drive sacs 400lbs ea. Then the sacs tuck into the corners of the open bow and you still have a lot of space under the cushins!
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Join Date: Jan 2008
03-31-2009, 2:08 PM
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Yeah I got a bit lucky on the tower. We had to squeeze it in about 1’’ in the back and it fit perfectly and for the front I had to remove the mounting brackets you can see them in the pics that the tower is hanging off the crane and just bolt directly in to the tower from underneath it was a pain in the ass and I still have sharpie all over the place from marking everything up. But everything bolted down and perfectly and is laying flat and snug. And like someone said earlier I think the tower is a bit big for the boat and maybe sitting about 6” to 10” further back than I think it should but for $ 350 I am willing to overlook that plus anything else that is remotely close to that price lets say about double has the stupid swivel joints that fit any boat that which I know is practical but at the same time I think it looks very silly. Ok I have a question my prop is bent and I am getting a very bad vibration I can pick up a brand new OJ 3 blade 13x13 for $150 or a brand new steel something I cant remember the name 4 blade 13x13 for like $200 what are you guys running in your boats do you think that pop will work. Im also thinking I might just pick up the OJ since it is so cheap and use it as a spear if it does not work out for me when the boat is loaded down stock prop on that boat is 14x13
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Join Date: Jul 2002
03-31-2009, 2:21 PM
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the tower on my boat was originally made for a maristar but it didn't fit right, windshield wouldn't open all of the way. got it installed for $600. acme recommended a 13x12 when i talked to them a few years ago. you're looking at around $100 to re-work your prop...i'd take the new oj for $150 and go from there.
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Join Date: Jan 2008
04-01-2009, 5:05 PM
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Ok got the prop figured out can you guys chime in on some kind of speed control system I have heard of perfect pass what else is out there that might work with this boat what are you guys running as far as a speed control on the older boats
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Join Date: Jul 2008
04-02-2009, 8:10 AM
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PerfectPass is the way to go, but I don't know of many people that have spent the money to upgrade an older boat. I think the tower looks great but is a hair further back than I would have put it. Are you sure it's your prop? Might be a bent propshaft or worn bearings or a number of other things. I'd have the prop checked as a starting point and go from there. One things for sure... don't run it with any vibration back there or you're just going to cause more problems.
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04-02-2009, 8:20 AM
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man that boat looks sick with that tower, nice job.
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Join Date: Mar 2008
04-02-2009, 3:06 PM
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Perfect Pass and Zero Off are the two brands. They are pretty similar. There is a cheap option called PP Cruise $700, but it is not as good as PP Wakeboard Pro which is the gold standard $1300 new. If you are handy you can try ski-it-again.com. People sell the components and you can install yourself for about $6-700.
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Join Date: Jun 2008
04-02-2009, 6:58 PM
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Nice looking boat I have an 86 saltare. Check out my thread on how I installed 2k lbs internal ballast.
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Join Date: Jan 2008
04-06-2009, 9:10 AM
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Hey Jason very nice that thread gave me a lot of ideas. I have another question for you guys what is the material they use on the newer boats seat bottoms it looks like some kind of plastic fiber board what is that called and where can I get some?
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Join Date: Jan 2008
04-15-2009, 12:41 AM
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Ok one step forward ten back just ended up splitting the boat to replace the floor and and install the built in ballast system check out the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU2kQ-JodfI
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04-15-2009, 3:53 AM
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Alex, are you in Phoenix? That looked like Saguaro in one pic and Roosevelt in another.
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Join Date: Jan 2008
04-15-2009, 8:25 AM
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Yes I am and the is Barttlet in all of them
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Join Date: Jul 2008
04-15-2009, 11:42 AM
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Alex -- Sorry to hear about another Supra with cancer. At this point it's probably worth noting that (in my opinion) all the Supras from the mid 80s have cancer and are rotted to hell. Welcome to the club... plenty of people over at the supra bbs that have tackled this. Looks like you've got a handle on it after that video. In hindsight I wish I had split my cap instead of avoiding that step like the plague.
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Join Date: Jan 2008
04-15-2009, 12:27 PM
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Actually splitting only took me about 1 hr to take out all the screw and drill the rivets out and and about 20 min to rig it up and lift it out of the way. Now that i have it open its not that bad maybe one or two spots that are a bit rotted but the main reason I split it is cuz I can and I wanted to see what under there and make sure its in good shape I want to fiber glass a new deck on it and then I want to use some kind of bedliner material for the whole inside of the boat. We go out about two times a week maybe 3 year round and especially in the winter I know that boat will not be drying out verry well so I want to spend a bit more time and $$ now but know that I have a solid ride that I wont have to worry about getting water in
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Join Date: Jul 2002
04-15-2009, 12:39 PM
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i think you'll prob find the stringers rotted every 3 or 4' where the factory notched them for cross-supports. you've made the right decision though if you're going to keep it. this is an 87 saltare
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Join Date: Jul 2007
04-16-2009, 12:40 PM
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I just bought a 84 Supra Rider. I had the same wake plate on the back of mine. I asked several people about the plate. Most said to lower it as far down as I could. Some said to lift it as far as I could. Tried both neither made the difference I was looking for because the plate doesn't move much at all. One person said to take it off completely. I was going to remove the plate and put the screws back with silicone but somewhere along the way someone used rivets to hold it on. I took a cut off wheel and cut it about 1/2 inch from the transom and the wake is outstanding now. So if it is still there cut it off you will not be disappointed.
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Join Date: Apr 2009
04-25-2009, 1:47 PM
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The you tube video of this project was great-- that Supra is going to be nice when it's all said & done! Let us know if we can help you get that thing ready to go! Jeff Brandon Surfside Marine Service 150 S. Dobson Mesa, AZ 85202 480-969-5006}
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