Subject vs. Substance

(fumanchoo) · (fumanchoo) **Join Date: Mar 2002** 09-02-2005, 5:49 AM

Does the subject ride similar to the substance??/Does it cut up the wake w/out slipping??/

(fox) · (fox) **Join Date: Jul 2002** 09-02-2005, 7:39 AM

Cutting up the wake without slipping is an edge control issue, not a board design issue. I haven't ridden the substance, but I rode a Subjeckt. I thought is was a fun board to ride, but the pop was more than I am used to with my Byerly. It's a bit more of a wild ride.

(melanie) · (melanie) **Join Date: Apr 2001** 09-02-2005, 8:10 AM

Sounds like you might like the Subjekt Jim considering how you like "a bit more of a wild ride".

Seriously though, without those 3 inch fins you use, any board is going to feel slippery.

(fumanchoo) · (fumanchoo) **Join Date: Mar 2002** 09-02-2005, 8:20 AM

Bite me

(thane_dogg) · (thane_dogg) **Join Date: Jun 2002** 09-02-2005, 8:34 AM

Jim - did you think that the substance slipped going up the wake?

(fumanchoo) · (fumanchoo) **Join Date: Mar 2002** 09-02-2005, 9:02 AM

No.It did not.Wanted feedback on it compared to the Subject.Does the Subject hold just as well???

porkchizzle 09-02-2005, 11:04 AM

whats up, i used to ride a substance and just recently bought a subject and i love it. but i rode my substance without center fins. if you dont ride all that often the subject will be difficult to ride. you definately have to hold your edge up the wake. but the pop is unbelievable, unlike anything ive ever rode. i will never go back to a substance, the subject is sick.

(fumanchoo) · (fumanchoo) **Join Date: Mar 2002** 09-02-2005, 11:38 AM

I ride the substance without center fins and have no slip whatsoever.(up the wake that is)

(Message edited by fumanchoo on September 02, 2005)

(thane_dogg) · (thane_dogg) **Join Date: Jun 2002** 09-02-2005, 11:43 AM

The subjekt will hold just as much up the wake as the substance, but once the fins release on the subjekt there's no traction at all, where with the subtsance, if the molded fins release, they still form all the way down into some grooves, and there are grooves on the side of the board, and those still give you some traction.

(wakeriderixi) · (wakeriderixi) **Join Date: Jan 2004** 09-02-2005, 11:45 AM

subjekt rides too low in the water for me... and if I liked 3stage I would have both boards because they both rock.

(wakeriderixi) · (wakeriderixi) **Join Date: Jan 2004** 09-02-2005, 11:46 AM

wait and see what Watson's new board is going to be...

(seedickride) · (seedickride) **Join Date: Jan 2001** 09-02-2005, 8:14 PM

Anytime that you're on edge, the Subjekt really locks in. I don't think you'd have any trouble with it slipping out from under you as long as you have it on edge.

Mike Dick
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