Original SAN

Is anyone else like me wishing CC would bring back the original Super Air Nautique because of it's wake production efficiency?

Its strange how CC had the basis for the best boat in the world and continued to mess with it in the strangest ways (funky seats; funky gauges; funky towers) before finally eliminating it all together.

IMO, if you simply put a sensible interior and a stylish swoop tower on the old SAN hull, you would have the best wakeboard boat in the world today.

Agree? Disagree?

I agree. Best looking boat ever! The wake is amazing. If they put the dash from a 03 on the hull of a 2001 SAN (so you get the cool N in the gel coat) with the flight control 2 tower or skylon swoop classic, I would buy it. The Original SAN is simple, looks awesome and is the best boat ever in my opinion.

Not a big fan of the swoop tower but i would take an 03 SAN ANY day!

i would like them see do something like malibu do with the ride series...
take the old hull and just make it the entry level boat...

That would be cool. I just saw a new X1 all black with white decals, tinted black windows last night. It looked sick! Nautique should bring it the original 210 back the same way MC makes the X-1.

Yea: I agree with GD. IMO the orignal 02 and 03 SAN's are the best wake machine out there. I like the 02 because of the FORD GT40, but the 03 had the fiberglass swim deck and the analog gauges with the last year for a colord deck so it's a toss up. Harrold's 02 all blue SAN and Sam's all black 03 SAN are Bad A$$. And Yes the orignal FCT flight control tower works awesome. I fold my tower each and every night when I put my boat away (by myself) so Im so glad my boat has this tower best tower Nautique has made IMO. You ask why did they change??? People saying Nautiques were out dated and they needed to change. IMO it was only a few years ago let's say 4
when every other boat maker was comming out with a new bigger longer pickel fork model and everyone was saying Nautique need's to update and come out with some new boats Bla Bla Bla. Shortley there after you saw the New Nautique 211 and Nautiques other Bayliner models. IMO if it aint broke don't fix it. The wet surface on the SAN is/was awesome. Yes the orignal interior needed more room the boat's interior didn't make great use of all the avalable space.Stock wireing was a JOKE. But the boat was solid as hell and made a great wake with stock balast. I still think they are one of the greatest wake boat's out there the orignal SAN. Yea the new boat's have way more room and all the fancy do hickys, But with longer and wider beams all the wake boats became harder to drive and cost more to do the same thing throw a great wake. The trend seemd bigger longer more room. I wonder how many people that sold their orignal SAN's for a new bigger more current gas sucking boats boat are kicking them self's as they drive around in a huge boat with 1 or 2 people

As wakes go they are awesome. Not to wide, steep with a lot of pop and it didn't take much weight to get it there. But G is right they waist space on the interior by not wrapping the seats all the way around so it cost seating and storage. Also about the wiring he's dead on they often use to small of gauge wires in some pretty damn important spots. Another thing that bugs me is how the whole seat comes up when you access the port side storage. At the end of the day it's an awesome boat, wake and reliability.

Hate, I loved that feature on my SAN. The seat coming up... so that is personal.

And if they brought the boat back, couldn't all those issues be addressed?

Yep, I love my 01 SAN. I like the fact that there is no wrap around because it is a perfect spot to keep a cooler out of the way. After I install a custom ballast system in it this winter, I dont see myself getting anything else, except maybe an Epic, as im all about the wake!

I say this with all sincerity, hope they never bring it back.....or at least until I decide I don't want mine anymore......

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By GD (greatdane) on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 3:15 pm:

IMO, if you simply put a sensible interior and a stylish swoop tower on the old SAN hull, you would have the best wakeboard boat in the world today.

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i agree, but would also add that instead of 900lbs of stock ballast, make it 2500lbs. THAT would make it the best wakeboard boat in the world.

The best thing about the SAN is the fact that you can get that awesome wake and still have fuel economy. I could go twice as long on one tank of gas, which was smaller by the way, than I can go with my VLX..

EJ, awesome looking boat! I am always amazed as to why they mess with the best until it's not as good. Sometimes staying ahead of the game sacrifices effeciency. Too many gadgets, too much digital crap, too many gauges. I always wonder why they need a gauge to tell you ballast is full? When mine started spitting water out the side, she's full!!!

Yah,
And my gauges are half way correct at best! They work every once in a while.

I know I'm still loving my 03'...

gramps-

That boat is so sick, if I were you I would never get rid of the boat!!

This is how they should bring them back....an 03 with a Titan II tower with 3K of ballast. No one ever complained about my wake


you can not beat the wake to fuel ratio even with ballast!

agree these boats are simply sick.

They sure don't make 'em like that anymore.

95 Supersport is still a better wake than anything i've been on besides an epic.

AMAZING!

It has been and always will be THE GREATEST WAKEBOARD BOAT EVER

Ballast to Wake ratio is amazing.

I love the SANTE

i always thought they should take the boat and make it bigger evenly all around untill its a 23 ft.. more ballest and bigger engine and that would be the @#$^

i disagree mike. with just a little weight in the san you have a great wake like nick said the ballast to wake ratio on these boats is awesome. a larger boat would need more ballast and a bigger engine and suck more gas. i think more boats(wakes) would be better if the boats were shorter with smaller beam widths

I agree with alan, that hull is perfect. Make it close bow push the windscreen forward and shorten up the sun deck little to open up the cabin, full wrap interior with twin 1000 pound tanks either side. Job done. Perfect

Negative on the close bow. I realize that would open up the cabin some but I like the idea of having it open. Just my opinion though. Love that boat. You guys should do a 210 only pride thread.

Open Bow is a must in my opinion.

Long live the 210! Nothing better than stock weight and a super rampy wake!

2005 210.. Really nice boat, except for the lack of storage.

I agree with everyone. I definately think the 210 is a great boat and produces a great wake. Im also right there wit E.J. I hope they decide to make it again after I have lost the love of mine. I have the 04 so it has that funky tower but I can live with it. Its pretty amazing to me how these boats are still getting the looks at the lake. I always get the nice looking compliment from people.

For me, this was the answer. After my '03 SANTE

LENGTH 21'5"
WIDTH 96"
SEATING 12 People
BALLAST 1,800 lbs.
WEIGHT 3,400 lbs.
PROP 13.5 x 16 4-blade Acme
BASE ENGINE PCM Excalibur 343 HP V8
FUEL CAPACITY 45 U.S. gallons

MSRP $49,345

(Message edited by alans on September 17, 2008)

Alan,
We all know how much you like that other company...Don't you sell them?..nuff said, this is not a boat war thread!

Don't sell them, nor am I starting a boat war. I wish they would bring back the old hull also.

These quotes just reminded me of the little MB..

" IMO, if you simply put a sensible interior and a stylish swoop tower on the old SAN hull, you would have the best wakeboard boat in the world today."



"i agree, but would also add that instead of 900lbs of stock ballast, make it 2500lbs. THAT would make it the best wakeboard boat in the world."

(Message edited by alans on September 17, 2008)

i disagree with the closed bow too. ive had way too much fun up there!! actually i think the open bow offers alot of seating i commonly have two or three people in the front, if it was closed and the interior redesigned could an additional 3 people sit in the back?? I dunno? also would the weight be distributed to far back?

i only say a bigger boat becuase we have sacked out a 210 to the max and its a huge wake but wouldnt it be nicer even bigger... now that is the question.. and besides the boat moves so much with a rider behind it.

It says something about a company when 2 of their best wakes ever 210 and 2001 were neither made to be wake boats. They spend $$$$ to create wake boats and they dont stack up against their accidents.

I heard someone who was from CC in orlando telling a customer that "Correct Craft had to be progressive or they would get left behind again."

Ya, CC management is just nuts in my opinion.

They were the best by accident and the worst by intention.

All those funky changes leading up to the worst of all -- the elimination of the original SAN -- the best wake platform the world has ever seen is tossed aside.

the maloons(s.p.) are out of CC now....maybe things will change, for the better...

They left and are running a MC dealer now, how about that

What it all comes down to is that CC wants to make $$$$ and selling a small boat with little storage and a sick wake does not sell to the kind of people who can afford wakeboats. The people who they are marketing will care much more about gadgets, bling, comfort, and looking cool.

Hopefully Epic will make a 20 or 21 footer that will do what the old SAN did.

Jon, I would agree with you when gas was $2 per gallon. At $4 to $5 per gallon, its all going to change.

BTW, the old 21' SAN is a huge boat. It could easily have lots of storage if they had half a brain.

Hey how about this instead of complaining about how they should re-make the orignal 210. Why dosen't someone buy up all the used 210's and re-fresh them and do all the up grades everyone is talking about and re sell them. WOW you could make Million's
I bet if Nautique came out with a new version of the orignal 210 everyone would look at it and say "Its to small" and "No Storage" what was Nautique thinking. Look at GM They thought big Truck's and SUV's were the way to go. As soon as the gas price's started going up everyone is pointing fingers at GM saying how stupid they were for investing or building what everyone was/is asking for. I think the same is true here. The saying if you build it they will come does not apply here IMO. Im guessing there's a bunch of SAN owners looking to trade in there Orignal 210's for newer bigger boat's. Hurry go swoop them up.

The bottom line is you can't go wrong with a Nautique. New or old!!!

if you can sell a boat for $80K why sell one for $40K

The people making money for these companies are the "family man" guys.

If an average joe went to a boat show without any prior knowledge of wakeboard boats etc. what catches there eye? (besides the giant seadoo boat)


Not the SAN 210

(PS I love my nautique)

Hey CC, here's a hint:

COLORED DECKS!!!

How about you have no clue Nick, that's not even close bro, you are waaaay off.
As far as the Meloon's running an MC dealer that's just funny, wrong again!!

I'm pretty sure thats how things went down

Billy get on here and set the record straight

"Bill Doggen is now the majority share holder of Correct Craft after buying several shares of the company from one of the Meloons about six months ago. He and Walt Meloon (owner of SECC) do not get a long very well. About a week and a half ago, Correct Craft Corp. sent SECC a letter informing them that they are no longer a Correct Craft Dealer. They have about 60+ boats that they are making deals on now. For those of us that live in Orlando have have a Correct Craft, the only "authorized dealer" is now in Lake Wales and is about 50+plus miles away. "

"There is surfacing information that there's a new majority owner of Correct Craft and that it is no longer the world's oldest family owned boat manufacturer. Apparently it was a very surprised sell out that occurred about 3-4 weeks ago, especially to Walt Meloon who was 49% owner. The other 51% were other family that sold out.
"

Nick I know everything going on with CC, I am a CC dealer.
There is a big difference between selling off the Majority of CC and selling out and being out of CC.
The Meloon's still own a very large percentage of CC, so they are not out of CC.
Yes SECC will no longer be the Nautique dealer, there is a new Nautique dealer opening up at OWC, But the Meloon's are not opening a Mastercraft Dealership.

(Message edited by innov8 on September 17, 2008)

Sorry for the hijack continue with the Original San thread.

You know how you see all of those older model Porche's and they still look relevant and badass??

Yeah, that's what those years of SAN's are like to me. they just look right and somehow that industrial looking bent metal tower was spot on, and it's stiff too.

I think i have it. after an extensive (30sec.) in microsoft paint, i have the perfect wake boat. Original SANTE hull, closed bow, wraparound seating for 18, 23' long. Presto!

I want a boat optimized for 4 to 6 people and 8 in a pinch. I have zero interest in any boat bigger than 21' ever.

GD,

you no-a lik-ey my boat? whatsa matta witch-a ma boat? iza da color not whata youz a like?

btw, AG, i love your boat man. I have never seen grey look so good, and the chrome Titan is a beauty!

Right on the money Flux...

Brandon, thats a sweet SAN.

I dig the 2006. What prop rotation do you have? I understand they made a change mid year. How is the surf wake on the passenger side?

I think I am going to copy the old SAN hull and sell it for 30,000. I'm even going to bring back the GT-40. I could make millions!!

Not really, but I could care less if they bring it back. I already own one!

I'm with you Walt!

There are some great examples of SANTE's on this thread. The GT-40 was a great towboat engine. Makes great power and was very efficient when paired up with that hull.

Thanks GD. It is a great boat.

I have the LH rotation. I've only surfed a few times on the starboard side and it was pretty good. I don't know about the passenger side.

You're welcome...

Aki...it will always be known as the $50k pull in our house!

Thanks!

(Message edited by bp22 on September 17, 2008)

"I want a boat optimized for 4 to 6 people and 8 in a pinch. I have zero interest in any boat bigger than 21' ever."

Absolutely, positively could not agree more! 210 is the magic number.

I've been on AG's 210 and I challenge anyone to find a more fun wake. It was hard to do my regular tricks because my smile kept getting in the way!!! AG, I was Tammy's friend who you thought was on drugs because I was so happy! Thanks again for the opportunity to ride the best wake out there!

My buddy has one and he doesnt even realize how dope it is! we had that thing LEANIN the other day for surfing, water was coming over the sun deck it was crazy, we had like 3 200+ pounders hanging off the tower like monkeys the wake was MASSIVE!! when i am old enough to buy my own boat I will defiently look into these and theyll be like 15 yrs old but who cares they're sickkk!

Bevan...your old SAN is still my favorite color combo.

Bevan's SANTE is an absolute beauty. I am pretty fond of ours as well:

Flux, love the color combo, I don't think I've ever seen that before.

the 210 is a great boat, I loving the '03 that I just picked up in June.
It still amazes me how little gas it goes through compared to other wake boats

The SAN is a great boat if it wasn't so freakin' small. Spending a day in that boat with a bunch of people sucks. Yes, I know it's all about the wake but I would rather get a nice wake and have room to sit down.

There is a reason for the fact that most every picture I see of an idle SAN the people are sitting on the gunnels and not in the seats.

Anyone have a pic of the interior layout?

When was the first year the SAN was made in a a V-Drive? What is the cheapest these boats are going for? Early years, that is.

Here...found it in the boat reviews section.

Here is my buddie David's 02 SANTE, best stock wake on UT Lake. 210 Pride!

Here is our 95' 210
Same hull as the SANTE just before it was the SANTE... same wake too:

It was 18k with 250 hours
then tower + ballast + stereo = ~21k total

The wake is with 1500lbs of water and 2 people in the boat....can't beat that

I am thinking about getting a newer SAN to replace my 2000 VLX.

I was always wanting to replace my VLX with the SAN if only CC would give me enough reason. Now, since the SAN is no longer, I guess I have a reason.

Have you looked at the V215's GD? IMO they combine whats good about the pre 05 VLX & the pre 07 210

The Sanger V215? Does it build a wake as easily as the 210? I know the Sanger 210 builds a nice wake but I know little about the 215.

I have ridden behind a V215 a few times. Its a really nice boat. I agree that its definitely a combination of the vlx and san. It takes a little more weight to get a big wake but also has more interior space as the trade off.

Correct Craft -I know you see this thread please dont ignore it another year. We as dealers can only ask a billion times. we we make it simple for you. options; perfect pass,tripple ballast(wedge tanks),FCT,03 dash,keyless ignition, $39,995. This is the year for a price point boat. Focus on the recreation of the 210 and then deal with your cross over boats.

Not going to happen.

GD, what about the dreaded clamshell?