Best boat for 40-50k, used or new?

I'm thinking of getting a boat in the spring. Just wanted to get opinions... Thanks.

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Sanger all the way!

My vote in that price category is to go new with a Tige Z1. At least if you buy new, you get all new warranties. As far as the overall look and room, this boat is bad a**. I have an Tige RZ2 and love it and definately recommend a Tige all the way. I know that on other posts they said you could get it for around $45,000 and its 21 foot!!

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Thanks Bryan, that looks great. But I can't make any decisions for at least a few months - I'm just trying to get a feel for the best options to research further.

Edit: I'd like a 23' length if possible to hold more people. I was looking at the 2008-09 Moomba XLV.

Do a search on Boattrader.com and you will find if you spend just a little more, you can get a Mastercraft X-15 for 53K that is 2007 model that is brand new, unused. It holds 14 people according to the sticker. It is pretty roomy and handles the double ups much better than most boats.

They are in Northern California.

I just sold a great Tige 2005 24V in that price range.

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Sanger all the way!

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Great boat and wake. I saw a 05 215 on craigslist today for 30k and it only had 12 hours on it.

If you want a performance boat at a great price and not really interested in hauling a ton of people, check out the all new 2009 Moomba Outback V.

It's now only 19' 11" in length (meeting some lake size restrictions and insurance discounts for boats under 20'), the hull is slightly deeper than the Mobius LSV and beam is only an inch narrower.

New Gravity 3 ballast is rumoured to fill and empty in 4 minutes.

Very nicely equipped for about $45K

If you check out the "Moomba Pride" thread below, there is a photo of my 2009 OBV being lake tested before going thru final detailing and QC.

On the Moomba forums, there is a thread showing daily progress photos of the boat being built.

Skiers Choice puts a lot of pride into building their boats and wanted to show the world what's under the skin of a finished product.

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You can find a few great new boats in that price range, and a ton of used, but what do you want out of a boat? What do you like to do on the water, how will the boat be used, what kind of lakes will you be boating on, will you be trailering, if so, how much boat can you safely tow.

Just a few questions for you to think about.

that z1 is an awesome boat! brand new, looks sweet plus the warranty, all that for $45. maybe i should have a closer look

Im with Ed on this one. We got a brand new Moomba Outback and it is great. All we do is wakeboard so we put to Fat Sac Side Sacks plus the stock ballast and we have a decent wake that will launch you so you can do whatever you want. Plus it runs great. We got all that for under 35k. It was such a good deal. I definatly recomend Moomba for you.

Too bad you're not looking to buy now George, these guys are giving these Tige 22Ve's away! www.boattrader.com/find/listing/2007-Tige-22Ve-New-93042587

Another vote for Moomba you can get more boat for the money. I love mine.

George, you might look into the new 226 pickle fork Supreme boat. They will be coming out soon, good price point, all the options, 23', great surf wake if you surf too.

Sanger V215, but I'm biased.

Keith Lyman and Gerry Nunn's old Malibu 23 LSV is for sale in that price range in the classified section. Judging from all the videos that is has been it, I think it would throw a decent wake.

Shawn,

Do you think that the Supreme 226 will be under 50K?

The Sangers listed on boattrader online are in the 40's for the most part.

Sanger all the way in that range and brand new tough to beat. Killer surf and wakeboard wake. Bryan's ride is tight too if you are ok with 150 plus hours. Peep the thread I've got on the 09's

TallTige- I think the 226 loaded will be 55-56k, so I'm hearing!

You know you have kids when you're sitting on WW on Saturday at 9...of course I've already had 4 margaritas and on to more. I've got a big day planned tomorrow though Bed, Bath and beyond maybe home Depot I don't know it just depends on how much time we have. Actually I'm off to the Seahawks game and we start early!

Hate- I'm right there with bro, 11pm sitting on WW, kids just went to sleep. Was wondering why nobody was posting. Oh yeah its Sat. night!

I'm on number 6 amd 1 cigar better start thinking of shutting it down...hmm, of course i have the Bud Light chelada's ready to go in the morning.

George, I vote for the Moomba XLV as well. Incredible boat for the price! 23', huge wake, tons of storage and a great boat to hold all your friends when you're wakeboarding or just hanging out on the water for the entire day. Very very comfortable! I own a 2004, the first year of the XLV, so take it from an owner for the past 5 summers I still love like the day I bought it. And if you are into aftermarket stereo systems, I did a sizeable system in my XLV so I can give you some great ideas. The XLV lends to a great opportunity for a large install without losing too much storage. I have detailed pics of my entire install if you would like.

My vote goes to the Tige Z1 - for the price nothing else compares!

A used MasterCraft is better that any new boat out there but if you can buy a new one that's even better

I picked up a new 07 Supra 21V with most options for $45k last month. Next spring I would imagine there will be a bunch of 08's dealers will want to get rid of.

I always think 1-2 yr old used with good papers. Enzo, and I really like Sanger but none around me. That Tige looked sweet till you said 23ft. I love the XLV, but not keen on the carpet. Are we talking boarding or surfing too? Enzo only if we are talking surfing too

Hate'n: got out on the boat, maybe for the last time this season, kids were crazy and not in a good way. Havin a few brews and enjoying the pain from maybe the last run of the season on my boat.

Too many choices come to think of it. A 23 bu used is sweet. Enzo not so great if just boarding. I have an Avalanche which is good for both, but only 22ft.

Tige makes 2 22ft models - the 22Ve rated for 14 people, and the RZ2 rated for 15. And 2 24' models - the 24ve rated for 16, and the RZ4 rated for 17. All the Tiges throw a sweet surf wake, as well as a killer wakeboard wake all with unmatched ride and comfort. There are a lot of great used Tige 22's and 24's out there and with a lot of options and upgrades, you can put together the new boat that you want.

moomba lsv if going new. and 05 or newer xstar if going used. personally, i would try to find a good used xstar. rumor is it will be redesigned soon, maybe even for 2010. if so then the 05, 06 models should really drop. the reason for 05 or newer is that you get throttle by wire and swivel board racks standard. good luck and let us know what you find.

I'm mostly interested in wakeboarding, but I'd love to try surfing as well (never done that).

The only "real" wakeboard boat I've ever ridden behind is a 21-22' Tige, probably a 2000 model.

George,
The best thing you could do IMHO is start going out on other people's boats and try to ride in/behind all the ones that interest you.


Pay attention to how the boat handles, how it takes chop, how is the wake (washed out on one side,to steep, to wide etc.)You might even find a owner that will let you drive the boat. Doing Demo's is the next best thing but you will notice more if you out all day riding.


Good luck !

George, I'm glad to hear you've already experienced the best!

The surf wake behind a 22Ve is awesome!
Check this one out:

This winter there will be deals to be had at dealers. Coming out of a slow season, into an even slower season; there should be fat deals.

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Jarrod,

Here is my argument: I think prices will not fall below what they are now. The supply of boats will be reduced. There is no way there will be as many 08 or 09 boats manufactured as there were 07's. The Nor Cal MC dealer is choking on brand new 07 boats. 1 year from now there is no way they will be choking on 08 boats. If they do order too many 08's, they will be out of business very quickly.

I have proposed this theory in other threads. Few people see it my way. But I think the bottom is here and it will not get better for us as boat buyers as that the supply and demand has rebalanced itself for 08 and for sure for 09.

That XLV is a nice boat. There are lots of choices out there right now. $42,900 for a new 07 Tige 22Ve is dirt cheap. Maybe it's a bit smaller than the XLV, but a hell of a boat, especially for that kinda price. Talltigeguy, I totally agree with you. I think the deals are on leftover 07 boats. At some point 07 and 08 inventory will be gone. For 09 dealers are going to have to go back to making a profit on their 09 boats if they want to keep their doors open. They have all taken a financial beating for too long.

There will still be an oversupply of used boats in the market and those will continue to keep pressure on new boat prices even if manufacturers have cut back on production. That's how I see it.

I have a new 07 Air Worrior for 38,800.00 balast heater, mirrior arm cockpit and tonneau cover

Eagle jackson,

You are right, but it is interesting to me that I see many used 2007 boats advertised at the same price as leftover 07's that are new. I look at it this way: the people who are sucking wind are those who did not put much down and have to get what they owe out of the boat. They cannot go down further and pay someone to take the boat away. If they could sell it for less than they owe, they wouldn't have to sell it in the first place because they have extra cash. Does that make sense?

I wonder where the foreclosures go, THAT would be where the big savings would have to be. I don't see any dealers picking them up at the auctions unless they are very very cheap. Anyone got a ticket to the boat repo auctions?

I understand what you're saying. What people are advertising their used boats for now may be very different from what they are actually selling for, if they do sell. I've heard plenty of stories, "friends of friends" stuff, about recent model year used boats (2006-2008) going for extremely low prices from desperate sellers. Of course who knows how reliable those stories are... I think it will take a couple of years for the oversupply of recent model year used boats and the reduced production of new boats to work their way through the market. Manufacturers have too much capacity. CC, for example, has an expensive new factory (which caused the Meloons to have to sell their majority share to an investor) and way more capacity than they need. I think I read they have capacity to build 4000 boats a year whereas this year will be a bit over 2000 built. The small dealers that kept their inventory low will be able to weather the storm. The big dealers, as we're seeing, are collapsing. If you can afford it -- and in the past few years far too many people couldn't but still bought -- now is a great time to buy a boat and I think it will last for at least the next year until the supply of boats and dealers contracts enough.

I'd just go buy a Cobalt 250 instead.

I just bought a 2007 Moomba XLV GG in September and I am very impressed. It's not perfect but I haven't found a boat that has every good idea and feature I wanted - but for the money the XLV is the best. I wanted a true 23' boat as I had already owned 21-22' and it wasn't long before I wanted to upgrade to a 23'. If I was you I would skip the 21-22' boats and go for the XLV or another 23' if you find one in your price range. The 2007 and up XLV's are a wicked deal and throw a wicked wake for boarding or surfing. Of course for surfing you will have to add additional fat sac no matter the boat.
Cory

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35k with all gear and stereo system

We have a killer '07 21i tige for sale. $39,900. For more information and pics go to:
http://www.tigeowners.com/forum/show...+21i+tige+sale

If interested call Corey at 406-439-6920. Thanks.

I bought a 2006 220 SANTE last summer within your price range. The boat is loaded, only 68 hours, and came with the trailer. I'd highly recommend looking at a one or two year previously owned nautique or mastercraft. I almost bought an ENZO, which is a sweet boat, but I preferred the 220's interior to the ENZO. Definitely look on boattraderoline.com, contact a marine mechanic to do a work-up on the boat, and negotiate a great deal in your favor. The economy is in the tank, you have a lot of buying power now, especially with a slightly used boat seller whom may have stretched to purchase a boat.

40-50K...you could find a nice Malibu VLX to fit right in between your budget. I think that would be your best bet, and the best bang for your buck.

Not sure where you are located... but I know waterskiboatsdallas.com has a few used Supra 24SSV boats on the lot, I think they are in your price range as well. I cannot say enough about the 24SSV, there is a ton of room and a bad ass wake right out of the box. I went from the Moomba in 07 to the Supra in 08, should have gotten the Supra to begin with though. If you are looking for a boat over 23 feet, you can easily find one that is 3 years old in your price range.

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if u live in norcal u can pick a new mastercraft x-2 for 51k!

^^^^ Ya if you like being cramped with 6 people. That boat is tiny inside.

Nu, what boat are you talking about? I know you can't be talking about the X2. If you are compared to what?

2008 Tige` RZ4 for $40K!!! Loaded, 400HP, tower w/speakers, ballast, matching trailer and more.

I'll throw VTX out there.

We have a 2006 SAN 220 in that price range. Also, look at the 2007-09 211

You're on the money with the Mobius XLV. The wake is monstrous and the interior is huge. By far the biggest wake for the buck out there.

Im a big fan of the Indmar 340 CAT in the XLV

Don't wait for spring NOW is the best time to buy!!!!

YOU CANT GO WRONG WITH A SANGER V210 OR V215

Goboating,I don't know what you mean by 08 rz4 for 40 but if that be the case I will come pick it up tommorow.

^^^ More info here Brock http://www.tigeowners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8419

Thanks Mike

sent an email Brock. Boat is still for sale for now. I expect it to be sold in the next few days or by the weekend.

I'm in the same "boat" (sorry).

I'm looking to spend possibly up to that same range, and want a 23' boat that is good for both wakeboarding and wakesurfing. It sounds like the prices are better now than in the spring(?), but I'd really like to be able to test a boat (multiple boats) before buying.

I live in Northern VA, so it's a bit cold to do any testing right now I think (at least for wakeboarding).

I'd consider buying from a distant state where there was an exceptionally good deal, but I'd probably want to fly out to personally inspect it first.

I've been reading about the Moomba XLV, but one thing I don't like about that is its lack of a shower. (But it sounds like boat showers just use the lake/river water anyway? Do they filter it at all?) The water I'll use it on is right off the Potomac, so it would be nice to get a bit cleaned off after riding.

I've also been researching the MB V23 and F23 Tomcat. It sounds like I need at least a 2008 (at least for the Tomcat) to get a good surf wake.

I guess my biggest concern now is when to buy. Is it safe to wait for early spring, or could I end up paying $10k more for the same boat?

Thanks for any suggestions.

A shower is no big deal. Even if they don't offer it you can have one put in aftermarket. Not sure if it is still around but a dealer in California has an 06 247 Malibu with every single option available for 50k. I think you will be fine if you wait till spring. The economy isn't going to get any better by then and there a ton of 07 and 08 new boats for sale.

John,

Showers do use the water from the lake you are in, so it won't really clean you off. The benefit is that it takes the water after it has gone around the engine block so it is warm water, and that is nice if your water is cold.

The future is hard to predict...but I think there will be more buyers in the spring, and as we get used to the fact that the economy is in a recession, sales will pick up, IMHO. The sun still comes up every day, and some of us are going to keep our jobs without as much damage as others, as we get used to that, then people will not be so timid and might make a move to buy. We are all new to this particular recession, so we are in a state of shock, and no one is buying. So I think that the time to buy is now, but I am no economist.

I hope to get a boat purchased this winter, as that I am currently boatless, but keep wondering if deals will get even better. I have heard 'this is my invoice cost' many times in the last few months, and it has been consistent with certain models that I think I know where rock bottom is for some boats. The dealers CANNOT maintain a business by selling boats below their cost. The next step is to go out of business, not get cheaper. Then you need to find where the boats go after that. For now it looks like they ship them to another part of the country and start advertising them at the same 'invoice cost' again. At some point, buyers will buy, or something will break.

I agree, talltigeguy. Advantage of buying now is you get the pick of the crop.

Thanks for the input. I guess I'm not really expecting prices to go down - just worried if they'll go up dramatically by the time I have a chance to test-drive a boat. I'm very nervous about buying without trying first.

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