crow or ole'5

(sidekicknicholas)

What is the "cutoff" of inverted-ness on the two tricks?
Which does this look like
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(wake2blake) · (wake2blake) **Join Date: Jun 2008** 09-23-2008, 7:37 PM

scarecrow

(norcalbordr) · (norcalbordr) **Join Date: Feb 2006** 09-23-2008, 7:57 PM

I'd say scarecrow too

(waterdork88) · (waterdork88) **Join Date: Aug 2005** 09-23-2008, 8:29 PM

its pretty much the same trick. i'm not too much of a hairsplitter. if the ole is on axis its definitely ole. if the ole is off axis i generally call it a scarecrow. but thats just me

(liquidmx) · (liquidmx) **Join Date: Jun 2005** 09-23-2008, 8:36 PM

I wouldnt split hairs either, they should just call both tricks a rodeo 5. However his handle position would dictate his "ole-ness". If his arm is properly located (like a whirly) its definitely in control and an ole. If its behind his head its not in control and a crow.

(dustin140) · (dustin140) **Join Date: Aug 2008** 09-23-2008, 9:02 PM

i'd say scarecrow

(wakeriderixi) · (wakeriderixi) **Join Date: Jan 2004** 09-23-2008, 9:27 PM

Too me, Lyman and Watson do ole spins where the arm really loops around their heads. Where as Tino and a LOT of other riders doing mobes where the spin is a lot more like a whirly where the body and arm rotate around the line. Thats where I find a difference.
Yours looks more like a mobe to me, at least compared to other riders. The fact that Lyman and Watson loop their arms around their heads with the board under their heads but still off axis is what sets them apart in my mind. Love 'em.

(tom_paz) · (tom_paz) **Join Date: Jan 2003** 09-23-2008, 11:04 PM

the cut off is whether the board goes clearly over your head or not. Even in the ole5 is off axis, if the board doesnt rise past head level its still ole. This pic the board is over head level making it a legit crow.

(stephan) · (stephan) **Join Date: Nov 2002** 09-23-2008, 11:29 PM

I tend to agree with Paul's perspective. It's almost more about what you do with your hands than where the board is. Lyman & Watson go into a regular out the back 5 and then whirly style loop the rope around there head.

Here's a video that has Daniel Doud doing em proper.
http://www.grindtv.com/video/wake/Tiki_Shack_Part_III__The_Doud/?athlete=1941

(jsweat) · (jsweat) **Join Date: Apr 2007** 09-24-2008, 6:25 AM

yea watson, lyman, benny g and doud do them proper. on an ole the board can't go over your head.

(luke_j) · (luke_j) **Join Date: Jul 2008** 09-24-2008, 7:12 AM

I'd say it has to do with the handle movement. Also, grabbing it mute right off the wake makes it look more like an ole'. I'd call yours a crole'

(jsuds) · (jsuds) **Join Date: Sep 2008** 09-24-2008, 7:23 AM

But for an ole i think you really need to sell the rope going over your head to make it look legit, like watson or lyman

(hyule) · (hyule) **Join Date: Nov 2006** 09-24-2008, 7:57 AM

Yeah, this is confusing. Any pro tour judges willing to comment on this. How do they decide what trick they just saw?

(focker) · (focker) **Join Date: Aug 2006** 09-24-2008, 8:55 AM

That is a scarecrow - would not even cross my mind as possibly being an ole 5.

(andy_nintzel)

I agree with Paul on this one!

I think for it to be an Ole you have to flip to rope over your head more.

I would say you pic is a Scarecrow Boot Grab!

Here are a couple of shots of Colin Ryan he has a MONEY Ole Spin.

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(jarrod) · (jarrod) **Join Date: May 2003** 09-24-2008, 9:25 AM

"Too me, Lyman and Watson do ole spins where the arm really loops around their heads. "

All about the handle. Swooped over the head like a whirly = ole.

Holding the handle in the same position = out the back crow