MCX45 vs. BU247

New to Wakeworld, old-timer on epicmarine.com, so obviously an Epic owner.
Looking at the MCX45 and the BU247 and trying to figure out which would be better for me. I am mainly interested in overall boat quality, but the ability to control wake size and shape is also key, as I pull a variety of riders, from my kids, who are beginners, to the most advanced-big hearted-little skill riders there are. Spent a lot of time in both boats at the Denver boat show this past weekend and am demo-ing them both this week. Anything in particular I should check/try/look for during the demo?
any feedback is welcome...tks

If the ability to control wake size and shape is Key then I would go with the Bu. Get the power wedge and you can adjust the shape and size on the fly.

Try it out at your dealer or come on down to Texas....WSA has its Demo 247 coming in a few months. Also, take a look at the new rack for on top the illusion tower. It holds everything and the kitchen sink. I would skip the carbon blade tower.

FESTIVUS,
A good question ot ask about the Malibu
IS WHY can you only get the 8.1 Litre motor in that boat. Don't let them tell you it is engineered for that motor...nothing else will push that hull though the water. The 6.0 litre CRUSADER or Cadillac LQ-9 will push the X-45 hust fine. Ask BOTH dealers. FIT QUALITY and finish....MASTERCRAFT all the way. You can ALSO ask the BU Dealer "Why no hydrodampening box in your V-DRIVE?

Actually, the standard engine is the Hammerhead 383, not the 8.1 The X45 at the show had the 8.1 as well.
They keep telling me I will surprised at how the 247 handles, more like a 21 ft V-drive.
The truth is in the test drive, but I will ask about the hydrodampening box. What does it do? Are the new top-racks for the 247 available as a factory upgrade, or is it an aftermarket acces. I agree on the skippage on the CFT tower, the Illusion is fine, and it collapses unbelievably easily.
I like the front storage on the X45, which I would loose entirely with the bow ballast option on the 247. Does the wake tab/plate thing on the x45 do much? It didn't seem large enough to offer a lot. What is it's purpose?

The wake plate is like a trim tab that doesn't make the wake bigger just complete adjustment on how the wake is shaped.

TJK - It sounds like you already know the answer to your question - can you share that with us? Is the 247 too loud?

it did look like the X45 had some good insulation going on around the engine box area. The 247 has a sweet storage area over the engine. It is shallow, but could store gloves, ropes, etc. there for quick and easy get-too-ness.

the fact of the matter is tjk thinks a honda motorcycle engine would push the x45 just fine because mc is the greatest boat mfg ever and nothing will ever rival it. all he does is makes mastercraft owners look bad by his ignorant statements.

that being said, te x45 has some incredible features, the aforementioned bow storage, the ability to run a smaller engine (although i would never recommend it), and the bow area is huge.

the 247 is a BIG boat, i've sat in an x-45 and the 247's cockpit is much larger. mostly because mc moves the helm and windsheild line way back on it's super-fly models. and more than you would believe, no one wants to sit in the bow. i'd go bu because of the larger std engine, and i would really want either boat to have the 8.1. the std ballast and powerwedge make AN UNREAL WAKE behind te 247. huge, lippy, and clean to like 90' or something ridiculous like that at 23mph.

Hows the bow in the 247? I read that they pushed the helm forward to make the cockpit larger. Kids usually love the bow. Both are really nice boats. It would be a tough call. Just remember, better to have to much power than not enough.

I agree a lot with the who wants to sit in the bow remark. My kids love it, but they can squish in. The c*ckpit area in the 247 is amazing. The X45 is closer to what I have now with my S22. Also I thought the transom storage access was narrow and the storage area there was shallow. I didn't care for the contoured camaro-gay look on the sides of the rear deck. I guess they are for air flow to the storage area, but...looks gay.
What about the snap out carpet on the X45? The MC dealer told me Malibu puts carpet up the sides to hide flaws and imperfections and that it is plastic under there.

I'd say the MC dealer is full of Sh&t. I love MCs, but that comment alone would sent me across the street.

Typical sales crap. Either would be great boats. I have snap out carpet in my boat and love it, makes clean up easy.

I'd love a 247. Nothing against the X45, but I love that boat

no one wants to sit in the bow.

The bow will stay empty on the old style boats--I know on my old ones they were always empty. However the X-Star never seems to have an empty bow. Normally the bow has two to four women watching the riding and catching some sun.

As for carpeting--it sure is nice to be able to remove all the carpeting and clean the boat spotless. With my older boats the carpet would get to be nasty--even using professional carpet cleaners it was impossible to get the dirt out of the carpet.

Want to see how nasty a non-snap out carpet gets? Find a boat with 200 hours on it--get the carpet sopping wet (simulate being caught in a downpour). Put on some white socks and walk around or slap the wet carpet a few times while holding a piece a paper a few inches above the carpet. The dirt gets caught between the flooring and carpet--if anyone knows how to clean it out--would be great to learn.

Both are great boats. Which ever one you get--buy the large engine! Not only will it make your boat run better, but will help the resale value should you ever sell it.

Yeah, the 8.1 isn't really an option on either. I love the swivel racks on the X45. I'll have to look into the top racks for the Illusion X, but that would be tricky with a bimini. I also love the fat arse captians chair on the X45. I felt like I could see really well over the bow, whereas the 247 I needed the flip-up flipped to see well.
Also, speaking of re-sale, which holds a better book value?

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They will more than likly be about the same. MCs really hold value well, but Bu's are built just as well and since this is a new line, I bet it will as well.

festivus, this thread was started recently:

http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/275156.html?1138028066

i've never spent any time in or behind an x-45 (although i'm sure it's a fantastic boat), but the 247 has to have the best stock wakeboarding wake i've ever seen. and that boarding picture is without the optional bow ballast. i don't surf (yet), so i don't know what qualifies as a good wave, but i'd imagine the surf wakes posted are primo. as far as resale and book value, everyone is going to say mc and i'm sure they're right, but, in all honesty, the difference is neglible. in my experience boat shopping, almost all normally used wake boats depreciate at around $2000-$3000 a year, regardless of the name on the side. with the current trend and the growing popularity of wakeboarding, as long as you take care of your boat, you won't be disappointed should you decide to sell it later.

thanks TJK, you taught me something new today. most posters grow out of their need to bash other's possessions (boats) in their 20's, but you've shown me even 40 year olds can engage in irrelevant crap like that. i've said it before, i'll say it again: people who bash other boats the most aren't trying to convince you that their boat is a smart purchase, they're trying to convince themselves

HDS or hydrophonic Damping System. In between the mufflers only on DD's the is a black box area that fills w/ water to help reduce the vibration on the hull.

Jeff, thanks for the input. I would love to actually board behind both of these boats this week, but the water here in Denver is probably barely about freezing. I think I will take a pic of the X45 just to file away, but I am very impressed with the 247 pictures. That surf wake is the shizzle. Do you think the bow ballast is a worthwhile upgrade, or does it just take up space?

Get a pic of the 45s wake with ballast. I have yet to see it. As far as the water temp, suck it up!

i know with the vlx and lsv, everyone i have ever talked to has said the bow ballast is a must, so i'm assuming it would be a good idea on the 247 as well--considering it is on the same hull and is such a massive boat. someone correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe that, without bow ballast, there is a walkway in the bow when you lift the middle cushion. with bow ballast, you have to "slide" up into the bow as the cushions are stacked on top of the bow tank

that is correct, Moomba used to call it the "playpen" bow, which could have multiple meanings, I like to think of it as the babe tank. (babe as in baby, I have 6 kids)
The bow ballast isn't a terribly expensive option, like $450 or so. I'd do it.

That sexy SOB in the 247 is me. I helped on the review and shot pics.
The engine and tranny is sooooo smooth with the new TBW

Here are some more.....here is a wake pic stock without the 4th tank.

how does that stock sound system do? I don't care much for the Sony stuff. The X45 comes with JL, which I think most would regard as higher-end.

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Yeah, ditch the sony stock equip. The dealer here buys the boats w/o any sound equipment and has them installed after the boat is bought.

the yellow boat here is a demo boat. Over all it sounds good.....compared to some NVS speakers and JL subs, it pails in comparison. i would elect to install your own system.

what about the optional MB Quart tower speakers you can get on the 247?
Oh, and when I said I was an Epic owner, that is Toyota Epic, not EPic wake boat.
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(Message edited by festivus on January 23, 2006)

Yeah those rock too....just get a am to drive them properly. I would think that the MB quarts are dealer added equipment and not from the factory. Sony and kicker is malibu's choice.

I have a pretty good afetermarket stereo guy, so I will probably get as little as possible from the factory if I get the 247. You can get the 8 speaker pre-wire for free (they said) you just ask for it when you order. There isn't a great spot to put more than one sub. The foot area under the dash is good for one, and the freeboard under the seats isn't big enough for anything more than maybe some 8's. Ideas?

as big as those lockers are you could easily put one back in there and not lose to much storage.

Sideways turned JL12 Ported box. Hits like a hammer. Run it with a PPI 1500.2.

You should be able to put it at the drivers feet w/o taking up much room.


like this:

Have you driven either yet? I just bought an 06 LSV. Thought hard about the 247 but really did not need the extra and did not want to spend the money. I test drove the X-30. It was an early one off the line. I will not bash it, but I strongly encourage you to drive both and see what your expectaions are for either. I have trouble believeing that either is built poorly, but I do think you will notice differences in driving dynamics that may make you choose one over the other.

If you go Malibu, PW is a must. ditch the factory system, or at least plan to upgrade. I think you get a 1500 credit if you order it without, which goes along way if your dealer is willing to put something you like in the boat. The one critism I have heard about the 247 is the speakers and remote mounted dead center of the rear seat, kinda makes is hard for someone to actually sit there, although most people on my boat are trying to face the other direction anyway.

Have 2 of you get in the 247, play leapfrog to find out how many seating positions you can get behind the windshield, I counted 12, then 2-3 in the bow. do the same in the x45. I counted 8 behind the windshield, which means you have to fit seven in the bow area to get the same amount of people. Which you know won't happen. Also I guarantee the 247 does fit more stuff below the seats and trunks, than the X45, That is even without bow storage on the 247. If you can demo both boats, do it back to back. The Malibu is so much faster, and agile thean the x45 it will be absolutely no contest.
On the carpet thing, get a carpet saver in the Malibu which is in essence an area rug with a rubber backing. It will take the abuse while the boat carpet will be spared.

anyone have or know a link to some good exterior color schemes? THere are a ton of combinations, which one is right for me?

look at boat show pics

i spent a weekend on the malibu 247 and was pretty damn happy on it. i pulled doubles for one of the mornings. here are some things i remember:
-14 damn cup holders (not counting the bow) w/ 2 dedicated for the driver
-power wedge is MUST HAVE. it really IS awesome and it works incredibly well.
-the new malibu cruise is awesome. as i said in the thread linked below the speed never varied more than 1 mph even through turns.
-'06 illusion-x towers are spring loaded so one person can easily lower the tower.
-the boat didnt even care that two riders were behind it. it pulled them around effortlessly. (not sure of the engine size, though.
http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65919/261853.html

if you want to try it out go to Malibu's site and build one yourself. It gets to be a lot of fun

Matt does throw the OA3's with style. If I ran with a crew and surfed a lot, this would be the boat. does not drive at all like a 24' boat.

thanks for the input, I have a demo set up with both boats in the next week, I'll take a picture of the X45 wake to post.

Show the interior and storage as well if you can.

YOu want pics from me?

email me @hackerjack@verizon.net

If you have them, sure. Just post them up.

overall quality and build i would go with mc, they have foam floatation, malibu does not, take a look at how the seat bases in the malibu are attached, mc's are all one piece with the floor. with the bu seems like they focus more on bling and fancy stuff than overall build quality ... malibus do handle and ride nice, they also throw great wakes, but because of the way that they are put together i would pick mc over bu. -imo

im not biased at all im about to buy a san210 but from what ive seen in the two boats the x45 would be a better buy depending on the price you get.

On the seat thing, Mastercraft does indeed have molded seat bases, Malibu's are mounted. Look at it as a different way to attack the same goal. Neither has problems which makes neither of them wrong. I have NEVER seen or heard of a seat base being a quality issue with Malibu. I'm Guessing Norm has shopped around and the MC dealer "informed" him about how the Malibu boats are built.
What it boils down to is these key points...
Quality, performance, features, price = a good value.

The 247 embraces all of these points

Quality, Malibu is in second Place 0nly 3 points behind Nautique, ahead of MC Which makes Malibu owners happier with their product than MC

Performance, Not a single 23-25' on the water today handles, has the holeshot or the wakes of the 247 (except maybe the 23' LSV)

Features, STANDARD Cruise Control, 1500# of Ballast with a digital monitor system, Power Wedge to shape wake on the fly, seating for 15, even the warming tray above the motor is a neat idea. IllusionX Tower, if you don't like it, there's options to pick which tower you want.
LED interior and exterior Lighting, and most coveted of all PINK gelcoat ;)

Price: the 247 costs less than an X-star in most cases, and certainly less than a x45

It's an easy choice in my eyes. I've driven both, the 247 just absolutely walks over the x45

What do you mean by foam flotation?

Its funny how it seems to have become cool to dislike MC. The X45 is a really nice boat. Just overpriced.

Rich, Foam flotation is injected into the hull and gunnels to keep the boat afloat if it were to experience a problem. It also helps with vibration and noise reduction. I am not sure if BU has it or not. Just answering your question.

"Its funny how it seems to have become cool to dislike MC. The X45 is a really nice boat. Just overpriced. "

I am going to guess it became cool when it became overpriced.

It kinda seems pointless to come on forums this time of year and ask "which boat" questions. You won't get too many unbiased opinions...most have an agenda.

Zach

Your performance comment is off mark.

"Performance, Not a single 23-25' on the water today handles, has the holeshot or the wakes of the 247 (except maybe the 23' LSV)"

The Tige 24 V has better handling, IMO. The only independent review of 'hole shot' that I can find comes from www.waterskimag.com

The 247 with the 8.1 was able to get to 30 MPH in 5.3 seconds. The Tige 24Ve comes in at 5.5 seconds with the standard GM 340 HP engine. I would dare say that unless you are side by side, you'll never be able to detect .2 seconds difference. For the huge increase in fuel consumption on the Malibu, I'll go with the Tige.

The Mastercraft with the Indmar 5.7 comes to 30 MPH at a pathetic 7.8 seconds.

I don't say that to bash the 247. I'm actually intrigued by it. It likely has features that I love about my Tige, and possibly more, but holeshot and handling are not better. I wish waterski mag had done 0-20 MPH tests for holeshot, as that I find that much more important.

yeah, but I appreciate all of the different views. This is how it went down at the boat show. I was pretty much ready to lay down the deposit to get the 247 ordered. Standard options, plus bow ballast, triple axle trailer, 3 outlet heater, shower, wakeboard rack/hydrofoil rack, halogen docking lights, dual batteries, fiberglass swim platform, 17" chrome wheel upgrade, spare tire (undercarriage) and snap covers. The BU dealer told me he could do the deal for under 70k. I put a deposit to hold a production spot.
Then at the boat show I see the x45. It already had all of the options I had picked, just not the triple axle trailer/wheels. Plus a lot more- the JL stereo c sub, 4 tower speakers, pod tower lights front/back, bimini, and covers. He offered me the boat for about 2k less than the BU price. So i figure that may be a better deal, as it has the upgrades already done. Then the malibu dealer said he'd match the deal, w/o the 3xtrailer, but that he'd add the MB Quart speakers, bimini, etc. So both boats are the same price to me now. FYI- the MSRP on the MC, with options was 96,868 and the msrp on the BU was 92,476.

Fest, I just swallowed my thumb drive when you hit with that $96K line.

You're far too pimp for the TOYOTA. With them kind of ducks you'd better get the optional transom slide, too, just make sure it's plumbed with the water jets or your a$$es will stick to it in the summer.

With a triple-dizzle trailer, does that make you an eighteen wheeler?

Do you need a special license to drive something with 14 cupholders? Our Sequoia has ten plus six airbags - we just squeaked by.

Christy - it looks like Fest asked the right questions and has received some well-intended feedback. That's a good thing. We told him to come post a "which boat will I look cooler in" thread, but he had better sense.

You can change the hole shot on any boat. It is a factor of the pitch. I bet my last boat shot wise was much faster than any test showed, but i dropped the pitch so i lost top end.

Both are good boats, it is more so what you like the most. I looked at them as well as the x-30 and 23 and just ordered a 23lsv.

Everybody is so stuck on the performance but did it ever occur to anybody that the reason one boat performs so much better then the next is b\c it displaces less water therefore faster therefore smaller wake?!


Seems very logical to me!

Taps definitely helps the Tige get on plane quick for a boat of it's size. I had the 330HP motor in mine and an aftermarket Acme, ran about 2700 Lbs plus 10 people and it would still get on plane pretty quickly. If someone did not know to adjust the taps out of the whole... it never settled down.

Now, none of that has anything to do with the question posed... After sitting in both it is hard to say. There is something to bash about all of them... At 70k, I like that the Tige was close to the same size and much less $ But... I am moving to Nauti.

More food for thought - the Tige 24Ve weighs 600 pounds more than the bu 247.

BigE that's why I/Os are faster but not an ideal wake machine.

my friend has a Tige 22v, and although I like it a lot, I'm passing up on it. It is a nice boat though.
Derek- just to be clear, I ain't paying close to the MSRP. ANd I dunno about the 3xtrailer. The MC sales dude tells me it is a waste. I couldn't even get him to agree that it has any purpose. So I could shave some more $$$ there. And no-one is ever too pimp for an Epic. If Toyota was still in the business, I'm sure they'd be another 5 years ahead of the pack, and I'd be buying another Yota. So anyone reading this post who is looking for an affordable, clean, super-sweet V-drive, my S-22 will prolly be for sale soon. I have to say, it took me a while to get used to wakeboarding behind it. That smooth Lexus V-8 is so quiet you can't hear it at 70ft, you have to watch the boat to see it it moving.

If you are getting them at the same price, I would have to lean to the X45.

P.S. Malibu's are also neutral buoyant, Your boat has to be in order to meet NMMA reg's so there is floatation


Big Ed, speed is based on the boats unweighted. and nothing deployed. Yes the Malibu will indeed have smaller wake when there is no ballast. Fill things up and drop the wedge and the wake will be larger. Factory to factory, the Malibu will have a larger wake than the x45 when prompted

The faster a boat slips through the water, less friction, more gas mileage, Kind of a moot point I guess because all these dogs will be absolutely terrible on gas consumption anyway

true on the neutral boyancy and the BU.

My demo rides are off due to frozen lakes. Gotta love Colorado winters. This one is actually not bad, and the snowboarding is great.
I'll probly order the 247 with some sort of test-drive clause when the ice melts. Otherwise I won't get it till August. It seems like the MC factory is a little quicker to get an ordered boat out.

I think that is because of the supply and demand for the 247. It was the same way last year for the VLX when it was revamped.

"the Malibu will have a larger wake than the x45 when prompted"

Have you been in the 45 when "prompted?"

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Malibu's are also neutral buoyant,

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What the hell does that mean????



Is it made out of something other boats are not???

You guys are killing me on this thread...

It means, that when you put it in the water, it won't sink. Which is good.

neutral buoyant= will not sink to the bottom of the lake if something catastrophic happens, it'll only sink to the windshield. (provided you load it according to the capacity plate)

I have had a chance to ride, drive, and pick apart both 247 and X-45, The x-45 did have a great wake, but plain and simple, the 247's was nicer, Personally I felt that i didn't need any More weight, I felt the X-45 needed another 200 on each side of the motor, and a 500# in the bow, didn't expierence it that way, not enough time. *Disclaimer* I am not pro by any means, I do know how I like my wake though.

Zack,I'm going to ask you again...Is a BU made of something other boats are NOT?


Is so...WHAT?

And if not,I don't understand the "NEUTRAL BUOYANT" Deal???

I would bet Zach works for Malibu...

I'm not a pro level rider either...but those wake picks on the linked threads about sure look nice.
The neutral buoyancy, at least how the dealer described it to me, simply means that if the boat gets swamped (I have witnessed this with ski boats at Lake Powell) it will not sink to the bottom. It will stay partially floating, around the level of the windshield base. This could provide safety if you aren't near land. I think all new boats, at least the upper end ones, are compliant with this.

Big Ed 2 - I don't think anyone said that Malibu is made of something different. As far as I know both are made of fiberglass. Earlier in the thread someone stated that MC had flotation foam and Malibu did not. Zach's response was that Malibu, like every NMA certified boat, is neutraly bouyant. As has been explained, this means the boat will not sink when carrying weights within the builder plate should the hull become breached or the boat swamped.

ok, so back on topic, Apparently if both the MCX45 and BU247 are the same price, the general consensus is that the MC is a better value? Or that I should be able to order the BU for less money than a comparable MC?

IMO, if they are the same price, I would lean to the 45, but I would test drive it before I bought it, since nobody on here can post pics of the wake. Since you are looking at these two, it is apparent that you want some bling factor(nothing wrong with that!)I THINK the 45 has more. Plus I like the snap out carpet, huge storage, and bow. Your kids will love the front of that thing. Like I said though, its just an opinion.

oh yea, and since it is 730lbs heavier, I would get the 425hp motor with it.

Festivus, that is a very hard question. My experience is that the MC carries a higher sticker, and I think the prie you got on the Bu was not bad, that suggests the MC dealer is cutting you a great deal. But a deal is only a deal when you are getting something you want, hence my original advice on driving both. That is 100% preference, you may love the way the MC drives, some people don't. If you like it you are a lucky man. If not, well...

Everyone is going to see this as MC bashing, but I wonder how well that boat will hold it's value. There are reports on this forum, Lord only knows if they are true, that MC dealers are trying to dump the new X30 and X45. Maybe it is just people getting great deals. But a boat that size and price has a small market. The 247 seems, at least in my area, to be getting a universally positive review (that is not true, once again in my area, of some of the newer MC products.) All of this is pure conjecture, but that is what we are here for anyway.

The only way you are going to know is to do a test drive. Comments on wake size etc are only so many words. I actually bought a boat that did not have the best wake of all I test drove (for the record, the best was a Tige 24V.) I selected the boat that had the features I wanted, was best for my family and felt like the best fit. My boat has a tremondous wake, but so did every boat I test drove. It is the 150 other hours a year I put on it that worried me.

BTW - the triple trailer is bling only and is actually harder to pull when it tight situations.

By zach (xsmini) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 6:58 am:

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P.S. Malibu's are also neutral buoyant, Your boat has to be in order to meet NMMA reg's so there is floatation

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My point is he specifically named Malibu.....



Another point.....There must also be more reasons why MC injects the foam and does not leave it empty like Malibu's....Obviously NOT for floatation since they are ALL neutral buoyant.

Not talking crap about Bu's,they are nice,only stating the fact and calling B.S. on certain comments.

Big Ed, Norm Langham says "overall quality and build i would go with mc, they have foam floatation, malibu does not." Zach's response was this "Malibu's are also neutral buoyant, Your boat has to be in order to meet NMMA reg's so there is floatation" You're thinking too much. Zach wasn't saying Malibu has some trick build process better than MC. He's just saying that both MC and Malibus won't sink to the bottom of the lake when swamped, and that both are neutral buoyant in one way or another.

PS....Festivus, just test drive both boats and go with your gut feeling. Both boats are pimp, both will throw a huge wake when weighted, both will hold more people than you'll ever need for wakeboarding, both will use a crap load of gas, and both will cost a crap load of money. I guarantee no one will criticize you for choosing either boat. Well except for TJK if you buy the Malibu.

amen to Ryan.

Fest-
Are you working with Tommy's? They are an awesome dealer to work with. They picked up Malibu a few years back, actually traded the MC and Malibu dealerships in Colorado.

Big Ed
Mastercraft has foam
Malibu has foam
Neither will sink
end of story

and no I do not work for Malibu, I'm just exposed to this stuff quite often

zach- yeah, Tommy's. I bought a new Moomba Kamberra there in '01 before they switched to BU. They have always been nice and I go back every so often for gear. (I sold the Kamberra in '03 for the Epic S22) I hate their location and their service bays are smaller than my garage, but....they tell me they are remodeling.
New problem- I can't drive either boat any time soon- ICE. So if I wanna get either one by summer I gotsta order now. Maybe I can somehow work in a test drive clause for when the boat gets here and the bloody lakes thaw. I'm going to both dealers tomorow, so we'll see......

Zack,now you say both names but earlier that was not the case.

Ryan,my reasoning behind it was

By zach (xsmini) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 6:58 am:

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P.S. Malibu's are also neutral buoyant, Your boat has to be in order to meet NMMA reg's so there is floatation

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And if you check the time and date this followed it

By Festivus Maxximus (festivus) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 7:35 am:

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true on the neutral boyancy and the BU.

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Therefore my statement!!!



I guess everybody looks at it different!

so I'm sort of trying to steal my thread back, they are both buoyant. Let it be. Ed, you must be in mall security or something. No one really cares who is right, so you can be the ONE. You are right. Be sure to tell everyone.

Festivus, there arn't a whole lot of 247 owners out there but there are a few on TheMalibuCrew and here is a thread for some new 247 owners. If you have any questions they might be able to answer them for you.

http://www.themalibucrew.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3538