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Old     (kdsuprassv)      Join Date: Dec 2006       07-03-2008, 7:38 PM Reply   
Second time out this year and after riding for a few hours we stopped to swim for about an hour. Tried to start the boat and it would not fire. After trying to start periodically for a while I got a tow back to the ramp. By the time I got to the ramp and tied up....it fired up and ran fine the rest of the day. Called dealer and they said due to ethanol and other gas additives the fuel filter was partially blinded and causes a vapor lock. I changed the filter and ran fine the next time out. Same thing happened again today except the the boat started after about a half hour of trying. Any ideas....fuel conditioner, octane booster, etc. Most gas in my area S.E. TN is up to 10% ethanol.
Old     (loudsubz)      Join Date: Aug 2001       07-03-2008, 7:48 PM Reply   
If its vapour lock you can try running the blower when stopped, or open the hatch to cool it down, so you dont have the fuel boiling in the carb.

If its not vapur lock, it could be igniton related. Sometimes Coils act up when they are on their way out, and cause problems when they get to hot, and go back to normal when they cool down.
Old     (scottnaz)      Join Date: Feb 2008       07-03-2008, 9:25 PM Reply   
Maybe these will help:

http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/578834.html
http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/3183/581546.html
Old     (loudsubz)      Join Date: Aug 2001       07-04-2008, 4:31 AM Reply   
Heres all the info for Mercruiser Engines anyways

99-7 NOVEMBER 2001 Printed in U.S.A. - W 2001, Mercury Marine Page 1 of 6
No. 99-7
WARRANTY INFORMATION SERVICE INFORMATION
 = Revised November 2001
Gasoline Engine Vapor Locking
Models
All Mercury MerCruiser 4 Cylinder, V6 and V8 engines.
Situation
Under certain conditions, engines may experience a ‘vapor lock’ condition. The three most
common complaints that vapor locking cause are:
1. The engine starts. When the throttle is advanced, the engine quits running and will not
restart.
2. If the engine does restart, it quits when advancing the throttle to get the boat up on plane
or to pull up a water skier.
3. After running the boat and shutting the engine off for 1 to 3 hours, the engine does not
want to restart.
Conditions That Affect Vapor Locking
Fuels containing alcohol and ‘winter grade’ fuels will cause vapor locking complaints to
increase.
NOTE: The new ‘Reformulated’ fuels have the RVP (Reid Vapor Pressure) very carefully
controlled.
It will normally take several following conditions to make an engine ‘vapor lock’. These conditions
include but are not limited to:
1. Type, formulation and RVP of the gasoline in the boat’s fuel tank or sold in the area. ‘Winter
grade’ fuels sold from October through March in most areas have the highest RVP.
2. Engine compartment air temperature and its ventilation system.
3. Temperature and vacuum on the fuel that is being delivered to the engine.
4. The location of the fuel tank.
GASOLINE ENGINE VAPOR LOCKING
Page 2 of 6 NOVEMBER 2001 99-7
5. The boat’s fuel supply system. This includes Inside Diameter (ID) of fuel line and fittings,
fuel line length, routing, bends or kinks and the clamps that secure it. Extra fuel filters,
fuel manifolds, anti-siphon valves, shut off valves, tank selector valves and the number
of 90 degree fittings used.
6. Engine coolant temperature.
7. How quickly the engine is shut off after running at cruising or higher rpms and how long
the engine and engine compartment are allowed to cool off after use.
8. The outside air temperature on the day the boat is being operated.
Corrections That Can Be Done To Help Minimize Vapor Locking
Before looking at the customer’s problem as a vapor locking condition, make sure something
else is not causing the running problem.
Air leak in the engine or boat fuel system. Check the tightness of all fuel fittings and
clamps. Check for a cracked housing where a brass fuel fitting is threaded in it.
IMPORTANT: Do not pressurize the boat’s fuel tank(s) in this test.
Disconnect the fuel line from fuel tank(s). Pressurize the fuel system that goes to the engine
to 8 psi (55 kPa) with a hand pump to see if it holds this pressure. Often systems will
leak air but not fuel. Always use a wrench to hold a brass fitting that is threaded into an aluminum
casting when tightening another fitting threaded into it to prevent the casting from
cracking.
Check the complete fuel supply system of the boat for a fuel restriction. Include the brass
fitting threaded into the engine’s inlet in this test. Use a portable outboard fuel tank connected
directly to the engine’s fuel inlet fitting as a quick way to test the system.
If these more common problems are not causing the complaint, then continue.
1. Follow instructions below:
a. Find out what type of fuel is in the boat’s fuel tank. Fuels containing alcohol are more
likely to vapor lock on hot days.
b. Find out what the RVP of the fuel in the boat’s fuel tank is. 11 to 15 RVP (cool to cold
weather) fuel will change from liquid to a vapor at lower fuel temperature than 8 to
10 RVP (warm to hot weather) fuel will. Refilling the boat’s fuel tank with lower RVP
fuel will decrease the chance of vapor locking. Fuels purchased in most areas of the
USA from late September through early April will cause most of the problems.
2. Follow instructions below:
a. Over the last several years, engine compartments have been designed to be quieter.
This is done by using an insulation material and by making ‘engine covers’ tighter.
This can cause high air temperature inside the engine compartment while the engine
is operating and for a period of time after it is shut off. This period of time is called
the ‘heat soak’ time. The air temperature inside the engine compartment during a
‘heat soak’ will rise higher than during the engine’s ‘running time’. This is because
there is no air movement inside the compartment and no coolant flow through the
engine. Normally, the quieter the engine compartment is, the hotter the air temperature
will be on the inside during the ‘heat soak’. The highest air temperatures during
a ‘heat soak’ will occur 30-40 minutes after the engine is shut off and can stay at that
peak for up to 1-1/2 hours. This greatly increases the chances of vapor locking.
GASOLINE ENGINE VAPOR LOCKING
99-7 NOVEMBER 2001 Page 3 of 6
b. Mercury MerCruiser engine compartment air temperature specification that became
effective January 1, 1996 is:
Under the hottest outside air temperature condition that the boat will be operated in,
the maximum air temperature inside the engine compartment, measured at the
flame arrestor, shall not exceed 176o F (80o C).
c. Increasing engine compartment ventilation to move the hot air out of it during a ‘heat
soak’ will decrease vapor locking. Other items that can help reduce vapor locking
are:
Letting an engine idle for 3-5 minutes before shutting it off.
Open the engine cover to let the hot air escape.
Operate the bilge blower to remove the hot air.
3. Follow instructions below:
a. Fuel temperature (at the engine’s fuel inlet fitting) and the amount of vacuum
required by the fuel pump to draw the fuel from the boat’s fuel tank can contribute
to vapor locking.
Mercury MerCruiser’s maximum engine fuel temperature specification that became
effective January 1, 1996 is:
Under the hottest outside air temperature condition that the boat will be operated
in, the temperature of the fuel being supplied to the engine shall not exceed 110o F
(43o C) at any location between the fuel tank and the engine’s fuel pump.
Mercury MerCruiser’s specification for the maximum vacuum measured at the fuel
inlet of any MerCruiser engine is:
2 in. Hg (7 kPa) maximum at idle rpm, 3000, full throttle and back at idle rpm.
Use an accurate digital vacuum gauge that reads in either in. Hg (inches of mercury)
or (kPa) to check this specification. Common vacuum gauges to check an engine
intake manifold vacuum are not accurate enough to make this type of measurement.
b. Reducing the temperature and maximum vacuum of the fuel being supplied to the
engine will help reduce vapor locking problems.
NOTE: Carbureted and EFI/MPI with VST models only: The Water Separating Fuel Filter
can be removed from the engine to a lower, cooler location. Use a Coast Guard approved
fuel line between the filter and the fuel pump.
4. Check to see if the fuel tank is in an area where engine compartment heat or sun can
preheat the fuel that is in the fuel tank. Putting insulation between the fuel tank and the
heat source can help keep the fuel cooler.
GASOLINE ENGINE VAPOR LOCKING
Page 4 of 6 NOVEMBER 2001 99-7
5. Follow instructions below:
a. The fuel supply system can be a major cause of vapor locking. Remove all kinks in
any of the fuel lines. Move the fuel line to be as close to the bottom of the boat as
possible to keep it in the coolest area of the engine compartment. Replace clamps
used to support the fuel line with larger clamps if the fuel line is being pinched or
constricted with the current clamp.
b. Reduce the total length of the fuel line to be as short as possible. Eliminate or reduce
the number of 90 degree fittings used in the system to no more than 2.
c. Any anti-siphon valve or restriction that causes a higher than specified vacuum
reading can contribute to vapor locking and other driveability problems. If the
vacuum reading is too high, try a less restrictive anti-siphon valve or the Electric
Anti-Siphon Valve Kit.
NOTE: An engine that has a vapor locking condition may show a very low vacuum reading.
This could be a false reading because vapor can give a very low vacuum reading. Check
the inlet fuel line to ensure that a good solid flow of fuel is in the line instead of a mixture of
fuel and vapors. As a test only, use a clear plastic hose between the engine and the supply
line to look at the fuel flow visually.
d. Going to the next larger Inside Diameter (ID) fuel line and fittings can help lower the
vacuum and help correct vapor locking conditions. An example is shown below.
5/16 in. (8 mm) fuel line and fittings ID 5.5 in. Hg (17.8 kPa), too high.
3/8 in. (9.5 mm) fuel line and fittings ID 2.5 in. Hg (8.2 kPa), too high.
 in. (12.5 mm) fuel line and fittings ID 0.8 in. Hg (2.7 kPa), good.
NOTE: Engines with 3/8 in. (9.5 mm) ID fuel line and 15 ft (4.5 m) total length or less: Going
to a  in. (12.5 mm) ID fuel line will not give much improvement. Fuel systems longer than
15 ft (4.5 m) may see an improvement by going to  in. (12.5 mm) fuel line and fittings.
e. Mount fuel manifolds as low as possible in the engine compartment to lower the fuel
temperature or remove them if possible.
6. Follow instructions below:
a. Make sure that the engine has the correct degree thermostat in it. Replace with the
correct one.
b. Keep fuel lines as far away from engine cooling hoses as possible.
GASOLINE ENGINE VAPOR LOCKING
99-7 NOVEMBER 2001 Page 5 of 6
c. EFI and MPI engines with the ‘Cool Fuel’ system should have the fuel cooler temperature
measured after the engine is shut off. The coolant hose going to the ‘fuel
cooler’ should not get much hotter to the touch after the engine is shut off for 10-20
minutes than what it is with the engine running. If it gets hot after the engine is shut
off, hot water from the cylinder block might be siphoning back. Installing the Check
Valve Kit will stop this backward water flow.
NOTE: On inboard engines with water cooled prop shaft seals, make sure the water tap for
this seal is not causing the siphoning. The only approved location from Mercury MerCruiser
for this water supply is the raw water hose that goes to the 90-degree fitting (with Blue drain
plug) in the bottom of the port exhaust manifold.
7. How quickly the engine is shut off after running at cruising or higher rpms and how long
the engine and engine compartment are allowed to cool off after use can greatly affect
vapor locking. To help the boat owner reduce their chances of vapor locking, suggest
that they do the items listed under 2c.
8. Nothing can be done about the air temperature the boat is being operated in. By following
suggestions outlined in 1 through 7, the causes for most vapor locking complaints
can be greatly reduced.
9. If all suggestions 1 through 7 have been done and engine still does not restart after it
is shut off, the Fuel Pump Kit can be used. This kit will help a vapor locked engine to
restart. IT DOES NOT CURE VAPOR LOCKING! The engine may still bog on acceleration.
Kit contains a low pressure electric fuel pump, Check Valve Kit and installation instructions.
This low pressure fuel pump helps feed fuel to the pump in the cool fuel system.
NOTE: If the items in this Service Bulletin are not checked and corrected before putting the
Fuel Pump Kit on, the kit might not correct the restarting of the vapor locked engine.
Kit Part Numbers
P/N 21-862271A 1 Check Valve Kit.
P/N 862733A 1 Electric Anti–Siphon Valve Kit.
P/N 862264A 3 Fuel Pump Kit, (contains Check Valve Kit).
Test Equipment
Following is a list of equipment that can be used to testing.
Testing Fuel RVP:
SPX OTC sells a test kit, Gasoline Quality Testing Kit - P/N 7670.
GASOLINE ENGINE VAPOR LOCKING
Page 6 of 6 NOVEMBER 2001 99-7
Testing Fuel Temperature or Vacuum:
Fittings required to make connections between engine fuel inlet and the boat’s fuel line
and fitting.
(1) Pipe Fitting -  in. pipe thread at both ends, 1-1/2 in. (38 mm) long.
(1) Tee Fitting -  in. female pipe thread.
(1) Schrader Valve - P/N 22-805408.
(1) Cap, Schrader Valve - P/N 22-805515.
Tools required to measure fuel vacuum at fuel inlet of the engine.
(1) Digital Compound Gauge, that has an accuracy of within 2% of the reading.
Cole-Parmer P/N P-68950-00. (Note 1)
(1) Gauge Guard (30 in. Hg to 15 psi). Cole-Parmer P/N U-07359-02. (Note 1)
(1) Gauge Guard Liquid (4 fl oz). Cole-Parmer P/N U-07359-50. (Note 2)
(1) Hose connected to digital gauge with adaptor to connect to the Schrader valve.
Can use hose and Schrader valve connector from Fuel Pressure Kit,
P/N 91-881833A 2.
Tools required to measure fuel temperature at fuel inlet of the engine.
(1) DMT 2000 Meter - P/N 91-854009A 3.
(1) Reducer Bushing -  in. male to 1/8 in. female pipe thread - P/N 22-48556.
(1) Temp Probe Compression Fitting - 1/8 in. pipe thread. Cole-Parmer P/N H-08539-04.
(1) Temp Probe - 4 in. long with K connector. Cole-Parmer P/N P-08117-45.
(1) Temp Probe Extension Cable - 10 ft long with K connector.
Cole-Parmer P/N H-08516-30.
Cole-Parmer Instrument Company
Phone: 847.549.7600 or 800.323.4340.
Fax: 847.247.2929 International Fax: 847.549.1700.
NOTE: 1. The Gauge Guard has to be used with the gauge listed to protect it from liquid
gasoline or vapors. Failure to use the Gauge Guard will damage the gauge. When using the
Guard, the maximum range that can be applied to this Guard installed on the Gauge is 30
in. Hg to 15 psi.
NOTE: 2. The Gauge Guard Liquid has to be filled under a vacuum. You have to pull a vacuum
through the diaphragm seal with a vacuum pump and fill the Guard through fill port on
the side. Failure to do this will cause an incorrect gauge reading.
Old     (kdsuprassv)      Join Date: Dec 2006       07-04-2008, 7:20 AM Reply   
All of my trips this year have been short trips. I have been filling up after each trip. Basically diluting the winter gas each time. Last night I ran it empty. I will fill up with summer gas and see what happens. Thanks for the input.

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