BU MXZ 22 vs BU MXZ 24

So after my brief love affair with a supra SA it has come down to these two boats. I really like the MXZ 22 but storage in the boat is an issue since I will be adding 750's in the back. I love the 24 and all the storage but have never owned a boat that long. Keep in mind I have demoed the 22 but will be demoing the 24 this weekend. I have heard the 24 handles well and and puts out a really great wake for wakeboarding which we do 90% of the time. The rest wake surfing. Any thoughts from owners who own one or the other. Thanks

Anyone?

Go big or go home. No experience on either though.

I'd say the same thing..if you need the space you will be sorry you don't have it if you went with the 22. Thats as long as the extra cost, extra size and weight(towing/storage), and fuel consumption aren't an issue to you.

I believe there is only an 800 lb difference between the two. If I knew where to store everything and the darn tube for the kids I'd stick with the 22. I just don't see the storage.

Just go with the 24 and be happy and comfortable. It sounds like you already made your decision.

Just never had that big of boat before. It's not like we take 10 people out all the time. Hoping the 24 handles well. Loved everything on the 22 and comfortable with size but storage...thanks for your help

What are you towing with? Its a big boat, big trailer, etc..

Thats a good point. I learned a lesson on this. Don't trust the manufacturers weight numbers. If it is 800, that will easily turn into 1500 lbs. more on a bigger trailer with more gear and more gas. They list 4800 dry weight. That will probably be very close to 7000 on a trailer in lake ready form.

But if none of that is an issue bigger is probably going to be better.

Mia spell

Ave a new truck with 5.3 engine, heavy duty trailer package worth oversized transmission, oil etc. thought?

A 5.3 will work for the 24 if you pull a short distance to the ramp and back. Any significant towing will require a little more heavy duty rig

I have a '12 GMC Sierra with the 5.3 and i wouldn't tow a 24 with it. Maybe if it was mostly flat and I lived a couple miles from the ramp..maybe..

I'd go with the 22 . Easier to weight,tow and it uses less fuel. Bring a air pump and pump up the tube before you use it.Then deflate it after your done.The 22 will also be easier to store in a 24 ft garage with the deck off and the trailer tongue folded.Best of luck with your decision.

Not storing in a garage. The dealer says the truck will easily pull the 24. He really wants to sell the 22 so I don't think he is saying that to get me in the 24. They tow all around with a f-150 with their boats no ecoboost. Plenty of storage in storage space.

Like has been stated it will tow short distances, but won't do it well. Long distances, e specially with any increase in elevation, will be taxing both moniitarily and physically on a 5.3. If you don't plan to pull any distance, ever, then don't worry about it. Otherwise buy a new truck. Odds are the dealer doesn't pull any distances either. Hell I think the 22 is too much for a 5.3

Just bought new 2013 so don't think I'll be buying another new one.

You should be fine unless your going to Tahoe or somewhere that high ALL the time. If it was on a triple axle trailer it probably would be easier but you should be good either way. Just lots of gas costs!

While your truck might not tow a the 24 like a 3/4 ton diesel it should be ok. Just keep in mind you might not be able to tow at 70 mph up a pass and you should be on the careful side of things. Make sure the trailer has 4 wheel disc breaks and that they are in good working order. When I was selling mastercrafts I towed an X45 a couple times with a 100k miles 1999 expedition. The new engines have a ton more HP and torque than that rig did and it did ok around town. I could of towed over the pass although I probably would of had to run at 50mph and out of OD most of the time.

I have a 2012 silverado that is lifted with 35s and I pull my X 45 with it which is a heavier than the Malibu. I do live in Louisiana so it's pretty flat but I can pull the boat between 65-70 and put the cruise on. Why anyone is towing a boat over 70 is crazy that just isn't safe. If you have the heavy duty trans you should be more than fine. I'm sure a diesel would make it easier but it isn't worth the price in fuel when your bit pulling the boat.

Pulled out my book and assuming you have a 4x4 Crew with standard rear end your max towing is 6500 or 7000 depending. I'm pretty sure that monster 24 is going to exceed 7000 lb. considering most 20 foot V-drives are around 5K on the trailer in lake form.

Originally Posted by boardman74

Pulled out my book and assuming you have a 4x4 Crew with standard rear end your max towing is 6500 or 7000 depending. I'm pretty sure that monster 24 is going to exceed 7000 lb. considering most 20 foot V-drives are around 5K on the trailer in lake form.

I have the heavy duty transmission, but the dry weight of an X45 is about 5100lbs but im sure including gas/gear and trailer it probably gets pretty close to 7000. A 24MXZ is about 500lbs lighter so I would think he would be alright with the new truck that he just bought. I know for a fact that a diesel pulls any boat better than a gas truck however unless he is driving in high altitude terrian, a 1/2 ton would be more than fine for those two boats.

My 2013 avalanche has a towing capability of 8100 lbs. I'm sure that is more than enough for the MXZ 22 or 24. Do you think everyone who buys a nautique g series or a heavy mastercraft have diesel trucks. I see mostly trucks or SUV's towing boats of all sizes. He should be fine .

also the one I rode was supercharged

Originally Posted by davez71

Why anyone is towing a boat over 70 is crazy that just isn't safe. If you have the heavy duty trans you should be more than fine. I'm sure a diesel would make it easier but it isn't worth the price in fuel when your bit pulling the boat.

Originally Posted by davez71

I have the heavy duty transmission, but the dry weight of an X45 is about 5100lbs but im sure including gas/gear and trailer it probably gets pretty close to 7000. A 24MXZ is about 500lbs lighter so I would think he would be alright with the new truck that he just bought. I know for a fact that a diesel pulls any boat better than a gas truck however unless he is driving in high altitude terrian, a 1/2 ton would be more than fine for those two boats.

A 1/2 ton is fine, but a 5.3 is a terrible engine for towing. Power and gas millage both suffer greatly, and god help you if you have to do any high altitude climbing. The 6.2 does really well, as long as you have the right differential. Fully loaded odds are you're pushing towards the top end of the towing capacity of a 1/2 ton with a 24. Most have triple axle trailers, so you're talking 1500 pounds on top of the 4800 pounds you're already dealing with dry on the boat. About 500lbs of gas if full, and then another few hundred in toys if you have them in it.

My buddy had a 5.3 in his old avalanche and struggled pretty well pulling his old axis up to Eisenhower. I don't even want to guess his gas millage, probably around 5 per mile on that stretch. He traded that in and got a 6.2 yukon, that I used to pull an LSV, and it did really well, still only around 10-11 miles per gallon though. That's like someone buying a 23-24 foot boat, adding a ton of ballast and thinking hey I should buy the small engine, it will be fine... Doesn't make sense. You can make it work, but you're going to take forever to plane and you're going tax the hell out of the boat

I don't understand someone planning on buying a larger wakeboard boat who thinks hey lets buy the smallest truck engine I can. At least get the 6.2. You don't need a diesel, but you should buy a truck a little better built for towing heavy.

Thread wrapped up right there ^^^^ nice post. (im the retard that didnt think he needed the bigger motor in my lsv) regret it every time i throttle down.

^^^^ couldn't agree more. If I was buying a new truck I would for sure get the 6.2L but thats not happening. I rarely pull the boat except for when it goes to the dealer and I don't have any problems as Louisisana is pretty flat but I'm sure in hills it would be different. Best of luck with the boats

Again he will be fine. He just bought a new truck and now buying a boat. @chris, I'm sure you made him really good. Again I see boats pulled by trucks and SUVs all the time. They are not diesel or 6.2. Us common folk can't have a vehicle just to pull a boat. I bet if most people were honest on here the majority would not have bigger than a 5.3 or 5.7.

I also guess if you live in Colorado you would need it. But Arizona or Nevada. No way.

Originally Posted by Luv2wake

I believe there is only an 800 lb difference between the two. If I knew where to store everything and the darn tube for the kids I'd stick with the 22. I just don't see the storage.

The MXZ 22 is already over 7000lbs on the trailer. One member on the Malibu Crew weighed his and it was 7200lbs. Even my 21.5' VLX is 6000lbs on the trailer when lake ready with fuel (I weighed it). I would expect the 24MXZ to be easily over 7500lbs on the trailer, more depending on how much gear you load it up with.

Will you be tubing with the 750 fat sacs full? I sure hope not. Just bring an air pump on board and deflate the tube when not in use. When deflated it will easily fit under one of the seats or in a back locker.

Originally Posted by Brett_B

The MXZ 22 is already over 7000lbs on the trailer. One member on the Malibu Crew weighed his and it was 7200lbs. Even my 21.5' VLX is 6000lbs on the trailer when lake ready with fuel (I weighed it). I would expect the 24MXZ to be easily over 7500lbs on the trailer, more depending on how much gear you load it up with.

Will you be tubing with the 750 fat sacs full? I sure hope not. Just bring an air pump on board and deflate the tube when not in use. When deflated it will easily fit under one of the seats or in a back locker.

They are bigger and heavier boats than people realize. I've ben in and around both of them a ton and I wouldn't pull either any distance with a 5.0, since that's what's in the F-150, they have a top tow capacity of 9000lbs and you'd be pushing it with the 22. Short distances fine, long distances equal an over worked short lived truck and huge gas costs

i have a 23ft MB that weighs in around 6000lbs on trailer, not including fuel and gear. i towed it behind my wifes F150 with a 6.2L it pulled "okay" but it gets about 7mpg on the highway doing 60-65mph. i recently bought a F250 diesal to tow with now and it is much better. im lucky in the fact that another truck payment doesnt break the bank and we feel much safer towing the boat with the whole family in the truck so the peace of mind is well worth it in my book.

I am Chris's buddy that had the avalanche with the 5.3 that struggled over the pass. It was a 2005 with the 4 speed transmission and chrome 24x10" rims on it. Yes it "struggled" in that it would only do about 45 up that pass. I towed an Axis A22 all over with that truck and it was fine everywhere except the mountain pass. Chris also fails to mention that the only reason I was towing the boat is because his diesel that he SWEARS by was over heating and couldn't tow it over flat ground much less up a mountain.

Yes the yukon with the 6.2 towed better. They don't offer an avalanche with the 6.2 so that is not an option. This past summer I had a 2009 Sierra with the 5.3 that was leveled on 33s and 20 inch rims with the 6 speed transmission. Same mountain passes only it was a Tige RZ2 this time. Truck would go 50-55 up the mountain passes and this is the ONLY time it struggles. We are talking 10k + feet of elevation here. I also averaged 10mpg from Denver to Lake Powell with the 5.3. I have owned 3 trucks now with the 5.3. 2005 Avalanche, 2009 Sierra, and now a 2011 Avalanche. I have also owned a yukon with the 6.2 and a range rover with the 4.4. I have towed THOUSANDS of miles with the 5.3 and it is more than capable of doing the job for any 22 foot boat on the market. You don't need a diesel and you don't need a 6.2 to tow a 22' boat. I have towed a Supra 21' Launch Direct Drive, Axis A22, MB Sports 23 TWB and a Tige RZ2 all with the 5.3 and it has always gotten the job done. All of this in the Colorado area which means I am always around 5k of elevation or higher.

If you want the 24 footer get a bigger engine.

Great post. The 22 will be fine...the 24 is going to be too much for the 5.3. Because if the 22 is 7200 on the trailer in lake form I'm guessing the 24 will be close to 8000.

Why do you think you need 750s in the back of that boat? With the plug and play, the 22 with the front tank is dialed! Trust me. Divide a thousand in lead throughout the main cabin and walk through, and you'll have a mackin wake. Last year we ran no sacks at all in the rear and it was still amazing. The only reason we run sacks in the rear this year is because the plug and play is too damn convenient.

This is coming from a guy that typically slams a boat until it won't get on plane. The MXZ 22 doesn't need to be maxed out to produce a monster wake, and it doesn't need a lot of rear weight either.

Done

Pulled and towed the 24 with gear around the parking lot and on the highway and it was fine. Not great but not bad. Great breaks and pretty flat where I live. Did what the almighty Chatwake said to do. IIT WAS FINE. Talked to my brother who is a cop and got his opinion. So I am one. Go ahead and tell me I'm wrong but I'm not for now. Maybe in a year or so I will be. But for now I'm fine. Over and out wakeworld. Now I know why buddy said never go on this and similar sites because you guys love to pile on.

You came to a public forum for opinions on what you should do. When no one responded, you took the desperate act of bumping your own thread, and now you're unhappy with the answers?

Congrats Jake. Don't be upset. Hey, you towed the boat and feel ok with it. Good for you! Hope you love the boat.

Originally Posted by jarrod

You came to a public forum for opinions on what you should do. When no one responded, you took the desperate act of bumping your own thread, and now you're unhappy with the answers?

I love it too jarrod. SA450 vs LSV WS to I'm buying the SA to now debating between MXZs and kicking more tires and debating trucks all the while accusing us of laying it on thick

I wish you could like posts on this forum, because there are a couple I'd like int he last three here lol

Originally Posted by Luv2wake

Now I know why buddy said never go on this and similar sites because you guys love to pile on.

Are you friends with the guy from the Semper Marine stereo department?

Originally Posted by cjh1669

I wish you could like posts on this forum, because there are a couple I'd like int he last three here lol

All jokes aside, comeon luvwake! Nobody here is trying to give you bad advice. Everyone has their own opinion and I personally hope you wind up with a great boat soon but that was an odd stab at the forum when everyone was playing really nice with you!

I have an X-30 (Dry weight 4700 lbs). I tow it with my F-150 5.4. I never even considered getting a new tow vehicle. I think being able to tow fast, pass easily and have lots of power with a boat behind you is more important to some than others. I personally have never had an issue.

You asked for opinions and you don't like them so now your mad?? Wow. If you didn't want to know shouldn't have asked. If you think its OK thats all that matters. If your comfortable with it then there isn't an issue for you. I have a Siverado Crew and based on the capacity in the book it's too much, but like I said it's your stuff and your call. You got some good feedback. Why ask for it if you are going to ignore it? Hopefully you don't have a wife and kids in the truck with you.

I'm going to ask this not to be rude, but because I'm a curious guy. I have 2 Criminal Justice degrees and have been a City cop and a Sheriff's deputy in 2 different states as well as the military. What does your brother being a cop have do do with towing capacities? Maybe you were just trying to internet bully us with that comment. No way any cop knows anymore about towing capacities and any other Joe. Heck mechanics might know, cops...never. No way can they know every vehicle or trailer. Never ever in all my training have I had a class about towing, trailers, capacities or the like. Might know some basics if he was a commercial vehicle inspector, but they are DOT and not LEO's though. Unless you were asking him what was the likely hood he'd roll up on an accident with your truck and boat. If you asked about accidents with overloaded vehicles he has seen I'm sure he would have advised against it.

Oh yeah, since we are sharing my brother is a Mortgage Broker. Now I'm being funny!!!!!

No mad. Just over the arguments. It's a trade off. The 22 has smaller engine the 24 the bigger one. Not going to be underpowered in a boat again. The truck will do its job for at least the summer and then will reevaluate. Thanks for all responses. Just kinda done with the whole things. Cheers!

You'll be fine with 5.3

I have an 03 silverado with the 5.3 and I've been pulling my supra 24v for three summers now no problem and it has a lot less power than the new 5.3's. I am looking for a duramax right now but that's because I want a faster truck LOL

Originally Posted by Luv2wake

No mad. Just over the arguments. It's a trade off. The 22 has smaller engine the 24 the bigger one. Not going to be underpowered in a boat again. The truck will do its job for at least the summer and then will reevaluate. Thanks for all responses. Just kinda done with the whole things. Cheers!

Post some pics when you pick her up!!

I used to tow an X-Star with a Honda Ridgeline. You'll be fine. :-)

Originally Posted by runin90lx

i have a 23ft MB that weighs in around 6000lbs on trailer

Where do you get these numbers??? MB doesn't have any 6kLB boats..Their biggest one is 4400lbs. and the 23 footer is 4100...

A G25 weighs 5900lbs.

Originally Posted by lifetimewarranty

Where do you get these numbers??? MB doesn't have any 6kLB boats..Their biggest one is 4400lbs. and the 23 footer is 4100...

A G25 weighs 5900lbs.

Don't forget the trailer weight and the fact a lot of these factory listed weights are low. I wouldn't doubt at all that a 23 MB would weigh 6000lbs fueled up on a trailer.

Factory weights are way low. My 3200lb Tige weighs close to 5000 on a single axle trailer with nothing in it and an almost empty tank of gas.

Take the published weight add actual weight of the trailer then add 1000 lbs. and you should be close if the boat is dry and empty.

RB is right. I was in denial. He is absolutely correct. After towing it to the lake with dealer before papers were signed I realized people on here was right especially RB. Thanks for knocking some sense in my head before I wrecked a brand new truck or hurt someone. RB thanks bro.

Jake no one said anything about you....bro. What you do is your business. Love the sarcasm and the passive aggressive behavior. Are you a women or 16?

@RB.
That was a sincere apology. No sarcasm. I'm sorry you didn't take it in the spirit it written. Again you were right and I was wrong. No sarcasm. Sincere.

So, what boat are you debating now?

Nothin but love man. I don't know if your serious or not. Not going to lose sleep either way. But let me share this with you. I took a beating over on Tige owners on a very similar thread to this. I bought an Tige RZR last fall and knew it was right to the edge of my safe tow capacity. I was towing with a VW van and took a ton of crap for that. It had a 4500 lb capacity and was a work horse. Towed out 21 foot direct drive with no issues for 2 seasons. RZR was only 200 lbs more in rated dry weight. What I found is that all the manufacturers dry weights are what I would call a fabrication. People in the industry say they are without options or estimates or whatever to justify it and the brand loyal pimps say you should know they are low. How should we know I ask and was branded an idiot. It turns out my boat with a published dry weight of 3200 lbs when tested by an independent source weighed almost 4100 Lbs. People say thats options/fuel/ etc., dry weights are without options blah..blah blah. My boat is bare basic. Only option I have is a stainless rub rail and swivel racks. Tower and everything else is standard equipment on an RZR. I'm a little lighter than that tested boat but not much. That 3200 boat with a 900 lb single axle trailer is just shy of 5000 lbs on the scale with 1/4 fuel and the cover in the boat. So somewhere over 800 lbs snuck into my boat! LOL

Long story short is I already had purchased the thing and was feeling kinda stuck. We are in the process of upgrading houses so a new payment wasn't in the cards. It made me mad that the number I was using wasn't accurate. Then started hearing everyone say how the numbers across the industry aren't accurate. I was just trying to maybe help someone else out before they ended up in the position I was in. Thats all. I bet there are alot of people who would be pretty surprised if they ran their boats over the scale in what we refer to as "lake form". There might be a big difference between the number on the scale and what you thought your rig weighed. I bet it's not the 500 more than dry weight like you thought. I ended up buying a used Chevy crew, but it wasn't what I wanted to do. Especially now with gas jumping $1/gallon just this week.

Disclaimer: Yes I know I am an idiot for towing with a VW Van.

Wait jack so did you buy a boat?

Originally Posted by nitrousbird

Don't forget the trailer weight and the fact a lot of these factory listed weights are low. I wouldn't doubt at all that a 23 MB would weigh 6000lbs fueled up on a trailer.

Yeah - I figured out later that he probably meant with the trailer and I just read it wrong...

FWIW 6k in a F150 should be cake all day. That is probably not a whole lot more than my X2 and my very very badly geared 98 tahoe which has zero problems towing the thing even on 35's. BTW - I was getting 11mpg with a 2004 X2 with lots of lead on a tandem trailer and the tahoe on 35's with factory 3.43's at normal 60-70 miles per hour.

Originally Posted by chattwake

Wait jack so did you buy a boat?

Yea, what boat did you buy? What boat are you coming from?

I'm so confused. Is this the same guy who said he also had purchased a supra sa350? Now he's thanking Exile for a stereo hookup after backing out of a 24mxz? Jack, did you end up with the 22mxz or what? I'm just trying to keep up.

Originally Posted by boardman74

Nothin but love man. I don't know if your serious or not. Not going to lose sleep either way. But let me share this with you. I took a beating over on Tige owners on a very similar thread to this. I bought an Tige RZR last fall and knew it was right to the edge of my safe tow capacity. I was towing with a VW van and took a ton of crap for that. It had a 4500 lb capacity and was a work horse. Towed out 21 foot direct drive with no issues for 2 seasons. RZR was only 200 lbs more in rated dry weight. What I found is that all the manufacturers dry weights are what I would call a fabrication. People in the industry say they are without options or estimates or whatever to justify it and the brand loyal pimps say you should know they are low. How should we know I ask and was branded an idiot. It turns out my boat with a published dry weight of 3200 lbs when tested by an independent source weighed almost 4100 Lbs. People say thats options/fuel/ etc., dry weights are without options blah..blah blah. My boat is bare basic. Only option I have is a stainless rub rail and swivel racks. Tower and everything else is standard equipment on an RZR. I'm a little lighter than that tested boat but not much. That 3200 boat with a 900 lb single axle trailer is just shy of 5000 lbs on the scale with 1/4 fuel and the cover in the boat. So somewhere over 800 lbs snuck into my boat! LOL

Long story short is I already had purchased the thing and was feeling kinda stuck. We are in the process of upgrading houses so a new payment wasn't in the cards. It made me mad that the number I was using wasn't accurate. Then started hearing everyone say how the numbers across the industry aren't accurate. I was just trying to maybe help someone else out before they ended up in the position I was in. Thats all. I bet there are alot of people who would be pretty surprised if they ran their boats over the scale in what we refer to as "lake form". There might be a big difference between the number on the scale and what you thought your rig weighed. I bet it's not the 500 more than dry weight like you thought. I ended up buying a used Chevy crew, but it wasn't what I wanted to do. Especially now with gas jumping $1/gallon just this week.

Disclaimer: Yes I know I am an idiot for towing with a VW Van.

Let's get one thing straight...you took a beating on Tigeowners because of your attitude, not your situation.

You are abrasive, a know it all at times and are quick to attack people when you disagree with them.

There are lots of very helpful people on both TO and here. Your attitude of wanting to argue with the majority of your posts will continue to not go over well.

When you were a cop, you probably gave out a lot of speeding tickets for 37 in a 35 didn't you?

Originally Posted by chattwake

I'm so confused. Is this the same guy who said he also had purchased a supra sa350? Now he's thanking Exile for a stereo hookup after backing out of a 24mxz? Jack, did you end up with the 22mxz or what? I'm just trying to keep up.

This

Originally Posted by Houstonshark

When you were a cop, you probably gave out a lot of speeding tickets for 37 in a 35 didn't you?

bwuahahaha

So what boat did you buy Exile speakers for? Any pics? We want pics!

TJ man not sure what I ever did to make you so angry. But as hard as I try I can't make everyone happy. I have really tried to be calm and more politically correct lately, mostly just for you. I'm sure you have tons of time, but you stalking me around the internet is getting a little old. Grow up.

Have never been much for getting or giving speeding tickets. I wasn't a traffic guy and probably can count on my hand the number I wrote over the years. I worked more in areas where they tried to keep me away from tended hearted people like you for fear that I might offend you. Which I have clearly done. Sorry man, nothin but love!!

http://www.tigeowners.com/forum/show...light=boardman

- Not picking sides, But you decide

Quit thread jacking guys!! I want to see Jake's new boat!!!!! With the sick new exile setup!!!!!!!

The wheels on the bus go round and round.Don't get caught under the bus!

I lost my mother today. I guess I knew it was coming and posting about new boat and speakers took my mind off of it temporarily. I'm petty torn up now so,if you are lucky enough to still have your mom take some extra time to tell her you love her. I will post pics when all is taken care of.

Sorry for your loss Jake.

My prayers go out to you and your family

Sorry for your loss. That can't be easy even if you were expecting it. Always comes to soon.

Originally Posted by bryce2320

http://www.tigeowners.com/forum/show...light=boardman

- Not picking sides, But you decide

Some people just love playing the victim.

That entire situation could be easily solved if the OP would put in a little effort before pitching a fit (just get your boat weighed). Then, a couple more adult decisions would solve any potential problems with the tow vehicle. Deciding to sell the boat for a loss was a pretty immature decision. Doing that results in a greater loss of money and no boat. He said he has access to other tow vehicles or he could easily trade the van for a more capable rig.