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Join Date: Apr 2008
03-28-2012, 6:12 PM
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I know not all states require rider down flags. but for those that do, what do you use? (other than your observer)
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Join Date: Jan 2012
03-28-2012, 6:20 PM
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There are some really good one's on ebay. comes with the flag attaches to the tower. My lake requires up all the time someone is out of the boat whether down or not. But this one is great b/c it comes with a screw so you can adjust the tension. just put it by the driver and flip up!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Skier-Down-F...item43a0b9d2ae
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Join Date: Sep 2008
03-28-2012, 6:33 PM
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Never heard of such a thing. What states require the flag?
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Join Date: Jan 2012
03-28-2012, 6:37 PM
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Pretty common i know MO does
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Join Date: Apr 2008
03-28-2012, 6:40 PM
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Originally Posted by nitrousbird
Never heard of such a thing. What states require the flag?
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AZ at least
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Join Date: Sep 2007
03-28-2012, 8:36 PM
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CA requires a flag. I really like the idea for warning other drivers to watch for someone in the water. I just moved to MN where it's not required and don't like it. I guess I could continue using my flag but if no one knows what it means I guess it won't help.
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Join Date: Jul 2010
03-28-2012, 9:01 PM
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Never heard of such a thing. What states require the flag?
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In AZ, you cannot have the flag in the holder while under way. So it would be pointless while riding. But you do need it up if you are floating, with people in the water. So I was told by a water cop.
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Join Date: Apr 2008
03-28-2012, 9:18 PM
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I've been told by two different sherrif boats out on the water that even master crafts auto/retract rider down flag cannot be declared as a valid rider down flag. But people still buy and use it either way
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Join Date: Apr 2007
03-29-2012, 1:28 AM
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I have the Flag Buddy. It works pretty good! The first year we used it, the ranger said that you have to put it down once the rider is up and riding. Got in trouble for that but we work around it. Just flip it up when the rider is starting out or down and you are good to go. I like it at a crowded lake because the flag is nice and high so other boats can spot it easily.
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Join Date: Jan 2012
03-29-2012, 5:01 AM
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Yep the flag buddy is the cheapest and best option out there IMO.
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Join Date: Jul 2010
03-29-2012, 6:12 AM
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I know it's nice to have while floating down river, but when you have a rider in the water, how hard is it to have someone hold it? Just saying....
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Join Date: Oct 2005
03-29-2012, 8:38 AM
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Would this flag work?? Just wanted to brighten everyones morning
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Join Date: Apr 2008
03-29-2012, 2:45 PM
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Sold!^^^^^
I know there are enough idiots out there anyway but sadly they don't always notice the rider down flag. I guess another way to look at is to ask some of the peeps on here another question. What states don't require a rider down flag and how dangerous is it?
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Join Date: Apr 2008
03-29-2012, 2:46 PM
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Not trying to stir anything up but I'm just curious about how other states cope without this law.
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Join Date: Sep 2011
03-29-2012, 3:39 PM
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Oh man if I had to use a flag id hate it so much....
You just power turn if the rider is in danger, thats how we cope. People usually aren't that dumb. And if they are dumb enough to drive up your ass or at your rideer they aren't gunna see your flag anyways...
That's why the only flags I allow in the boat are like Greg's
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Join Date: Jul 2005
03-29-2012, 3:58 PM
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I had made a holder for our tower to put up while we would swim around the boat and the sheriff gave us hell for it. Stated that it is only applicable for "skiers" in the water Stupid. I can uderstand the law but I think you should be allowed to have it at rest to notify people in the area that people are in the water.
Under California law, the display of a ski flag is mandatory to indicate a skier in the water, or a ski,
a line, or similar equipment in the immediate area. The display of the ski flag does not in itself restrict
the use of the water, but warns boaters operating in the area to exercise caution.
Boaters who see a red or orange flag being displayed should be on the lookout for a skier or equipment
in the water.
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Join Date: Oct 2009
03-29-2012, 4:31 PM
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Thanks Jess, I just ordered one. We'll give is a whirl!
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Join Date: Apr 2008
03-29-2012, 4:38 PM
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Going out tomorrow and gonna try out a new flag holder my friend designed for the Malibu illusion X tower had the prototype for a while and now he's putting it into production. I'll get some pics when he brings by the new mount. And when it's in use as well
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Join Date: Nov 2011
03-29-2012, 6:20 PM
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Hey Curtis,
How have you been? Are you back on the water yet?
No flags in Maryland. Must have spotter.
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Join Date: Apr 2008
03-29-2012, 9:24 PM
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Yo! I've been well! The dr just gave me the green light to start wake surfing again and walking the dog. I should be able to wake board in mid April. Hows house hunting?
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Join Date: Apr 2008
03-29-2012, 9:57 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2011
04-02-2012, 5:39 PM
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Curtis,
Still house hunting. Just got back from Orlando area. Florida has become an option again.
Did you guys get to try the new production model in use this weekend?
If so, let's see the pics!!
How is that AZ winter weather doing? Still great?
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Join Date: Apr 2008
04-03-2012, 9:24 AM
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AZ weather is awesome, water temp is up to 65. Didn't get a chance to test it out as the boat is in Dyer need of a tune up. Gonna probably attempt a voyage this week and take pics
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Join Date: Oct 2011
04-03-2012, 1:10 PM
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PA doesn't require a flag.
A serious, knowledgeable driver knows what a flag means, but I think that it can be difficult to see. I am always scanning the water for objects when driving and am very aware of others in the water around me.
But should someone be endangering my rider, I make sure I get them out of that situation. Either stopping myself and letting the rider ease into the water, positioning my boat between them and the other boat, or signalling to the rider we're turning around.
We ride in fairly non busy areas anyways. (spotter is required by law).
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Join Date: Apr 2008
04-04-2012, 10:25 PM
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Finally got the chance to post pics of the flag holder. Man this thing is stealth! You barely notice it unless you really look!
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Join Date: Apr 2008
04-04-2012, 10:27 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
04-04-2012, 10:40 PM
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If you have an illusion x tower, I recommend this accessory!
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Join Date: Apr 2008
04-04-2012, 10:44 PM
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Btw in the first pics, look closely at the t shirt in the back
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Join Date: Mar 2006
11-22-2012, 7:22 AM
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did these flag holders ever go into production?
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Join Date: Feb 2010
11-22-2012, 7:40 AM
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Your american laws sometimes boggle the mind. A sherrif gives you heck for floating with the boat and having the flag up because the person in the water did NOT have skis on and was NOT planning to water ski, just swim and you had the flag up for safety? Seems so far out there that the law enforcement would use that situation to show their power. We have no such laws in canada, but we also have a lot less people using the lakes so it's probably not necessary I guess. Some of the stories you guys tell about your water cops are just comical.
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Join Date: Apr 2008
11-22-2012, 8:01 AM
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did these flag holders ever go into production?
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Yes they did go into production. He has sold about 30 of them that i know of. He also sells them at our local boat dealer, Action Water Sports of AZ.
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Join Date: Aug 2006
11-22-2012, 8:15 AM
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In Minnesota the laws are a little more relaxed so far. If you have a mirror you don't need a third, you can ski from sun up to 1 hour after sunset, no flag needed anytime, you can always tell the people from out of state, the rider or skier does not need to wear a pfd just have to have one in the boat for the rider. That last one makes no sense but if you are a barefooter that one is nice because I don't think there are a lot of uscg approved barefoot suits. With over 10,000 lakes traffic on most lakes is not to bad, but there are some that get tons of traffic on them but those arn't worth trying to ride on at those times.
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Join Date: Apr 2006
11-22-2012, 11:39 AM
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I'm with you Levi. When I was at the wakeboard camp the local sheriff stopped us while we were towing someone to give us crap because the boats didn't have registration. ( Apparently they don't register them because they get the boats from Malibu as demos). I couldn't believe it. On our local lakes a cop won't come near us if anyone is moving. So you just have to be on the throttle anytime you see one if you are doing something you shouldn't. That's also if you do actually see a cop out on the water. Our local lakes are very rarely patrolled and the days they are out there...ie the stupid busy days, I'm not out there. The only change I now eastern canada has and quite a lot of states is alcohol on boats. Up here you can't have any unless you are over 30' I believe and I like the rule as long as the driver isn't drinking have at it. I still see the odd flag being waved. Better safe then sorry I guess.
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Join Date: Jul 2006
11-25-2012, 8:34 AM
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Hey DC, I'm in SoCal and I want one of those. I like how stealth the black ones are. How can I get one?
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Join Date: Apr 2008
11-25-2012, 5:04 PM
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went to his site ( www.bombwake.com) to get his contact info. shoot him an email or give his company number a call to get pricing and shipping info
Trian Georgeou
CEO Bomb Wake LLC
Trian@bombwake.com
4802794212
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Join Date: Feb 2013
01-11-2014, 9:21 AM
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I found a discount on the flag buddy tower or window mount. Save 20% use code flag buddy during checkout (with the space between words).
Enter and apply the coupon code after you enter your personal information and shipping choice.
http://caddiebuddy.com/water/
I just received my order and it looks like a quality product. I can't wait to use it n the boat this season!
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Join Date: Feb 2013
01-27-2014, 9:02 AM
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Just a few more days left for the flag buddy discount, for those interested.
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Join Date: Apr 2012
01-28-2014, 5:06 AM
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As said above about MN, most lakes aren't very busy. But when it does get busy, it can definitely be dangerous. I've had to power turn and go full throttle back to my rider a few times just to cut another boat or jetski off. And I've chased down and pulled up to a fair share of boats to yell at them for being too close. At least on my chain of lakes, very few wakeboats even know how to drive properly so it gets frustrating.
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Join Date: Mar 2012
01-28-2014, 6:02 AM
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^^^^That would be irritating. I'm not one for rules but at least the flag us easy to see and does give a good warning to other boats.
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Join Date: Dec 2005
01-28-2014, 8:58 AM
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So how would the flag rule have helped in RideGull's situation? I just don't see how they help? If someone is so stupid not to pay attention to what's going on around them, are they really going to pay attention to a flag in the boat?
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Join Date: Mar 2012
01-28-2014, 9:12 AM
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420sq!! Ill let a mother f'er know real quick and won't hesitate to slap him his mouth too if he doesn't understand what I'm telling him. Lol just saying safety is important. But here in ca. Where flags are mandatory if someone is standing in a boat waiving a flag it's real hard not too see and does definently work. I mean **** it definently doesn't hurt.
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Join Date: Mar 2012
01-28-2014, 9:26 AM
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Here's a example 40' approx. away with multiple colors around and my safety vest still sticks out and that's with my ****ty camera and alot of different contrast and textures on the lake a orange safety flag really pops.
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Join Date: Dec 2005
01-28-2014, 9:36 AM
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OK, Wally spots your flag. Now where is your downed rider?
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Join Date: Mar 2012
01-28-2014, 9:41 AM
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The flag is a indicator that a rider is in the water. Not saying its Wally proof,only a slap in the mouth is Wally proof but it IS better then nothing. #fact#hashtagsaregay
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Join Date: Aug 2013
01-28-2014, 9:48 AM
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OK, Wally spots your flag. Now where is your downed rider?
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I think he's in the s h i t t e r.
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Join Date: Mar 2012
01-28-2014, 10:05 AM
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Lol! Rider down!!
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Join Date: May 2013
Location: Vancouver WA
01-28-2014, 1:33 PM
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There are some really good one's on ebay. comes with the flag attaches to the tower. My lake requires up all the time someone is out of the boat whether down or not. But this one is great b/c it comes with a screw so you can adjust the tension. just put it by the driver and flip up!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Skier-Down-F...item43a0b9d2ae
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I have a flag buddy and we had it in the up position while we were floating with the kids swimming off the back of the boat. It was a summer weekday and and I had a local marine sherrif that had nothing to do come over to us and tell us that we had to have the flag HELD by a spotter and not just in the up position.
This is the Oregon Law:
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(7) No person shall operate any boat used for towing water skis, surfboards or similar devices on the waters of this state unless the boat is equipped with and displays a warning flag as follows:
(a) The warning flag, also known as the skier down flag, shall be international orange or red in color and shall be at least 12 inches in height and 12 inches in width.
(b) When any person being towed by the boat becomes disengaged from the towline and is down in the water, a person in the boat shall immediately display the warning flag aloft, visible from all sides, as an indicator to other boats in the area that a person is down in the water. As long as the downed person is in the water, the flag shall remain displayed to prevent danger to that person and hazards to passing boats.
(c) The warning flag described in this section shall be displayed only under the conditions set forth in paragraph (b) of this subsection or when other imminent danger exists
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I disagree with the Sherrif's interpretation of "display". Because I can "display" the flag by rotating it in the Flag buddy to a visible position. To me, "display" doesn't mean that it needs to be physically held.
Anyway, we appeased him until he was out of sight. What a toolbag.
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Join Date: Jan 2004
01-28-2014, 2:01 PM
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Ropes and handles should be hi vis too.
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Join Date: Jul 2010
01-28-2014, 3:20 PM
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If there is a bunch of boats around whats the point in wakeboarding anyways? I guess if you are surfing.
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Join Date: Mar 2012
01-28-2014, 5:58 PM
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Surfing is stupid.
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Join Date: Mar 2011
01-28-2014, 8:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TeamAllen
I found a discount on the flag buddy tower or window mount. Save 20% use code flag buddy during checkout (with the space between words).
Enter and apply the coupon code after you enter your personal information and shipping choice.
http://caddiebuddy.com/water/
I just received my order and it looks like a quality product. I can't wait to use it n the boat this season!
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Been using my flag buddy for a number of years now and several of my buddies have seen it and got one as well. They work great.
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Join Date: Jun 2011
01-28-2014, 9:11 PM
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Surfing is stupid.
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Says 35 year old with "420" in his name.
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Join Date: Mar 2012
01-29-2014, 7:30 AM
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^lol good point it's been my handle for over 10 years now can't change it. But surfing is still stupid. If your knees can't handle wake boarding why not skate?just as fast fun and challenging and not messing up the butter doing the same thing over and over. Just my opinion figured somebody wouldn't like it. Lol
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Join Date: Mar 2012
01-29-2014, 7:31 AM
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Oh ya "burn it down dude!!"
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Join Date: Apr 2012
01-31-2014, 5:39 AM
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So how would the flag rule have helped in RideGull's situation? I just don't see how they help? If someone is so stupid not to pay attention to what's going on around them, are they really going to pay attention to a flag in the boat?
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Exactly.
I'm sure the flag helps in some areas, but i wish boating etiqutte and safety was enforced more in general.
At least around here, way too many people going fast through channels, coming within 50' of a rider (law is 150'), drunk driving, and improper/unsafe use of jet skis.
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Join Date: Sep 2008
01-31-2014, 6:07 AM
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In NJ you gotta have a flag up a few feet above the highest point of your boat when riding. It's kinda ridiculous, because everyone forgets to take them down and by the afternoon virtually every boat less than 25 feet is flying a flag. My holder? Two zip ties.
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Join Date: Jan 2004
01-31-2014, 2:27 PM
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In CA the flag also means ropes are out. So most give a good distance once they learn the rules. Idiots will be idiots so you can't stop an idiot with your flag but you can wave that flag to get their attention maybe.
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Join Date: Jan 2004
01-31-2014, 2:35 PM
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Would this flag work?? Just wanted to brighten everyones morning
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This is the kind of flag holder you should be looking for if you don't have one yet.
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