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01-23-2014, 8:49 AM
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Was out on Texas Mastercraft's new showroom (next door to the old one) earlier this week and was able to snap some photos of the first new body X-Star that TXMC has in the showroom now. Really cool to see and worth stopping by for!
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01-23-2014, 8:52 AM
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Man, look at all that foam. Good thing it has that or it would sink.
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01-23-2014, 9:00 AM
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If they used wood in the structure instead of foam they wouldn't need wood to prop the flimsy thing up.
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01-23-2014, 9:52 AM
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Wow, super cool pics. Would love to look at this close up myself. thanks for posting.
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01-23-2014, 10:19 AM
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If they used wood in the structure instead of foam they wouldn't need wood to prop the flimsy thing up.
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01-23-2014, 10:31 AM
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Man, look at all that foam. Good thing it has that or it would sink.
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damnit, came here to say this
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01-23-2014, 10:34 AM
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It would need to be cheaper than half-price for me to buy it... It doesn't have half an engine!
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01-23-2014, 10:35 AM
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Whew, this thread is gonna get out of hand real quick!
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01-23-2014, 11:38 AM
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^^^^^^yup
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01-23-2014, 11:41 AM
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That's awesome! Thanks for sharing the pics with us.
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01-23-2014, 1:15 PM
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I've seen that MC wrap before on a German pro series tour boat...
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01-23-2014, 2:55 PM
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That's pretty cool. I wonder how they did that. Cut away's are not as easy as you would think.
It would be cool to see side by side how each manufacture makes each boat.
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01-23-2014, 3:01 PM
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G, that would be fabulous. I'm afraid many would be exposed!
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01-23-2014, 3:09 PM
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dat foam...
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01-23-2014, 3:29 PM
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It's nice to see uniform hull thickness as well as deck and floors.
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01-23-2014, 3:46 PM
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It's nice to see uniform hull thickness as well as deck and floors.
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What else did you expect from the world's leading manufacture and all-around good guys?
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01-23-2014, 4:23 PM
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I would prefer to not know what it looks like cut-away. That way I could still believe there's something inside that makes it sooo expensive.
Joking! Kind of......
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01-23-2014, 4:24 PM
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The hollow ones are not exactly inexpensive!
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01-23-2014, 4:51 PM
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The hollow ones are not exactly inexpensive!
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They must have taken their sponsors and advertising dollars out of the hollow cavities when they cut it in half - so you can't see where the real cost of the boat is.
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Join Date: Jun 2005
01-23-2014, 5:59 PM
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And I have to add. If Mastercraft did this Prop's to them. It takes alot of Industry Balls to do this. Not only for the fact that they scrapped a 100K boat but putting your work out their for everyone to pick apart. Im glad to see Voids and imperfections in the Foam area's because that's very normal and that's how foam can lay out. Im glad to see some one didn't come back and touch up or add fill to make it look pretty. Makes me have a bit more trust for the rest of the cut away. Its cool to see how thick certain walls or materials are. and the different layers involved. Back when Malibu was touting how strong the Transoms of the boats that had a wedge installed Very few knew and saw what a stock Malibu transom looked like and how minimum it was I doubt they wanted the public to see that aera of the boat or for that matter cut a boat in 1/2 and put it up to be criticized. So Props to MC for lifting up your skirt
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01-23-2014, 6:02 PM
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And I have to add. If Mastercraft did this Prop's to them. It takes alot of Industry Balls to do this. Not only for the fact that they scrapped a 100K boat but putting your work out their for everyone to pick apart. Im glad to see Voids and imperfections in the Foam area's because that's very normal and that's how foam can lay out. Im glad to see some one didn't come back and touch up or add fill to make it look pretty. Makes me have a bit more trust for the rest of the cut away. Its cool to see how thick certain walls or materials are. and the different layers involved. Back when Malibu was touting how strong the Transoms of the boats that had a wedge installed Very few knew and saw what a stock Malibu transom looked like and how minimum it was I doubt they wanted the public to see that aera of the boat or for that matter cut a boat in 1/2 and put it up to be criticized. So Props to MC for lifting up your skirt
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MC has lifted more skirts than Tige has lifted hull designs!
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01-23-2014, 6:25 PM
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G, that would be fabulous. I'm afraid many would be exposed!
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Exposed to what? Thanks for the pics btw. The hulls only get exposed when they fail. Of the major brands, how many have failed? Basically it doesnt matter what each company does to build their boats, as long as it functions as designed. There is more than one way to build a bridge.
With all that being said, I want those orange seats in my Axis. Those look sick. Btw, i dont hate mastercraft, just not rich enough yet to own one. I visit my local mastercraft dealer more than I do my Axis dealer.
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01-23-2014, 7:23 PM
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A failure doesn't have to occur for a boat to have better components and more expensive build techniques does it?
Does a Camry have to fail to prove that a Lexus is better built?
It's not a knock on Camry. Many of those who purchase a Camry could easily buy a Lexus but they choose not to for whatever reason.
I love that people are passionate about boats and I don't have anything against any of them but MC gets dogged on WW and they build one of the two best built tow boats in the industry. But for some reason everyone dogs them. The boat cut in half proves that they put more in hull construction than anyone, even if there isn't enough perceived content inside. The other manufacturers do less and still command a high price. What does that say about them?
More content. Stronger stringers and hulls. That can't be denied no matter how much you hate them or think they are over priced. All tow boats are too dang expensive if you ask me.
And for the record I can't afford any of them so I'm strictly a cheerleader, respectfully.
And, as always, "in my opinion"
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01-23-2014, 8:28 PM
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Craig I know you've been away for awhile now but MC doesn't get dogged much on WW anymore. We all dog Ti-guh now.
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01-23-2014, 9:16 PM
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I dont see $100,000 in no way shape or form !
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01-24-2014, 6:41 AM
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Don't forget that this was the official release boat.
MC soon after went back and redesigned the '13 xstar before it was put into production.
There's nothing they really could have done with this boat besides scrap it.
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Join Date: Oct 2008
01-24-2014, 7:09 AM
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Ride, all of the first prototypes are scrapped. Those boats endure 100's of hours of validation and testing. They are not going to end up on the showroom for sale. Do you think the first prototype G was sold as a new boat to someone? Would you be ok if you bought a new boat and found out it had 300 hours of prior abuse by people trying to basically see how it would hold up in worst conditions? Come on now...
By no means is this an XStar only thing.
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01-24-2014, 9:15 AM
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Very cool to see inside the boat. Makes me want to drive over and see in person! I really respect the efforts all manufacturers put into these boats. Look back what we had 20 yrs ago and see the progression, we had direct drives with skylons!
Look 3 years back, and see how many new designs have been put out. I think competition only benefits us, the customers
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01-24-2014, 9:58 AM
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Ride, all of the first prototypes are scrapped. Those boats endure 100's of hours of validation and testing. They are not going to end up on the showroom for sale. Do you think the first prototype G was sold as a new boat to someone? Would you be ok if you bought a new boat and found out it had 300 hours of prior abuse by people trying to basically see how it would hold up in worst conditions? Come on now...
By no means is this an XStar only thing.
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Easy there.
I never said it was an xstar only thing.
It seemed like a few people thought this was a normal xstar worth over 100k.
I was just pointing out that this wasn't a final production boat.
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01-24-2014, 10:14 AM
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So there was more foam in the final production boats....I see.
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01-24-2014, 10:17 AM
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They probably also used the green foam made from shredded hundred dollar bills.
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01-24-2014, 10:19 AM
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I think the green foam actually came from envy.
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01-24-2014, 10:20 AM
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01-24-2014, 10:40 AM
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The Envy...isn't that the new Centurion?
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01-24-2014, 11:05 AM
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Funny that some are expecting to see $100k in materials in these boats (not just MC). Things like R&D, marketing, employee expenses (incentives and benefits), basic overhead costs like buildings and tools, taxes and regulations, etc, etc are all part of final pricing. Don't forget the dealers and component suppliers get to make money, too. Nobody is in business to be a non-profit or just to break even.
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01-24-2014, 11:17 AM
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If they only knew what the others looked like..
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01-24-2014, 11:31 AM
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So there was more foam in the final production boats....I see.
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This had nothing to do with foam.
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01-24-2014, 11:53 AM
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Why is there foam in the boat? For structural support? What is the official sales spin on this low cost manufacturing process?
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01-24-2014, 12:10 PM
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Isn't there a requirement for a certain amount of floatation from foam or other by the US Coast Guard or something like that? I imagine that with all the space that used to be for floatation now being used for ballast tanks, it's more difficult to find places to fit the foam.
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Join Date: Oct 2008
01-24-2014, 12:12 PM
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no foam requirements my friend. only 2 use foam.
some of the other boats, such as a Sanger, actually use cedar and mahogany stringers.
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@Hey. j/k
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01-24-2014, 12:15 PM
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It would be alot more interesting to hear how the boat was actually cut in 2 than harping about a little foam used here and there. If this was an 80's structural design with foam poured encapsulating wooden stringers I could see the issue. But, a few voids filled with foam...so what?
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01-24-2014, 12:22 PM
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Extra buoyancy and noise dampening. You can look at it 2 ways I guess.
1) They go above and beyond all but 1 other manufacturer
2) So what?
Have you ridden in one on a weekend day with foam compared to one without? Happy wife. Happy life.
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Join Date: Jan 2004
01-24-2014, 12:28 PM
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My MC fell apart, they said I used the boat too much. Haven't had that issue with Sanger.
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Join Date: Oct 2008
01-24-2014, 12:44 PM
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They're all made with overkill techniques and they all hold up just fine. Originally just wanted to share the photos so those who haven't actually seen what boat look like beneath the floor could take a peak. Sure, it looks like a simple process and it looks like you don't get much for your money. But when you think that the entire boat is hand crafted it's pretty amazing how they all turn out.
It's always fun to have a good time with everyone and their brand loyalty and passion. It's all good.
Thanks to everyone who commented on this thread.
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01-24-2014, 12:45 PM
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And by all I meant all brands. Wasn't referring to all MC's.
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01-24-2014, 12:57 PM
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If you want to see how you build a boat without foam just watch the lamination video on sangerboats.com the use of foam is discussed and wood is sported.
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01-24-2014, 1:07 PM
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You just lost all credibility.
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01-24-2014, 2:21 PM
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My MC fell apart, they said I used the boat too much. Haven't had that issue with Sanger.
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Sure. That's what they said...
Just for the record, I loved my Sanger...but my Mastercraft with 1000 hours runs, drives, handles, handles chop, and gets girls WAY better than my Sanger with 200 hours did...
Thanks for posting those pics!
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01-24-2014, 7:03 PM
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Is the top cap glassed to the lower hull? My MC had pop rivets holding on the rubrail which also held topdeck to hull. They worked loose and fell out. Water came in. Never made 500 hours. We might have used it harder than they planned. Still building them that way?
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01-24-2014, 7:14 PM
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It's just taped
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01-25-2014, 8:11 AM
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Nice job Texas MasterCraft great idea!!!! If anyone ever gets a chance while in Tennessee and you care about how a boat is built the MasterCraft factory tour is a must. They are so good at the details its an easy brand to fall in love with. Beware though don't drink the cool aid.
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Join Date: Jan 2004
01-25-2014, 8:47 AM
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I see pop rivets
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01-25-2014, 8:52 AM
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They tried pop rivets on a Sanger but they shot all the way through the boat and injured one of the laminate guys working on the other side of the boat.
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01-25-2014, 10:00 AM
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The foam is there because when a MC hits something hard the fins get pushed through the hull leaving big holes so the foam gives you more time to swim for it. If it hasn't sunk already from pop rivets working loose and falling out.
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01-25-2014, 10:04 AM
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Dude, there were more people at the local donut shop this morning than at the entire Sanger factory. I use factory lightly. More light assembly garage. ha
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01-25-2014, 10:22 AM
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Where is MCs video tour of the factory showing every step and explaining why they build what they build?
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01-25-2014, 10:32 AM
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I think it's on their website. Does Sanger have one of those?
Lol
No bs.. Sanger does make one of the best barefoot boats out there.
It's because the fiberglass is so thin it lightens up the boat.
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01-25-2014, 10:32 AM
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Lol
I gotta get back to work man. That's for the banter. Lol
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01-25-2014, 1:29 PM
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No bs here...I just have firsthand experience.
They really are still held together by pop rivets? Please show me I'm wrong.
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01-25-2014, 6:35 PM
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Anybody have a pic of Lon's boat sinking on Pedro? Post here please...I know you have it.
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01-25-2014, 11:40 PM
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Too bad it only puts out a goofy surf wave. Totally a deal breaker for me.
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01-25-2014, 11:41 PM
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02-01-2014, 7:05 PM
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So it is still just pop riveted. WOW that's quality?
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02-01-2014, 7:17 PM
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We're in the middle of 10 long days at boat show but no pop rivets my friend.
I did get some good insight on the Sanger barefooted. They actually said it was a really good boat. No BS
Perhaps second to Malibu Flightcraft only?
Not bad.. Not bad.
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02-01-2014, 8:06 PM
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Malibu has a Flightcraft? Betting the new 2014 ProStar runs circles around any past or present barefoot boats, Sagner included
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02-01-2014, 8:37 PM
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When it comes to competition barefooting Sanger is #1 , all others will sit parked unless there is no Sanger.
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Can you post better pics of the bow and transom to show how they are attached? That would be cool to see.
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02-03-2014, 12:29 PM
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When it comes to competition barefooting Sanger is #1 , all others will sit parked unless there is no Sanger.
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Please stop and think for moment or get behind the wheel of the 14 Prostar before making a comment like this...
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02-04-2014, 10:24 AM
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What I said is just a widely known fact.
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02-04-2014, 12:18 PM
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02-04-2014, 8:53 PM
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In my opinion Malibu bought flightcraft then the flightcraft guy took Malibus money and moved to Calif and started Wakecraft. Uh oh my opinion could be fact.
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02-04-2014, 8:54 PM
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Tell me all about that barefoot edition prostar too.
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02-04-2014, 9:05 PM
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Which one? Theres been a bunch. Tell me about those rotten stringers in your sanger?
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02-05-2014, 9:49 AM
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Well it's a 1990 and no rot, no foam just solid quality construction. Sangers been building boats since 1954. Family owned still.
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02-05-2014, 9:55 AM
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Sanger is the only company that does not limit the amount of horsepower you can bolt into a Sanger hull.
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02-05-2014, 10:00 AM
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If you ski in barefoot tournaments you won't be skiing a mastercraft. They just don't build anything that works for wake slalom. Fact.
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Coming soon. priceless......
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If you ski in barefoot tournaments you won't be skiing a mastercraft. They just don't build anything that works for wake slalom. Fact.
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Who tells you these outlandish things? Are you typing these replies from the sanger garage/factory? And what is wake slalom? have you heard of the 2014 Prostar?
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02-06-2014, 9:05 AM
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I don't normally take part in Boat Bashing but the Sanger link is pretty funny. Im sure it will get changed or removed soon so for historic recall I copied and pasted the web page
click on Sanger Craftsmanship and you get
COMMING SOON
LOL LOL LOL
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