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.My gosh people......... if cwb and hunter and whoever else wants to brag or be proud of what they own or act like a know it all.......... then so be it. You 'calling' them out isnt stopping them, changing their opinion, or altering what they say.
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Look M hunter were famous!!!!LOL:D:D:D
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I'm not tired of seeing what they say. Sometimes this stuff is hard to hear.
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If it wasn't for these two then I would have no one to direct my cheeky comments at...
I for one support their "we love our brand and don't care who knows" attitude. The world needs more loyalty! I wish someone would start an thread about me :( |
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You know what I hate? When people take their own bias and feelings and pawn it off as fact when people ask questions about boats. That's why I respond to their comments. Being proud and misinforming people are two incredibly different things. Apparently we should give them a free pass, and let them continue to screw up boat thread after boat thread. I expect more logic and less antagonistic comments from men over the age of 50, not loaded questions, backhanded compliments to competing brands, and passive aggressive statements. Your point was made in another thread, I don't think you needed to start a separate one. |
Everybody has a bias toward their own . This all started back when the MB boys were taking shots at Nautique . Do you remember the endless barrage of false information . I put up with it for a long time then I spoke out to bring out the facts. It was then the war started. There are only about 6-8 members that I constantly have problems with . Funny its the same members that were pumping MB by slamming CC. I will admit my aim on the G23 thread was to Hype the new boat maybe I got a little carried away but after 35000 hits I would say it was a success. How is that any different than Chattwake hyping the Axis or the new surfgate? I remember when he did the same thing for CC. Nobody here says anything about his bias toward his brand. There are some members that can say anything and other members that get slammed for everything . Both Robert and I are just the flavor of the month there have been many before us and will be others after. I have big shoulders and the petty attacks and baiting doesn't bother me a bit . I rather enjoy a heated debate and I think there are a lot more like me but wont ever admit it . Its the controversy that brings out the posts and by the time its done all arguments have been heard. Isn't that why we are here or would you rather me just go with the flow and agree with everyone? The fact is I dont hate any brand I just prefer some over others . Can anyone here say they dont feel the same?
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Hey MHunter you would like to know a buddy of mine in Portland got a pull behind the G23. And he said it was the best stock wake he's ever ridden.
I then asked if it was 80k better then my Moomba, He just lol'd me... .. So when does yours get delivered? |
I have to laugh,all the USUAL SUSPECTS have come in this and every other thread to add their 3cents.Why 3cents, because they are the true all knowing ones who spout off whatever they feel is gospel.They don't have to provide DATA. They just put their SPIN on it and run with it.They aren't Loayal to any brand,they're loyal to the flavor of the month.Whoever is providing them with a Promo of the day.They are part of a boys club that has each others back.Sure M Hunter and I make some claims they don't agree with,but so does everyone else on Wakeworld. HELLO this is a discussion board.The only reason for them to challenge our statements is they believe they are all knowing.Now if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black,i don't know what is.Other members just like to stir the pot.But one member is just jealous because he would like to own a boat,he just hasn't been able to pull the trigger.M Hunter and i defend ourselves and we get blamed for raiding other peoples threads.If you look at any of those threads the BOYS CLUB has come in to say we are making false claims.If you read the threads other WW members will agree with us,but the Boys club skips over them like they weren't even there.In the end it looks like M Hunter and myself are the bad guys.When in all actuality we just expressed our opinion like everyone on WW is supposed to do,but we get mobbed by the BOYS CLUB!Me i don't care.It's kind of like i'm famous like John Boy said"If they would just leave us alone we wouldn't respond".The BOYS CLUB are the real reasons these threads are 5 pages long.
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Robert its only bc RyanXstars new thread pretty much threw away everyone's reason to go crazy on someone. He seems normal and I think it threw a link into everyone's online lively hood haha. Cherish these moments bc they won't last forever haha.
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The G23 is way out of my league although I might be able to afford one I have no desire to own or operate such a large boat. Now a G21 that may be a different story. Disclaimer I like Moombas I think they are one of the best boats in there class. |
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Your boys club comment/label shows again your looking for an argument. Call it whatever you will, sadly your another example of a 50 year old acting more like a child than their age... In summary, Tige4Me and Mhunter, grow up. If you don't want people to call you out, stop posting bs. |
MATT try going over to Tige Owners and read some of the threads perspective owners posted.There are well over 20 different people who have tested both MC and Tige and come to the conclusion Tige's handle better loaded and unweighted than MC. They all share my opinion,so yours must be the different opinion.But most of them preferred the MC interior,but felt the Tige had too many positives to pass up.:D
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My point was you slipped the "handles better" comment in the same sentence you mentioned unbiased boat test websites. I don't think that was an accident. Yes, my opinion must be the different one. You could teach a class in passive aggressive responses. Just for grins and giggles, how about the links to 20 threads where different owners claimed the Tige out-handled the competing Mastercraft. Since you claim well over 20, 20 should be easy. |
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Do you have something against 50 year olds ? By your posts Im guessing you are a 20 something .You still have a lot to learn before you get to 50. I dont mind people calling me out you get what you give .But don't worry little guy I'm sure the other club members will be along to comfort you. As for hyping the product yes I did and will do again the difference you dont see is it is truly my opinion. I get nothing from CC in return . I have no sweetheart deal that gives me a new boat at cost if I hype the brand to others. |
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What do I have to learn in the next 20 years? That I should be blind to true facts or incorrectly call sponsored statements facts, have absolute bias, and waste time hyping a brand that I don't get any special deals on? Please explain to me what I have to learn at 50 that you so eloquently demonstrate in your wakeworld posts. I know you don't have a deal with CC, that's what makes your posts even more ridiculous. Quote:
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DAVE PLEASE delete this thread.This BS is ruining your site.This site is becoming like an elementary school playground.^^LOL at least the water is calm in that pict.
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[QUOTE=MattieK27;1769103]I have something against 50 year olds that make bs claims and get aggravated when people call them out.
What do I have to learn in the next 20 years? That I should be blind to true facts or incorrectly call sponsored statements facts, have absolute bias, and waste time hyping a brand that I don't get any special deals on? Please explain to me what I have to learn at 50 that you so eloquently demonstrate in your wakeworld posts. I know you don't have a deal with CC, that's what makes your posts even more ridiculous. Manors for one . If the so called sponsored statements end up being true then what do you call it. Maybe I was just ahead of my time? |
I obtain all my "DATA" about wakeboarding, hitting rails and picking up chicks from Shredtron . It's science.
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I think the boat looks awesome too! Probably will out handle a..............oops i almost slipped!:D
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I'm confused, what do you mean by manors.... like a giant mansion? Are you trying to win this discussion by bragging about how big your house is? 50 years should be long enough to pick up basic spelling... just saying. |
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It takes Matt a little while to get from the computer room to the research room and back in the Manor!
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While I share a passion for my brand, we all do, there's a way to display it and there's a way not to display. This is how you don't display it. And everyone calling them out isn't helping at all. The only one that's funny is Troy D.... |
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So then correct me if I'm wrong. You're posting in this thread just to irritate cwb4me and mhunter. If you cared youd just go look. You're not better than either of them.
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hahahaha this thread sucks but the pictures make it so worth it! Chatt your too funny man those pics are awesome. I was dieing at the shredtron ones and then saw the "MANORS 50 years in the making" and died a little more.
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And no, you're stirring the pot, just trying to get them going so no, you aren't any better. In fact I'm beginning to stoop to your level because I'm calling you out.... At least I admit it though. |
Look M Hunter were up to 50 posts and over 1200 views! We will be really famous soon!:DLOL
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Matt 50 posts and 1200 views and no backing from the other club members you may have been thrown out :(
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Mhunter....I doubt he would.
And I would have a hard time paying that for "any" boat if I could...lol We agree that most Top end boats are close in price. I bought a Moomba for a couple reasons.....And price was one of them. I hope my fellow Moomba owners dont get mad at me.......but they are not as nice as others in interior plushness. But it is a "blue collar" boat and I'm a blue coller guy. Oh and good luck with your thread....lol |
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The original poster suggested that the WWBC lay off M Hunter and me.You now see it's not me and M Hunter that are posting the most but the WWBC is in full swing. Let the beatings continue until posting improves. That horse is still moving..............I think?
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Tige boats may handle better than MC (mostly because their hulls are half the thickness and their seats are made of mesh) but fact is, and this is important to many buyers including me, that the word "Mastercraft" is pronounced like its spelled, whereas I don't think anyone knows the way to say Tie-Ga, Teej, Tee-Ga, Tieg, or whatever. So call me a hater all day and all night, but I refuse to be seen in a boat where no matter how you pronounce it's name, it sounds French. It even has that damn thing above the "e"!!!
We've learned enough from two world wars and the "Tour de France" that when poker players say "I folded like the French army" they ain't talking about the French military doing laundry. CWB4ME's worst nightmare, a 2013 XStar "stars and stripes" edition pulling up with Lance Armstrong at the helm, Springsteen on the radio, and Zane Schwenk filming a new Mastercraft vs Tige Commercial . Where's your tracking fins now? |
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I wouldn't go bragging about the thickness of a hull that is a thin fiberglass sandwich with foam in between but that's just me.
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Don't tell me he only posts the facts . He posts the facts that promote the brand. I never saw anything about the bad designed swim platform until he got his replaced probably for free. Platform problems won't sell boats so it wasn't mentioned. I have no problem with him as a salesman but I dont see him as a source of fact with out an agenda. I have no agenda other than being a true fan of the brand . If I post something not true I expect to be corrected not blasted for my skills,age,spelling or loyalty to my brand. I have been accused as being bias. I think that is true I do think Nautique is the best brand on the water. That's not to say all others are bad . Why do so many take offence to that I find it hard to believe that anybody would spend so much on a product they think is only second best. |
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I have a real job, which, unfortunately, in no way involves selling or promoting boats. I just happen to love the sport, so I waste a lot of time talking about boats, riding, etc. Oh, and as to the longevity of my old boats, I keep up with the folks that I have sold boats to. I interact with the local dealers (regardless of brand) in my area. I try to keep my ear to the ground in terms of what, if any, problems people are experiencing with their boats, and factor that in to my decision as to what to buy in the future. |
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Serioulsy - all of you ....grow up. Yeah, we are all happy with what we own or we wouldn't own it. Bottom line is NO ONE IN HERE IS RIGHT. This can't and won't be solved in a thread, in person, over the phone or whatever. People have opinion. Deal with it. Take it for what it is. It is a message board about boats. Thread comes up about a boat, why can't someone give there opinion in that thread about that boat or "their brand" if they want to? When people say they are talking "fact"...what is a "fact" about a boat. It floats, it's made of fiberglass and it has a motor! Seriously...everything about the wake and wave ARE OPINIONS. Anyone taking whatever some stranger put in a MESSAGE BOARD about the wake and wave as FACT is simply an idiot. Grow up - have some common sense. Have some common courtesy. This place is for OPINIONS of people. I like opinions. I like reading them. I like hearing about YOUR BOAT. I want to know what YOU THINK is the greatest part of YOUR BOAT. That doesn't make it fact. I have no issue with anyone when they post what they like and dislike about their boat, or boats they have been in or even seen. It has helped me get into the boat I am in now. I love my boat. That is partially because of all of you. You posted your OPINIONS of your boats and it helped me make my decision. Facts are things you can get out of a brochure. NONE OF WHAT WE POST HERE IS FACT. It is all opinion, as to what you like and dislike. So please, as much as this thread is funny at times we all need to grow up and not bash eachother personally. To disagree about someone's opinion is what this place is all about. Heated talks are great, and even the occasional "you are wrong" is fine. But to just bash a few guys about what they think, or bash a guy about his opinion and how he flips boats every year is just plain retarded. Be men...grow up. |
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You're right, the thread is ridiculous. But so is every other boat thread these two have invaded. I say this is a step in the right direction, by responding here neither of them have taken the time to attack the G23/Xstar thread yet... |
Chatt - exactly!
Matt - While I understand your possible frustration I am not sure what they are doing is all that bad. They love the boats they are in. He posts alot about it. He is happy with what he bought and wants to tell people about it. I can understand all about that. Hell, I love my boat. I can't even tell you what it is without someone bashing me for having it because it is two letters that everyone says is overhyped. Why is that. Why can't I talk about the boat I love? Why do we all go soooo negative on eachother for opinions? I have been in this sport a very short time. 5 years exactly. I have 4 small kids. I hoped this WW Community and the community in general in regards to boarding and surfing we much more laid back than this. I just don't see how acting worse than my 4 and 6 year old solves anything? So he posts pictures, so he posts in every thread like you say. So what. Hell, I post alot too. Does that make me like him? I have posted how great my boat is when I owned another brand. I have posted how great I think my currect brand is. Does that make my opinion less worthy? I have talked in a less than positive way about a few brands. Does that make it provoking to others? Look, all I am saying is we all have different opinions on boards, boats, chicks, everything (had to throw chicks in there...need a good picture here to calm the water...CHATT hook me up...hot, small swim suit...you know the drill). Let's just agree that we can disagree and still have a great thread about something. I have learned SOOOO MUCH about wakeboard and surfing from guys just like you. Honestly, sometimes I learn more about what you don't like about another brand than what you do like about yours. I expect you to love yours. You can talk more freely about something you don't own, but have ridden behind. Simple thing is....just be MEN and act like MEN. Agree you can disagree. To name call, bash personally or whatever just seems childish. I know I am older than most people on here, but c'mon you guys are all grown men. My rant over....oh and CHATT hook this thread up...I know a hot one in a small suit will push this conversation in a different direction. |
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Passive to both in reality. Want the bickering on who is right and wrong to cease. Not sure 2 people are worth all these issues while just posting opinions. thought that was why we were all here.
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See - I feel better!! Don't you Matt?? Butts make things all better. HA...so much easier of a life to be positive and upbeat and look at girls butts than bicker over the internet about something that will never get solved.
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Chatt - seriously all that work this morning...(me typing you post pics) and they are back it.....I give up...lol
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Well this has gone on long enough.So i will take Scotts advice and be the bigger man This will be my last post in this thread.But don't worry Matt even though i couldn't figure out how to post those 20 threads i do know how to post pictures.:D
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Wow! That's one of the coolest looking boats I've ever seen. What year is that Robert? Great colors.
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You are a much better writer than I am . That is the way it should be . I didn't start this Thread I was called out by name . I didn't just go after Chatt he was dragged in and used as a weapon .If what I said is not true then correct me but that is my OPINION. Many times I have been accused as posting false information as fact but its rare that I am corrected with true facts most of the time its addressed with slander and ridicule. The fact is there is a special group here now known as the WWBC that can say anything against anyone without any repercussions .[ Check out the post making fun of Mentally challenged people.Wow now that's funny . ] Robert and I are not the first to be treated this way how many others have been run off this forum. Its kinda funny I never have these arguments on any other forum [Well maybe MC but I dont post there anymore] Why does it only happen here. Maybe the WWBC just brings out the worst in me. |
Wow Robert I have read a lot of good things about Tige [Thats tiger with out the r for those that dont know how to pronounce it] and I see why you are so proud. How could anyone knock something so beautiful?
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Robert, did you get your clamping board racks yet? I have what is supposed to be the final version with the new bump stops which are pretty cool.
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mhunter. I never said that chat only posts facts, I said he posts facts and opinions and does not confuse the two. Big difference.
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Not so easy to go it alone is it . You keep asking for the 20 threads from Robert . What about the false claims you said the Nautique riders and I made wile hyping the G before it was launched. I ask again for the third time WHAT DID I SAY ABOUT THE G23 THAT WASNT TRUE? I guess its easier to hold someone else to a higher standard than to apply that standard to yourself. Answer the question on retract the statement. |
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I don't consider quoting paid rider comments over and over in an Xstar thread as speaking in truths, but hey if you consider that truthful that's your choice. Do you typically believe every advertisement for products? My favorite comment in the Xstar thread was you pointing to the first 1080 in competition behind the G23, even though it was a bs double up extra and not a regular run. After that comment you asked the loaded question "what new tricks have been done behind the new Xstar." When someone pointed out something Harley did, you commented he could get booted off an outboard runabout with no ballast. Truthful, untruthful? Probably somewhere in the middle, but an excellent example of circular logic. What statement am I supposed to retract again? Still waiting on those twenty threads... |
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www.thefreedictionary.com/witterCached - Similar witter [ˈwɪtə] Informal. vb. (intr, often foll by on) to chatter or babble pointlessly or at unnecessary length. n. pointless chat; chatter. [from dialect; compare twitter Read your last 10 posts I think witter fits prefect. Official Correct Craft Press Release ----> ORLANDO, FLA (April 16, 2012) — For the first time ever, anywhere in the world in a wakeboarding competition, a wake-to-wake 1080 was landed at the Nautique Wake Games this past weekend in Orlando, Florida. This never before achieved feat was made possible by the revolutionary wake of the new Super Air Nautique G23. Then, as if to prove it was not a fluke, a second wakeboarder landed the same trick again. From never happening before to happening twice in one day in the Super Air Nautique G23’s debut. Now what were you supposed to retract or show proof of? Oh yea . WHAT DID I SAY ABOUT THE G23 THAT WASNT TRUE? Further more what did I say about the new Star that wasn't TRUE? Do you still want those 20 threads? |
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When speaking in terms of FACTS the 1080's behind the G were not on a double up as you mentioned in your post Matt. Not sticking up for the G or being brand loyal I'm just saying with all the speculation and persistance on facts, you are actually incorrect. As far as calling it a bs session, it actually was part of the contest and calling it bs is taking away huge recognition to two great athletes not just the boat. Both Harley and Derome deserve that and threw it down that weekend. No matter what brand you like or who you don't like on this forum, if you're going to call someone out on facts and knock both a boat and a contest, atleast get your own facts straight. Im out lol |
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See, even though I am a Nautique fan, I know enough about the brand to understand their strengths, but more importtantly their missteps. The G23 has been out for a few months, lets talk in a year or so and see if it lived up to the advertising hype. So far, it looks like an amazing boat. Apparently that gives you reason to completely mess up a thread about a competing boat. In regards to the 20 threads, yes I still want them. But then that's about Tige's, and all you know is that Correct Craft is 100% A+ Premium Super Terrirfic Awesome. Maybe you do accept anything your favorite brands say in ads. Anyone that bought a Chevy HHR has to fall in that category, right? |
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It sure is a B-tch when you condemn someone for not stating fact then it turns out the statements were true. So you want to go back to 2006 or quote Harley's dad [If that was really him?] to back up your false statements? I for one dont believe Harley couldn't do a w2w indy tantrum behind a G but that's just my opinion. You still have the gall to insist on 20 posts even after you have been called out and proven wrong in this thread multiple times not only by me but by other members. I think it was a mistake creating a thread like this one where in an attempt to show two members as haters has totally backfired and has shown who the real haters are. WWBC FOREVER.
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And now you attack my HHR? What did my work car ever do to you? Let me tell you what its done for me . Bought new in 08 to carry tools to the job site in Chicago .You see its an HHR panel no windows to see in or break and grab , 30 mph and 0 repairs in the 60000 miles I have owned it. Certainly not as luxurious as the wife's Lexus but I would not want to carry tools in a Lexus. Have anything else to say about my car? If not then you can start on my Harley. Hate on WWBC.
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