MB 23TWB vs. Nautique 230 (Serious Question)
I know this may seem like a stupid question but i want a honest comparison. There are two boat i've been looking at a MB 23 and a SANTE 230. It seems like i'm comparing a bentley to a chevy. I got to test drive the 230 about a month and a half ago and completely loved it, although we could not make a deal. But i do not have the opportunity to test drive a MB. Closest dealer is 4 hours away. Ive seen quite a few pop up on here though. The 4 things i am looking for are a awesome wakeboard wake, decent surf wake, and interior size and storage, and rough water ride. If anybody has pics of the MB wake that would help alot. Just wandering about people opinions about these 2 boats.
Oh and both of these boats are brand new and i can get them both for around the same price:D |
Shallow freeboard on the MB and not hinged seats. MB has a better ballast fill system. Nautique has a better dealership network and warranty and fit and finish. If you have a Nautique dealer close and are looking at the same price it should be a no brainer.
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If the boats are the same price, which seems kind of out there since typically there is almost 30k difference in price between them, then the 230 is seriously a no brainer just based on resale alone.
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how are they the same price? i thought SAN's were priced equal to MC's?
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If they are the same price, buy the 230 sell it and pay off the MB.
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You could not make a deal but you say you can get the 230 near the price of an MB?
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Yea nautique all day long if the price is the same.
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I love the MB but if they are both new and the same price I would take the Nautique only because it would be a way better deal. To be the same price the Nautique has to be a really, really, really good deal or the MB is priced way, way, way to high. The only other explanation is the options/engines aren't comparable at all.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^230, 230, and 230. What Brett said.
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Brett and Hate dead on. Love me some MB but if its apples to apples in pricing go Natique so tell us the difference in price. 10k is a big difference 2k is not a big difference.
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Yea. The 230 is a smokin deal. The reason is that it is a brand new 2011 that has been sitting on their lot for so long now and they have so many 2012s now. I won't give out price but I'll say that I can now get the nautique for mid to upper 60s especially if it doesn't sell after our summer boat show. Hopefully I'm not mis informed on the MB price.
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You can't even get used 2011's for under 80k according to only inboards. If that's the case buy the SAN based on price alone. They want 85k for this one and it has 150 hours
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What options and engine do each boat have?
I would think a standard(still nicely equipped 23TWB) would be 60ish with the 343 motor. A similar equipped 230 with the 343 was probably 80-85k when it was a current model. It looks like you are in Texas so are you looking at one of the 23 TWB's that is at texas Mastercraft? If so Craig loads some of those completely. That includes custom gelcoat, interior, wetsounds tower speakers, tricked out trailer, maybe the bigger engine, trim plate. I could see getting one of those up into the low 70's range. |
There is no way that a MB 23 TWB is priced the same as a SAN 230...unless of course the SAN doesn't come with an engine.
In regards to warranty Nautique is slightly better, but it wouldn't be enough for me to shell out another $30,000. Limited Warrany: MB: 3 Yrs (parts and labor) Nautique: 5 Yrs (3yrs parts& labor, 2 yrs parts) Hull Warranty: MB: Lifetime Nautique: Lifetime Gelcoat: MB: 2 Yrs Nautique: 3 Yrs I like the 230 and have riden behind it quite a bit. My view of the wake is like most here on WW, it is inconsistent and difficult to make clean on both sides. When it is good it is really good. I havent been behind the MB 23 yet (I will Saturday), but assuming normal market prices and based on my experience with the wake behind the 21 Tomcat, I would pick the MB. |
That makes some more sense about the left over inventory. Sounds like a good deal, but you are comparing a 2011 to a 2012(inventory boat) or 2013 if you were order an MB. Not apples to apples, but still a good deal on the SAN. I'll be suprised if that deal lasts very long on the 230.
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i have ridden both boats, and the wakeboard wake is great on both. the MB is better stock due to 2800lbs stock ballast. you could always add a plug n play system to the 230. they both have a ton of room and a decent amount of storage. the nautique has better bells and whistles such as the lcd screen and keyless ignition. 230 has a better tower. the interior on the mb seemed more reliable than the nautique. both have pcm engines and zero off perfect pass and both handle rough water pretty well. an mb is about half as expensive as a nautique but the nautique has a bigger name and are known to be reliable. you cant go wrong with either boat they are both super sick
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Ok. Cool. Thanks for somebody actually giving their opinion on the 2 boats
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this makes me feel like I over payed for my 230 if he's in the 60's........but if that's the real number it's worth every single penny!
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What's wrong with the 2011 230 is my only question? 60k for a 2011? That's pretty crazy considering 09's are going for 60k all day long. All BS aside both companies make great boats but the Nautique will have a better fit and finish, resale value (protect your investment), and will come stock pretty much fully loaded. The interior on the Nautique may seem "thinner" or not as plush as the MB but do your research the quality is among the best. At this point I'd say go with the Nautique. Also the MB will have standard wrap around seating while the Nautique has tons of seating options (bench seat, rear facing seats, etc.). I wish I could find more reasons to go with an MB but if the prices are the same go with the Nautique hands down. MB is a great company, great boat, love the big stock ballast system, and PCM engine are about as dialed in as you can get. The deal breaker is simply the fact that a 230 is the same price when it should be 10k more.
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http://www.nadaguides.com/Boats/2011...dard-Equipment
I understand Nada is not always 100% accurate and every state/market is different buuuuut..... low retail being 82k!? And you're saying you can get one for 60k?! Why are we even discussing MB here (not knocking MB at all I love their boats but lets be real you can buy that 230 and sell it and prob make a 15-20k profit) |
You are going to take a bigger depreciation hit on the MB than the Nautique unless the Nautique is pink and lime green or something. That may not matter if the boat's a keeper, but if you might sell in the next 5 years....
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I know I wanted to see what the resale value was without adding anything to the boat (best case scenario) and it's still 82k! Typically you wouldnt add much anyways because the boat comes stock with all the upgrades and is accounted for in the base price. That said, I still didn't factor in bimini, boat cover, or trailer.
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Oh and that's packaged with the base 343 motor at that price and not many 230's got sold with that motor. Most have the 409 which would actually bump low retail up quite a bit.
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The 343 is pretty weak for that 230. I owned 3 230s. All had the big engine. I'm at sealevel. If you are going to run extra weight, imo, you need the big motor. I found the surf wake behind the 230 to be excellent. The wakeboard wake with anything under 1k over factory ballast was really nice. However, when you add more weight than that, you have to speed up to keep the wake clean. I like riding at 23mph, not 28mph.
The 230 is a great boat overall. The fit and finish is really nice. I have heard of some problems with the new fct5 tower, but my boats did not have that tower, so I can't speak from personal experience. Best get on planetnautique and read some threads to educate yourself. There are deals to be had on 230's right now. Just so you know, I sold a loaded '10 in early '11 for $82k. It had the big motor and was loaded with options. The 230 will hold its value very well. However, the jury's still out as to whether the g23 will hurt 230 sales. I know nothing about the MB. |
If it is the dealer that has 3 2011's listed on their website it has a 343. I don't know enough about the 230 but you may want to make sure that is enough motor for how you are going to use it. Regardless all 3 look really nicely equipped and would be a steal if you pay anywhere under 70k. Those were probably 85-90k boats last year.
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how many super old Nautiques do you see out on the water doin work? TONS! that should tell you something.
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Yes Brett. I think you are talking about the right dealer. We test drove the blue and white one and loved it. Motor felt like more than enough for what we do.
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If you aren't going to add a bunch of extra weight and can get that boat for under 70k I say go for it. You could probably use the boat for a couple years and sell for what you paid. That one is really cool with the tricked out trailer and fake teak.
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Trust me, someone is selling a brandnew 230 for mid 60s and I'm on my way, but that doesn't appear to be the case.
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Chris, maybe he has been working with the dealer and they are really that low? If I was selling boats I sure wouldn't quote my bottom line price to som guy just calling in asking for quotes. Maybe he is getting quoted that low and you should jump in with him so you can both get a great deal. The dealer would probably be more willing to deal on 2 boats then one.
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I agree, but it's hard to think they'd come down the mid teens on those boats when low retail is 82k, even with 2 for one. The guy was super cool, I'm sure you could get the blue one down to the low 70s, but mid 60s I doubt, and it sounds like he coudln't get that either from the first post he made
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I'm actually thinking about calling back and seeing what I can do to deal one of them. Just the 343 is going to be rough at the alt
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I think anything under 75k is a really great price on that Blue one. 70 or less is insane.
It would be a tough choice though if that blue one was 75k and a 100% completely loaded(tricked trailer, wetsounds tower speakers, big motor, trim plate, etc.) 23TWB for 65-70k. At a 10 grand price difference I might take the 23TWB. At 5 probably the Nautique though. At 15k difference there would be no doubt I would take the 23TWB. |
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Y'all guys takin my boat...Just kidding. But I've been in the dealership multiple times and they are really great guys. Didn't mean to start a war over prices just wanted a comparison on two awesome boats
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As far as the money goes, if you can really get a 230 for the same price as the MB then I agree with the masses... get the 230 just because of the deal. Seems fishy to me, but what do I know...? Just be sure you are comparing apples to apples. MB TWB 23 may not be as expensive as you think. My buddy got a 2012 for $59K and that included trim plate, two heater cores, metal flake gel, four Exile speakers and two harpoon amps (343 motor). That's a fact. |
Wow. That's a awesome price. Yea. I've really loved what I've seen recently with mb boats
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Does anybody know if u can have rider presets in the MB. I don't have to have all the screens and what not but just wandering if u can have presets in that perfect pass...but all those screens
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Perfect pass has had rider presets for a long time so my guess is yes. If you were looking at MB's at Texas Mastercraft call and talk to Craig. He posts on here a lot. Tell him you are on wakeworld and see if he can help you out at all on the price. Without knowing the exact boat I would think you could get a MB23 for 65kish. He seems to be a super cool guy from his posts here. Might be worth a shot.
DBC brings up some good points. If you are a beginner wakeboarder or have people that are beginners the SAN230 might be a poor choice. Even at a great deal it might not be worth it if you aren't happy with the wake/wave it produces. From what has been talked about on wakeworld the MB will produce a cleaner wake, a lot better wake with stock ballast full and a lot better surf wake stock. Also as for the comparison I would compare them more like an Escalade and Denali or Escalade and Tahoe LTZ. Same power plants, same quality core construction, same room and storage, better fit and finish in the nautique, more bells and whistles in the Nautique. The difference being the MB actually performs better then the nautique where a denali is going to perform identical to an escalade. |
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They wouldn't take $70k cash money less trailer. Me in a truck with green cash, not a transfer. You must have pictures of someone's wife.
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If you mean that Nautique has a nicer interior, I would debate that. Just look at the pics. The MB interior is money. Their vinyl is thick and luxurious. It offers a variety of different textures, patterns, and colors. The padding is thick and firm and the seat backs are nicely sloped. On the other hand, the Nautique seating is generally hard, verticle, and chopped up in it's appearance. Neither is as nice as my new Bu... but you didn't ask about those boats. :D Which one looks more comfortable to you...? http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p...TWB%2023/5.jpg http://forums.wakeboarder.com/files/...terior_141.jpg I'm not saying there are no reasons to get a Nautique. I just wouldn't say that seating is one of them, unless you like a transformable interior with lots of rear facing seats... then Nautique is your boat! |
^^ I think everyone is talking about the build quality and longevity.
Something you would know nothing about since you've owned 5 MB's for a total of 3 months each.. I don't disagree with you - I think the Natique is least comfortable, less aestetically pleasing of the whole bunch. But I think they are taking about build quality, product quality - not just what looks comfier. |
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Hahahaha. That's one of my old 230's right there. My friends called it the Earnhart boat, because it was all black with red accents. Here are some more pics of that boat. Some Dr. in Maryland owns it now.
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You are all wet Jeff. I'm sure DBC will correct me, but he had a 21 TWB for several years and then upgraded to a new 21 Tomcat that he used for one season. I resepct his opinion and experience with MB. I think Nautique is a great boat and would love to won one, but find me an MB that is less reliable and hasn't held up as well as an equal age Nautique. Good luck.
This adage about "build quality" and "fit and finish" gets really old. It's all subjective and has no real meaning only ones perspective and opinon. The real question should be, "How will the boat perform 10-15 years from now if I complete all required maintenece and follow the manufacturers maintenence schedule?" In both cases, i think the answer should be: "VERY WELL!!!" |
Fit and finish pertains to a lot of what you don't see in the boat. A good comparison would be an 05 VLX vs. an 05 Nautique. If you look at the floor in the VLX you'll see bracketed seat bases and just looks like the boat was pieced together. If you look at the Nautique it is a solid fiberglass floor (not pieced together) meaning the fit and finish is much better. (Im not picking sides here either Im just using an example). Also DBC I owned an MB B52 for 3 years and lets just say that boat did have the cleanest wake that's for sure. It took so much playing around with weight to get the wake equal on both sides. Point being, every boat has a washy wake, every user sits in a different area affecting that wake, every boat is weighted differently, and used differently. I respect your experience with MB and agree they are great boats. The 230 however is a higher quality boat and the fit and finish (building process from the second the boat is built) is much better
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87 years of building boats i'm sure you learn a few tricks that makes you stand apart.
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BTW, I thought the interior of the 230 was plenty comfy. The platform... not so much.
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^ agreed and DBC in all honesty "thick and firm" vinyl does not mean its better. It all comes down to quality of materials and breathability when speaking of vinyls. Plus you say they have different texture schemes and so on? Every boat manufacturer does. Does MB use Gortex thread to stitch their vinyl? Gortex is the most breathable and highest quality thread on the market and its 6 times more expensive than standard thread. I know this is a small feature but these are the things that makes the nautique stand apart and these are things that most people don't know. MB's are great, I'm not knocking them at all. But if we are debating quality of interior, hands down Nautique has it.
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^^ I want to hang out with Chatt haha. You say that swim step wasn't comfortable I call Bull $hi! you look pretty comfy lol
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Would be interested in what the freeboard is in a CC. Its low as hell to me and I am a tall guy. Its my only gripe on their boats. They scoop out the drivers side to make it deeper but every where else is low. I think the freeboard is the same or damn near close in the MB and CC having just sat my arse in both at a tradeshow and no not a G23 a 210 and 230.
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I was in a similar position to the original poster. was planning on buying an MB, but got a smokin deal on a leftover '11 23 LSV. Actually bought the boat previous to that ('02 SAN) also as the last leftover when I bought it in '03.
No complaints on either purchase. I got more boat than I was originally in the market for, and I have no doubt in my mind that I got an incredible deal. Grab the SAN and don't look back. SAN interior might not look as comfortable, but I equate it to a BMW...it's just got a solid tight feel to it (and everything about the boat). You can just feel the quality. |
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My comments were strictly related to vinyl and seat cushions... essentially comfort while in the seated position. And just to be clear, I was not knocking Nautique. I fully recognize that some may value the rear facing seating. |
Chris, I and everybody understand what you are saying but freeboard has nothing to do with the interior depth of the boat. Freeboard is the distance from the water line to the top of the deck. In that case the MB has ton's of freeboard. The 230 has quite a bit as well. Now I agree with you that the MB does not have a very deep interior. the seat backs aren't that tall and either are the seat bases(distance from cushions to floor). I believe the reason is MB decided to lift the floor above where it would be in most boats so they can have more ballast. IT is a give and take type situation. I have never thought of Nautique's as deep boats as far as the interior goes. In my opinion MB, Nautique and Malibu are all fairly shallow as compared to Mastercraft, Centurion and Tige. I don't know that is necessarily a bad thing to have a shallower boat in side as it probably means the boat is a little more sleek looking(better in my opinion) then some of these new super deep boats. I don't really see the need to have a super deep boat though. I am sure it is nice for feeling safe with kids in but unless these people are using their boat in 5 foot sea's I don't really see the need. Whatever though. Having the extra storage is nice.
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According to http://dictionary.babylon.com/fit_and_finish/ "The evaluative standard of a vehicle's cosmetics. Good fit and finish means all the body panels and trim are evenly spaced, aligned, and secure. The paint is evenly applied with no bubbles or pit marks. " What you are referring to in your example of of the VLX vs SAN is a difference in CONSTUCTION METHOD, not FIT & FINISH. Fit and Finish DOES NOT EQUAL manufacturing process/construction methods. :banghead: |
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I'm not sure what MB you had... was it one of the newer hulls (2009 or newer)? My experience with both a 2009 and 2012 was that as long as I got the people sitting evenly, the wake was clean at 20+ mph. I got the impression from Chatt's posts that the 230 struggles were more than just moving people to their proper seats. I could be wrong on that. Don't read into my comments too deeply. I'm not advocating for MB. Just trying to be objective given personal experience + what I read on this very forum. My perception is that the MB wake is less finicky, but YMMV. |
Freeboard has come up here a few times. I owned two MB's and never felt they were shallow inside. But then again, I never took a tape measure to them to compare. So who knows. I'm just telling you, they seemed deep and comfortable to me. You have to remember... even though their are tanks under the floor, the exterior of those boats is TALL. Have you looked at the rear end? When I got my first MB, I got teased by all you for the ass being so big. Hehe.
I'm not saying folks are wrong... just that I never really witnessed low freeboard as an issue. I think it would be cool to actually measure freeboard on these boats to see what the real numbers are. Again, from what I read on this forum, I never go the impression that Nautique was a particularly deep boat either. Listen guys... you don't have to convince me. I'm not an MB owner anymore. I'm a "Big 3" guy now so I get it... I see the value, and I'm fully invested at this point. I just think these threads would be so much better if we had real data. Instead we get anecdotes like, "Nautique uses uber fancy thread" or "MB uses 50oz. vinyl." *** for tat. What we really need is a third party who could tear these boats down and do unbiased, proper comparisons of all the nitty gritty. |
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I'm not saying Nautique quality is not higher... just that using price point as the proof ignores about 100 other variables in how these boat company's financials work in the real world. I'm talking about the kind of variables you and I have no clue about (overhead, marketing, volume, econmies of scale, supplier negotiations, geography, supply chain, debt structure, appetite for growth, profit expectations, workforce, etc. etc. etc.). |
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I am a big MB/CC fan and I love both boats/wakes.
While you may argue that CC has better build quality, I would argue that MB build quality is of no concern. Their quality is top notch. CC is much better at NVH (Noise Vibration) and rear faced seating (with rigid comfort/styling). My other gripe with MB is with their finger slamming gullwing rear hatches (that they eliminated in their F24). A pretty short gipe list for a boat with amazing performance/value. |
I will say that after having been in both boats the OP asked about, the Nautique for the same $$ is a no brainer. The MB provides a good value for somebody who's first priority is the wake performance, and maybe is not so worried about luxury, fit and finish and resale. The surf wake is really good behind the TWB 23 with an extra 800# on top of stock (this is how I surfed it), didn't get a chance to wakeboard behind it.
The 230 is a great all around boat, the stock wakeboard wake is great and is not at all finicky. If you want to add weight to a 230, then you may have to mess some, but this in the range of 4-5 thousand pounds. I have a Fly hi add-on system in mine, and we've had two riders use it that way, and we had no problem with the wake with 2 people in the boat. So we had approx. 3100# of ballast in the boat (no people or gear/gas weight included) and the wake was clean and HUGE! The surf wake with this system is comparable to the MB's (added weight also). Personally, I like the rear facing seating so we can watch the riders, and having the ability to change the seating up as an option, not important for everybody I realize. I have been able to clean up one side of the wake as slow as 17mph for beginners, around 18-19mph for both sides. Demo both if possible and decide what's important to you about the boat, then go enjoy it! Full disclosure; I own a 230, but was seriously considering an MB 23. |
Get the 230, sell it in the offseason then get a 13 23 TWB. They are making a good amount of changes to the boat next year from what i've heard.
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I bet if MB started charging $35k more for the exact same boat they are building now WW would fall in love with them.
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My point was it seems like every conversation comes back to the point that MB can't be as good as XYZ because it's cheaper. Maybe this point is being made by the same few people every time and is not the major opinion of the forum.
When looking for a new boat this spring I considered every brand. I did not demo everything, but I spent a lot of time in several boats at boat shows and decided a 23TWB was the best fit for me. It happens to be one of the few boats in my price range, but even if price was no object I still would have done the same. (This was pre-G23, that boat looks sweet!!!) I will be picking it up on Saturday. Yes, there are things that MB does that I do not like, as with every other boat I looked at. They just do so many other things right. I made an offer to Chattwake to take a set behind my new boat. I hope we can work out a time that allows us to do that. My intentions is not to try and prove that the wake behind an MB is better than his Axis, but simply to let someone that does not own an MB see what they are like and offer a fair comparison. This invitation is extended to anyone willing to make the drive to meet me at the lake. |
^^^ Thats along drive for me :( haha all BS aside, I don't know who said what, but I dont think the case is that MB isnt as good as XYZ because it's cheaper. It's cheaper becuase they don't use the same quality of materials as other manufacturers which in return makes for a cheaper boat. They may also use a more "inexpensive" way of building there boats. (kind of hate the word cheap when refering to these boats, inexpensive sounds better lol). I know Nautique's factory layout and building process was incorporated from BMW. Bill Yeargin really came in and furthered this companies potential not to mention spent countless hours trying new procedures throughout the factory to put out the highest quality product they are capable of. One walk through that factory and you would be amazed. The only factory I haven't been to is MC and I can say right now that IMO correct craft has the most efficient and dialed in factory I have ever seen. Some may take this as a biased opinion and yes I believe in CC but don't think for a second I wouldnt take an MB or Xstar for the right deal as I have faith in both manufacturers and boats. My preference for the long term investment and quality just lies within CC due to what I've seen and what I have to compare to.
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I worked at MC last summer as an engineering intern. I have been on multiple tours of Malibu/Axis. I have never been to Nautique, but everyone I know of who has was impressed. |
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Cheaper price doesn't always mean they use cheaper products. Many times, the higher price comes from more overhead like advertising, sales people, name recognition.... I am in IT consulting business - many times the big name product is more expensive because of the above reasons, not because they use better materials. No doubt that the Nautique is a well built boat, but to say something is made from higher quality materials just because it is more expensive is ignorant. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNlfqpYywRI |
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Wake to wake you aren't going to see much difference, other than shape, until you get into some of really expensive boats. You're going to get less bling with less money, it's simple economics. THis isn't the crappy littleague teams where no one can lose, if you pay less you're going to get less on most products. MBs are still expensive and still nice and people don't want other to minimize a purchase like that, but it's reality. The CCs are going to give you more and better otpions, because you are paying for more and better options. Much like Chat has said about axis, people want more out of the axis options wise and then bitch they cost too much. Once you start to bling out a boat it's going to quit being a price point boat. MBs and axis are price point boats, you aren't going to get everything you get with the other boats at that price point. Not everyone wants the bling, and not everyone can afford bling, so that's why the price point boats are there. If you can buy a blinged out boat for a price point price you snatch it up because it makes fiscal sense, and you'll have equity in it off the lot. |
Agree to disagree on the above statement. I think the MB interior is top notch and very comfortable with tons of storage.
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I think that is their line of thinking. Jsut because it looks fancier doesn't mean it is any better quality or will last longer or is more comfortable. There is a difference between luxery and quality in hy opinion. There are definately things I think would cost more to produce a nautique or Mastercraft then an MB and you can see those things but I am not sure it makes them any better quality. The dash area's seem to be more custom/molded etc.. hinged seats, shocks on the vdrive compartments, lcd screens, etc... All those things will add to the cost but again, in my opinion don't make it any higher a quality of boat. |
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As wake tractors, MBs do a fine job.
As status symbols (greating the impression of luxury, and the feel of luxury) less so. I think the axis-MB comparison is a fairer one than MB-Nautique. Neither MB nor Axis are trying to deliver the experience of a big three flagship (in the boat at least). Hinged cushions, lcd screens, touch screens, electronic switches... those things all cost money. A fairer comparison to a 23' mb would be something like a 23vride from malibu. |
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I am not sure I would agree with you chris on luxury holding value better. I would actually tend to believe the exact opposite. Look at cars, every luxury brand out there has insanely horrible resale. That includes Mercedes, BMW, Cadillac, Lincoln, etc.. About the only one to buck the trend would be lexus. Their resale being high though is based off of real(maybe percieved) reliability. What cars have the best resale in the USA? At least in Seattle I would believe Lexus, Honda, Toyota(especially pickups), subaru(maybe). How much is a 100k benz worth 5 years later. Probably ~25k. How much is a 25k honda worth 5 years later. Probably ~17-20k. The mercedes might still be worth more but certainly doesn't have better resale. I am not sure boats can be exactly compared to cars though. I think if you buy a 5 year old nautique or mastercraft and compare resale to buying a 5 year old MB then you may be right. The problem with the big dollar boats is that if you 75k for them and then try to sell 3 year later someone has the options of paying 50 or 60k for that Nautique or can buy a brand new MB or comparable boat. Actually for the initial 5 years I would bet almost all brands of boats have nearly identical resale value when expressed in a percentage.
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It's hard to compare boats to cars, the price of new boats being so inflated causes the used boat market to hold it's value better. I can sell my boat now, three years later, for 5k more than I bought it for, early 2000 xstars are selling for close to what they cost brand new back in the day. |
Helm seat base, breaker boxes over fuses, no toggles, stereo remote, stainless hinges, Linc system, recessed battery boxes, battery breaker box, drain hoses on cup holders, recessed helm floor pan, ss floor drains its alot of little things that add up. They cost more and help hold value. 87 years they are doing something right.
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In my mind, a boat is a luxury item. A luxury item with a ton of markup. The prices keep going up - sometimes because of cost of materials, but also because of the dwindling amount of good competition. Personally, I am glad MB is around to show that a quality boat can be built and prices can be kept low while maintaining good customer service. I dont know if MB uses breaker boxes or fuses, but MB uses all stainless hardware that is anodized for salt water use. They use 52 oz vinyl and no chopper guns. Their graphics are made into the gel coat. I have watched the factory tour videos for Malibu, MC, nautique, MB, Tige, and SC - all of them are so similar in build technique and materials that it makes no sense why the large differences in price. I don't know enough about boat building to know if chopper guns are bad, but Malibu, MC, MB, Nautique, and SC all use them (go check out their factory tour videos on youtube). All use triple density foam, all use composites and no wood, stainless hardware, and plush carpeting. I have no doubt that Nautique is well built (as are the other big names), but you can't tell me that the higher costs of their boats is not due in part by the larger facilities, the private lakes, the paid pros, the free demo boats, the advertising, the larger teams of staff, etc... The same can probably be said for MC, Malibu, and SC as well. On the subject of high prices of boats...Why is it that my wife's new Lincoln costs 20k less than my boat? The Lincoln is more comfortable, has more features, more materials, more technology, etc... |
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Nice post Preston! Its nice to see a little content. Shawn you have it right too. MB == WAKE TRACTOR.
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