I'd think its going to be closer to the release. However I highly doubt they are going to put a product marketed at this demographic out with a terrible wakeboard wake. I would think everything else is a second thought to that. It would be considered a massive and catastrophic failure in my mind if they screw up the wake
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Not sure how the wake is going to be that great when the boat is only 20 feet and comes with less than 900 pounds of ballast. At least the Axis has a wedge to offset the lack of ballast
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They have good wakes already dialed in, and paid for. For a couple generations. They just need to make an economy version, non of the brushed aluminum, fancy computers, etc. Just bare bones. They can do it.
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Oh also, 50K doesn't include a trailer
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All I wanna know, is how strong is this tower on the NXT. can it handle the weight of a bangin stereo, and bikini babes hanging from it?
Wake, less of a concern. |
Judging by the sturdiness of a normal Mastercraft tower, I wouldn't expect much from the NXT's.
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Wonder why they went with a touch screen? Maybe it's not touch responsive, but in any case seems they could have saved some money sticking with all gauges. Actually I can see some people preferring an analog based gauge system.
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how in the hell is a 50k boat aimed at the "just out of college bunch" I make a really good living in my profession (engineer) i have been out of college 4 years now and cant afford to drop 50k on a toy.
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yeah i guess if i didnt save 55% of my income for retirement then i could probably afford this boat. but i do so I'm SOL... on track to retire by 40 with a boat that does the exact same thing ... pulls me on a wakeboard... for 1/3 the cost. and its a proven hull.
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Those folks rolling in the 100K boat are also rolling in debt as well
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The majority probably are but you never know. I had a ton of disposable cash when I was single and without kids. Its all up to what your situation is. For some people a 50k boat is a great option if you don't have the knowledge to get your hands dirty and want the warranty behind it. For some of us if you look at maintinence costs on an older boat we are essentially paying for a new one anyways.
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Are you sure about that Rusty
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that was close! for a minute there I thought we were going to slide back into some NXT discussion! Whew!
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any where to get real decent pictures?
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I am interested to see what this boat looks like all complete. The teaser boat doesn't get real excited but I will wait to reserve judgement till we see a full release. It is an interesting boat just from the size standpoint. Going narrow just doesn't make a lot of sense to me unless they really want this to be a pure wake machine. I just don't think that appealing to the "core" rider is the best plan if it means you give up all the family/general boater buyers(who make up most of the market) because it will have a narrow/small interior. I could understand if someone was going to build a smaller wakeboat that is narrow and could be had for 40k or so with triple ballast, PP, Tower, racks and trailer but I am not sure that is realistic these days. The closest thing to that was the V210(which is gone now) and even it was just so low profile and narrow that it didn't sell well anymore.
Who knows though. There are probably some crazy people out there that will buy it just because it has MC written down the side. Since this boat is a chopper gun boat is it being built in a different factory(at least the hull and deck)? |
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Just saw an MSRP sheet for an NXT. Came in at a whopping $80k.
At least it included a $3800 single axle trailer... |
Uh Oh. We have a problem???? 50k, what do you get for that???
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yeah, but it's going to be fun for the dealers to try to negotiate with buyers who just laugh and say "oh no no, Mr. Dealer. You and your silly MSRP build sheet. I'm no dummy, it's $50k all day long!"
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For $50k you get a hole in the water surrounded by fiberglass
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Wow 55K would have been understandable, but 30K over their advertised price. You can't tell me someone put 30K in options on a 50K budget boat!!
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I imagine if you added heater, underwater lighting, full wetsounds, and so on you could add 30k to anything.
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Just like any budget boat out there, I'm sure the $50k is No options and No trailer. You can definitely buy the boat like that, but a lot of people wont. You could easily get to $80K if you get the biggest motor possible, every stereo option, and all of the other options. But then again, they are just options. You dont have to get them.
Just like Axis. You can get Axis boats way down in price, but most people want to throw everything on them. The options are necessary to have a good time, but people are willing to spend the money. That's why boat prices keep going up. People want more, and keep paying for more. |
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we are talking standard bs prices here. Like Mitch said you can drop a few grand on bigger motor too. 3g on a single axle. It all starts adding up quick.
Upgraded stereo upgraded motor underwater lights bimini tower lights upgraded tower could be a big cost pop up cleats dual batteries upgraded ballast |
This was with the standard 5.7l motor...
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I said right from the start that these will end up being 80-90k for a boat with decent options. Once your into that price range it opens up a lot of options on the used side of things. If that is indeed the price i can't see them selling that great.
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Chatt- how did you see an MSRP sheet before the dealers have even seen one? I saw the MC east coast rep yesterday, at the boat show, and he said that pricing info won't even be available for another 2-3 months.
Wouldn't make much sense to even bother, when the X2 has an MSRP of 80-90k if you spec with the standard engine and basic options. |
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I've also been wondering about the point of bringing out a brand new boat in that size. They could have used the old 205 hull since its almost exactly the same size and kept the cost down even more because of no R&D costs. I think the 205 hull with a updated newer style interior and a 50-60k price tag would be a winner. Its still one of the best crossover hulls out there and would be an ideal "starter" tow boat for many.
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The 205v used building techniques and practices that would require more costly materials and labor than the Nxt. As far as R&D cost, rumor has it that the nxt is merely a failed attempt at the new Prostar, so any costs for development were minimal. The 205v was simply not competitive at the price they had to sell it at in the end; there is a reason mine sat at the dealer unsold for over a year.
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That rumor about it being a failed Prostar hull was apparently just that. A rumor. Over on Teamtalk the word is its an all new boat. Not sure why they couldnt update the building methods on a 205 to keep costs down. I guess i'm not all that up on how they were built but i can't see it being much different than new boats. |
I don't just make stuff up.
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Post the price sheet then
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No chit from Chatt
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Let's remember that chatt purchases a new boat every 12 weeks, so he very well may be truthful.
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I still stand by the Prostar rumor; in today's modern towboat world I find it hard to believe MC would design a 20' long and 91" beam boat unless it was originally a ski boat attempt. Failed Prostar would still make it an all new design. (Plus, MC has zero to gain by admitting that is the case) Either way, I like what I see from the NXT so far. |
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Interested to see what this does to the market share of axis. Even being as it's a smaller boat, I bet it draws buyers from the 22' axis.
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I thoroughly enjoy my X1. This has me intrigued with a few features and surf potential. This is aimed right at my demo/psychographic. I'd rather buy this or another used boat than get a new CC210, X10, VLX-D or VTX-3D if it can ski well enough.
Below are a few specs & new pics (I omitted a few bits of info to protect the innocent). Most notable are the interior shot of the rear bench/sundeck and engine bay. I'm glad to see a slot for a removable or optional pylon. |
For those that doubt the strategy with this boat, go Google the sales impact of the MC's neighbor, Cobalt and their 10 Series, Jaguar with the XF or Maserati with the Ghibli where no new brand name was needed as they seek to extend the lifetime value of a consumer.
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that 91" beam is going to make this boat feel really small and probably going to be the pitfall of the boat. Calabria always had small boats but with 102" beam they felt much bigger. Now take a small boat with a smaller beam and its going to look like a clown car with 9 people crammed in it i'd imagine... time will tell. i like the design and everything else i've seen, just the dimensions are lacking for me.
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Small boats (NXT)- some of us that like smaller boats for handling, many ski better, easy to tow and just big enough for a fam and a few friends. Seems many outgrew the X1, I love the size. It will always be much bigger than my PS190, though I would appreciate the extra stbd bench seat, ice chest and the wider bow in the NXT. For reasons or 20' lake restrictions only a few boats make sense VTX, M20V & NXT. Big Boats - I totally get the fun with big boats. There's either a party atmosphere, extra space between guys that don't want elbows touching, pride, or just a better rough water ride, Plus, that's what it used to take to get a good surf wake. I'm just not up for paying thar much to take my kid's sports team to the lake nor losef cross-over ability. Gauges - someone said earlier they'd rather have less expensive analog gauges than this screen. ICBW, but I bet this screen is much less expensive than precise servo driven analog gauges. |
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I guess to save money they made the boat with a 91' beam AND had a 3rd grader write the description? I am pumped for this boat, I really hope they can keep this at $50k all day with a trailer, that will help keep Axis and Moomba honest. If they keep the "mastercraft" name on it everywhere, then they will steal a bunch of Axis and Moomba business with that price point. I got to spend some time in Axis' new T22, priced at about $55k with some really nice options (including surf gate), it is a huge feeling boat and nicely laid out design… unless you have boat lake restrictions or garage needs, I doubt anyone would choose that NXT over the T22… unless they MUST have a mastercraft. Can't wait to ride behind this thing. One really good thing is it should not need a whole lot of weight to get a huge wake, maybe 2500 lbs total? |
The boat is 50k, but you are going to get your normal complaints "I just went and priced a NXT and it came out to 70k fully loaded". People do not seem to grasp the concept that "options" are "extra". Skip the wetsounds, skip the heater, shower, cleats, etc (you get the point) and the boat price stays low. This is true for almost any boat however. Axis has stayed pretty price point, but the "extras" drive the boat price up. But to Johnny's point, I'd rather get a T22 for 5 k more, way more more room.
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The Pro V2 is listed as 21'6" incl. the 30" platform. So it's actually a 19" boat. But you are right... they are super wide! |
At 4,000 lbs I think I understand why it failed as the new Prostar ;-)
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I only knew that cuz I almost bought a Pro V2 back in the day and I was worried about garage fit. I always thought it was bizarre the way Calabria listed that. |
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so its 6 inches shorter and 1 inch wider than my X Star 205v. Love my boat but damn it gets TIGHT with more than 4 people in main area. Clearly I am not MC but this makes zero sense to me but sure they will sell a bunch!
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If everyone is so worried about getting a decent sized V-drive for under $50k, why not just get a Tige R20? It has a 94" beam and a base price of about $39k without a trailer, so for $50k you could have it pretty decently loaded out.
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Says in the comments on that site that $50k is with NO TRAILER. So that means the starting price for 95% of buyers is actually more like $55k. We'll know more today when we hear what the standard options are. I expect the standard options will be almost identical to the Axis A20. Basic 4 speaker stereo with upgrade options. Basic gelcoat schemes with options for more complex. No bimini standard, no plug n play standard, no surf system standard.
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I would love to know where you are finding this R20 without a trailer for 39k, it's 55 k all day with the bare minimum options. That 55k the going rate not the MSRP |
The sheet I saw had the base msrp price for an NXT20 listed at $63,490.00. Maybe someone in the know can chime in and let me know if that number is way off. Seems like it must be, in light of the whole 50k all day marketing scheme.
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You can get a A22 pretty damn loaded with tricked out gel and trailer for that price. I would hope that numbers way off , but probably not. Anxious for the reveal either way!
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@Swat. I helped my dealer sell 3 R20's last fall lightly optioned for 41K. That was probably 8-10K in options on paper(Trailer, cover, carpet, depth, heater, Front cooler with filler). R20's should be OTD less that 50K all day unless you option the heck out of them in which case cost wise your better off moving to the RZR.
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How about a new wakeworld rule, from now on if anyone feels the need to get in a pissing contest about prices, msrp is the ONLY number discussed and it needs to be backed up with a price sheet.
Christ, and to think this is a comparison to a boat that hasn't even been released... |
Whats worse? Comparing imaginary numbers or comparing a mastercraft to a tige'?. JK
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Wow…feel threatened by other brands much???
Lets try to calm down, put the keyboard down and back away from the ledge!!! |
That was just for the boat, with no options or trailer and base motor.
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Not the one who came into the thread with a tige' woody. BTW some answers. I'm just busting alil chops nothing serious
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Also I do find it slightly cheesey to put a payment calculator right next to the boat info on the live event. Thats alil crappy imho
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hmmm, no cupholders or speakers in the side of the boat where almost every other boat has them... That explains 91 beam and still getting decent interior size.
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Tom where are you talking about? Side? They are near the floor which I actually like. They cut the speakers etc out of the side b/c of the width. Spill your beer and its on the floor and not soaking up in a crevice
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