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Slalom skiing is the only way to leave the lake nice and calm. You might as well sell your boat and get on with life... |
I just saw that episode 2 video, I had NO idea this was what they were going to show, but we just did this for fun on our Z3. Side to side in seconds, I will post video. We were just messing around, but it looked great.
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We ride on a small lake, if there are a couple wakeboats who somewhat know how to drive we can still get good water. Throw one wakesurfer on the lake and the whole thing is bumped out in 10 minutes. Tottal disrespect, no better/worse than getting 'snaked' when real surfing.
On a good note I have heard there is legislation being proposed with mandatory rope lengths due to the dangers of riding too close to the boat. Makes sense to me. |
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I would think that you being in the whole wakesurf scene would be ontop of all latest and greatest regarding what competitors are putting in/using.. This isnt new news, where are you getting your info from LOL |
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Im with Lake, you have no clue what you are talking about |
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I do try to keep up on all of it, but honestly, so many boats and stuff going on, stuff can slip through the cracks. |
dont centurions have pretty deep v bottoms in comparison? even if the ballast tanks are not as far to the sides as MB or whatever it would significantly affect the boat's ability to lean over still... BUT then again i don't wake surf and can count how many boat shows i have been to on one hand
As for the surf gate, if it is like the pics and patent shown on the first page of the thread, it reminds me of the flow through tail holes that were experimented with on those early year 2000 wakeboards. i think it was J-star and or Gator that used them. they were short lived and almost unseen... like the byerly "can-opener" board on steroids |
Brendan I'm sure fishin boats say he same thing about you and your wakeboardin boat.
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Ragboy "was not all the way on the sides, more in the middle"
Did you miss the picture I posted?? not sure how you can say the tanks are more to the middle all of theCenturions that have the quick fill tanks are in the back on each side |
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I was in a dealership with a rep, he showed em to me. It wasn't a big deal, and it didn't "bother" me or anything, it was just an observation. It could be the rep was wrong, it wouldn't be the first time I have asked a manufacturer rep a question, not just centurion, and they got it wrong. Or did they move farther out in 2012?
Either way, it was just an observation that the farther out the better, and if they are all the way out on the enzo, that's great. But the rep went to the back of the boat, and showed me the inlets and also described the locations of the tanks. |
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wave doesn't look that impressive...
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u mad ^^^
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Is it just me or is that pic pretty ghetto? A mfr using 5 gallon buckets and rocks in their mold? :eek: Or is that a prototype of some sort? :confused:
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Well wah wah wah.
The tanks are clearly further out on the MB than on centurion. Look at all the volume of the tank on the centurion, its almosg all towards the center line, not so much the case on the MB. Either way youll need sacks if you want a great wake. And sacks can put pressure on the gunnel resulting in more leverage resulting in more list resulting in a better wave. And either way you're destroying my glass in the morning. So save it for the afternoon |
So... how about that Surfgate system??
Funny how we're talking about MB (again) and Centurion. |
How about the release party for the G25 this month:)
Lol...figured Id throw another brand in this thread |
So , where's the gate? Is there ever going to be a gate? Or are we surfing endlessly?
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I got the email of the 2nd video . It doesn't show anything more than the first . I'm not sure what they are trying to do with the delayed introduction . Trying to build hype I guess I'm not all that interested. I'm not planning on a new wakeboat and dont have any problems with wakesurfing now. I would like to see the new Supra coming out maybe a Mojo clone?
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I agree with both of you guys. I don't think that they are in the "center" of the boat but it is also plain as day that they are not in the back corner of the rig like a sack ina locker is. I'm staying out of your little Tige vs. Centurion/MB pissing match - but there is some validity to both sides. |
so.. when is the official info going to be released ?
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fyi - http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/.../07/13/CL39799
looks like they will be running it for the red bull wake open this weekend. haven't seen anything on their website yet. of course everyone on wakeworld is aware, but otherwise it seems like malibu is doing a poor job at marketing this new feature. |
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did one of those videos say the average time to switch sides to surf is 40 minutes? The competition needs to jump on that. It takes us about the same time for one surfer to finish and the next to be ready to go, about 4 minutes i'd guess. Thats on the rare occasion someone wants to surf goofy.
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Hello WAKE WORLD! We here in sunny Florida at the RED BULL WAKE OPEN and would like to Introduce you to SURF GATE by Malibu. We think you're going to enjoy this ride.
http://www.surfgatewave.com/assets/images/logo.png http://www.surfgatewave.com/ |
Well...it's not aesthetically pleasing...
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the propaganda campaign sucks. Lets see pics of the thing and how it works.
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This looks like an acutal GAME CHANGER.
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The switching up the wake in mid ride and being able to hop from side to side is pretty bad ass. They may have something really big here
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Game has changed!
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New Vids are up,looks pretty sick!
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That's pretty impressive but I want to know how it works!
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Looks like the flap opens up. Here's another vid of Brian Grubb doing side to side transfers, supposedly the first ones ever. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=202589213201629
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So how much is the base 21' wakesetter?
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makes sense, flap opens creates side drag to make the wave. Cool how you can switch sides fast, wave doesn't look super long and tall though.
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Wonder if this can be retrofitted
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Pretty neat. Selectively push the boat sideways. For Brian to switch across the boat needed to switch across the gates at the same time. Hmm, I wonder if a tracking device for the rider is in the works.
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I saw a video of a surfer going wake to wake like Brian Grubb did over a week ago on a Tige Z3. No Surfgate necessary.I don't know when Brian did his transfer but it has been done already on other boats. So game changer I don't think ? Something new attempted maybe closer to the truth. Don't get me wrong I'm not knocking it I think it's a great idea,but other boats can duplicate it without the Surfgate.
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People have transferred, but not to a weighted side for surfing. Even if you weight evenly, you're not going to get that clean of a wave.
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Clean doesn't equal push. I've seen some tall clean waves that didn't have as much push as smaller less clean waves. I still think it's a great idea,but would have to try it myself to see how effective it really is.
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You guys are missing the main points... What the video lacks is information... the system is AMAZING...Safer, tons more comfortable, easier, etc....
The boat does not have to be leaned.... It drives completely flat and straight... So the difficult turns with a weighted boat are no longer an issue... Picking up a rider is safer (you have much more control than with a listed boat) any driver can pull a surfer. No more pulling up to the dock to take a break and having to worry about the weight causing issues when trying to dock (for not so good drivers) I'm sure everyone who have wake surfed have banged the dock pretty hard. ALSO, The weight can now be distributed throughout the boat as you please... you don't have to put it all in one corner... Your crew can sit anywhere... No more uncomfortable cramming in the corner. I know I HATED that part... No more of the "Move over to the right a little more, move back some"... Now that it doesn't just have to be on one side, you can slam the boat even more... Instead of just 500 lbs in the right rear locker , you can now have 500 lbs in both lockers, getting the boat deeper and causing a bigger wave, etc. No more having to drain sacks in the lockers when you want to switch riders. If one surfer rides regular and the other rides goofy, all you have to do is flip the switch.... No more draining, shifting bag sides and re-filling.... It IS a game changer. No doubt about it. |
Adam have you ridden the wave? Or are you a kool-aid drinker?
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Surfed it, Studied it, Etc...
I don't like kool-aid.... I never have sugar. Have you Robert? PS. I think I met you before at Spring Ride and at Pedro a couple times.. |
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Always going to be haters from owners of other manufacturers. If it had been tige, he'd probably be all over it. A good IDE is a good idea. Regardless who comes up with it.
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This is cool. It will be very easy to make and adapt to most boatso
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Interesting? Thanks Adam...
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I like blue raspberry kool-aid. I only put 2/3 cup of sugar instead of the whole cup though.
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Oh well, I didn't think malibu's needed anything else hanging off their ass. Clearly I was wrong.... All this garbage hanging off the back is bound to break eventually and it seems like a bandaid....
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It's funny when I ask a legitimate question or pose possible flaws I'm the bad guy.When one of the chosen few say anything no matter how BS it is it's gospel.I guess you have to consider the source?
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just a thought, malibu could have a button where both tabs come out and you would have brakes as well. lol |
is this going to be available on Axis boats as well ?
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To answer a couple of points Adam is a marketing guy,his job is to sell the sizzle! I just got done surfing behind a Tige Z3. It was weighted as follows front 400 lbs full on both sides .Surf side rear 100% full 600lbs .Off side rear 25% full. I surfed both sides and it had tons of push even 12' behind the boat.It took apprx 5-6 minutes to switch sides and that's without a transfer pump. The boat had a 5 to 7 degree list,you could hardly tell it was surf weighted. The off side was washed a bit but looked surf ready. I'm not skilled enough to transfer from one wake to the other,but how many people are? As far as docking I don't know anyone who docks surf weighted. As far as the bs line no more pulling up to the dock weighted,didn't he say his boat was weighted evenly? Now that some of the sizzle is gone consider how much drad(poor fuel economy) this system creates. Secondly how many people would actually want to switch sides in seconds,since their usually switching riders.These are legit questions and facts.Now let the beatings continue!
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Cwb4me- you miss the whole point of this thread. This boat is not about tige or traditional boat ballast systems. We know the traditional pump systems work great. This thread however is about a whole new kind of sytem to create a surf able wave. All boats create drag especially ones filled with heavy ballast systems. Yes this system might have flaws but we don't know that yet all your doing is speculating. Through failure comes progression and props to Malibu for not being afraid o try something new and outside the box.
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So, how do you go from wakeboarding to wakesurfing in seconds? This whole thing still doesn't make 100% sense in my head. When I wakeboard, I don't have 1000 lbs. on one side. I have 1500 lbs. across an 8 foot beam in the back, and depending on whose boat I maybe have a total of 400 lbs in each rear locker. Then I have 650 lbs. in the middle of the boat, and maybe an additional 300 lbs. even across the bow. If I have that weight when I wakeboard, and then I drop to surfing speed, the surf wake is quite disappointing because I don't have that much list to a boat. These tabs make the wake long, and help push it out. These tabs do not drop the boat deeper in the water, or create more depth displacement. I do not see how this will make a wave with more & better push when running with wakeboard weight. I see it greatly helping with shape and length, however, I don't see this actually making the transition from wakeboarding to wakesurfing in a matter of seconds/the time it takes to adjust perfect pass.
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Do you get paid by Tige? If so, I'm curious if they realize you damage the brand more on these boards than you help. |
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and robert, how many people want to switch sides while riding? probably a lot, but even if nobody wants to do that, it would be great to be able to switch riders in a few seconds and still be able to switch sides. I don't surf, but my buddies that do HATE having to change sides due to pumps and bags and such. This product claims to eliminate that, you should be happy, maybe the 2014 tiges will get "surf tabs" just like it. |
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I guess I shouldn't have used the T word because now you guys are missing my point.
1 This boat is weighted-So you have to drain it to dock unweighted. 2 This boat creates drag to produce it's surf wake-this is much more drag than a weighted boat which means it uses more fuel. 3 Different boats don't have to be listed heavily to produce a nice wake- So those boats aren't hard to drive and retrieve riders. 4 I said it was a good idea- I was just pointing out it's not for everybody. Not everyone is going to go out and buy a new boat to switch surfers in seconds. Patience can save you tens of thousands of dollars! |
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