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Old    David Williams (wakeworld)      Join Date: Jan 1997       01-23-2004, 7:12 PM Reply   
Have you seen the two-page ad from Proflight in the latests Wake Boarding magazine? That guy is going BIIIIIIG! I'd suspect some Photoshop work, but check out what the driver's looking at.
Old    Blabelmooch (blabel)      Join Date: Jul 2001       01-23-2004, 8:41 PM Reply   
I was thinking the same thing. That looks big even for a double up. But the driver is looking up!
Old    hogfan (west)      Join Date: Apr 2002       01-24-2004, 3:54 AM Reply   
yeah but what about the reef ad?? NICE!!!!
Old    Dan (wake2wake103)      Join Date: Jul 2003       01-24-2004, 6:00 AM Reply   
Which mounth December, or Feb
Old    Dan (wake2wake103)      Join Date: Jul 2003       01-24-2004, 6:02 AM Reply   
Sorry about the spelling I posted it with out looking over what I wrote
Old    greg (malibususpect)      Join Date: Mar 2003       01-24-2004, 8:43 AM Reply   
daniel its in the march issue, ive seen the same picture somewhere else but i cant remeber where
Old    cdn_wkbrdr            01-24-2004, 4:19 PM Reply   
The march issuse it out? Hope my stores get it soon, I checked yesterday and they only had a couple feb issues.
Old    Joe Umali (dakid)      Join Date: Feb 2001       01-24-2004, 5:19 PM Reply   
Scan and post plz. Thanks.
Old    Mike Isler (isler)      Join Date: Apr 2003       01-24-2004, 6:53 PM Reply   
I've heard the March issue is out...I always get it after everybody else. Sucks. Kinda pisses me off... I have shots in there, and people call me up telling me about them and I haven't seen them yet...
Old    ontrider            01-24-2004, 7:19 PM Reply   
Mike, no kidding huh. I'm always getting mine about 2-3 weeks after everyone else too.
Old    murrayair            01-25-2004, 3:42 AM Reply   
I hear ya, Mike and Jonathan.
Old    Robert (autotunner69)      Join Date: Feb 2003       01-25-2004, 12:40 PM Reply   
thought I'd throw in my $.02, I like the shot on pages 46-47 of the feb. issue or dec. pg. 63 for MB-B52 boats. Plus I have to throw in the pic on pg. 129(dec issue), for collective development, the chick w/the white top-blue jean shorts(WOW), and Parks Bonifay pg. 169 feb issue. How frickin lucky is this guy...Prowakeboarder and HOT ASS chicks!
Old    Christopher Stack (deepstructure)      Join Date: Jun 2002       01-25-2004, 3:36 PM Reply   
i hear ya mike - i haven't received mine yet.
Old    whitechocolate            01-25-2004, 5:29 PM Reply   
Is the Add your talking about with the New Sanger 215 ?
Old    Mark Anderson (puckinshat)      Join Date: Sep 2003       01-26-2004, 10:41 AM Reply   
I guess i'm retarded or something, but I can't find it in the March issue. What page?
Old    CAwakesk8r (hatepwcs)      Join Date: Mar 2002       01-26-2004, 10:45 AM Reply   
Must be that new Sanger wake.
Old    Ryan (easyrider)      Join Date: Oct 2003       01-26-2004, 11:17 AM Reply   
Mark neither can I...
Old    David Williams (wakeworld)      Join Date: Jan 1997       01-26-2004, 11:25 AM Reply   
Pages 36-37
Old    Timothy (timmy)      Join Date: Jul 2001       01-26-2004, 11:31 AM Reply   
the boat is unweighted, you can tell by how it is riding in the water and the small wake. thus the big air is photoshopped
Old    Aaron Nielsen (lzyboy)      Join Date: Jun 2001       01-26-2004, 11:47 AM Reply   
Can someone please SCAN the photo and post it here so we can all check it... my mag still isn' here???

thnx
Old    Timothy (timmy)      Join Date: Jul 2001       01-26-2004, 11:51 AM Reply   
no scanner, sorry
Old    Salmon Tacos (salmon_tacos)      Join Date: Jan 2003       01-26-2004, 12:06 PM Reply   
You don't need a scanner. A digital camera will do the job just fine.
Old    wakeboard_iraq            01-26-2004, 12:11 PM Reply   
If its the one I am thinking about - they guy is doing a grabbed raley with a byerly board being pulled by a Sanger.

I looked at it closely yesterday thinking the same thing. In the lower right corner of the pic you can see a little bit of spray from the point where he hit the wake. Now a lot of photo shopping can be done after that. The drivers expression is not one of surprise (which I would be if somebody was going that huge while I was driving).

In the end though - its a great ad. Look at what we have been talking about: Sanger and Byerly. The ad guy is a genious. He got us talking about it. I hope he gets a good XMAS bonus.
Old    Timothy (timmy)      Join Date: Jul 2001       01-26-2004, 12:12 PM Reply   
good call, here you go


;kl;jkl;
Old    English (kristian)      Join Date: Nov 2002       01-26-2004, 12:13 PM Reply   
yeah, I'd say thats pretty big!
Old    Small Light (stephan)      Join Date: Nov 2002       01-26-2004, 12:16 PM Reply   
I call shenanigans! That's darn near triple-up height.
Old    Small Light (stephan)      Join Date: Nov 2002       01-26-2004, 12:25 PM Reply   
I call shenanigans! That's darn near triple-up height.
Old    jzwake            01-26-2004, 1:21 PM Reply   
It did it's job, it got everyones attention.
Old    swass            01-26-2004, 1:25 PM Reply   
If it is photoshopped, are we OK with the ethics of altering a picture (with no disclaimer) for the purpose of "dramatic license"?
Old    English (kristian)      Join Date: Nov 2002       01-26-2004, 1:35 PM Reply   
Well I think its very photoshopped, he would be way further out in the flats if he were going that big.
But (as said) it did get everyones attention

(Message edited by kristian on January 26, 2004)
Old    David D (wakeguru)      Join Date: Feb 2003       01-26-2004, 1:41 PM Reply   
Shopped.
The guy looks real small...unless he's riding with 120' of rope.
Old    Someone Else (deltahoosier)      Join Date: Jun 2002       01-26-2004, 1:55 PM Reply   
I don't know either way, but, if the guy was just doing a standard HS jump, it only looks like he would only be about 8 ft in the air. I don't think it is out of the question. I've seen people go that big before. Then if that is a wide angle lens, it would not really be field flattened very well, adding to the effect.
Old    Bill Montanye (bill)      Join Date: Feb 2001       01-26-2004, 2:55 PM Reply   
id say it could be real pic but has to be off a dup or t-up for sure..maybe its two real pics one of rider and one of the boat photoshopped together for dramatic effect so its not fake just not shot on the same jump:-)

for real thought hers an oldy but goody which most of you may have seen back in 99 i think of murray off the dup..thats real and huge :-)


murray going big
Old    swass            01-27-2004, 1:31 PM Reply   
Well, I'm not!

I hate carrying on a conversation with myself.

Well don't do it, then.

OK.
Old    Christopher Stack (deepstructure)      Join Date: Jun 2002       01-27-2004, 1:52 PM Reply   
aren't pics altered all the time for advertisements w/o any disclaimers? or would you say it's only necessary if the intent is to appear as reality?

it's a slippery slope - and isn't an idea inherit in your question that we should be able to trust advertisers? i know it's not a strictly caveat emptor market, but still...
Old    murrayair            01-27-2004, 2:24 PM Reply   
I have seen people go that big before, so photoshopping isn't out of the question. BUT, the only people that go that big are Parks and Murray. And he is obviously neither. But, as has been said several times, the ad did its job qutie well.
Old    Mike Isler (isler)      Join Date: Apr 2003       01-27-2004, 7:42 PM Reply   
Christopher,

Many MANY advertisements (in general...outside of the wakeboard world) are altered or "touched up". As for wakeboard advertisements, not many at all are altered or faked. However, there's no need to disclose any changes to the public...though it would be nice if they did.

For editorial usage, however, pictures are not altered. That's an extremely important ethical rule. If it's a "news" or photo-feature image, you can't change the content other than basic brightness, cropping, and color correction.

If you want to get to the bottom of it, find out who the photographer is, and just ask him/her.
Old    craig (skier86)      Join Date: Jan 2004       01-30-2004, 3:12 PM Reply   
im pretty sure that this photo was altered, check out this very similar pic on wakeboarder.com. i think that the pic on wakeboarder.com was the original and the magazine was altered
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       01-30-2004, 3:32 PM Reply   
Either that is NOT the same picture, or there were more alterations made besides the height of the rider. Look at the way the schrubs line up in the background. The scenery is the exact same but the bushes don't line up the same on this one.
Old    Timothy (timmy)      Join Date: Jul 2001       01-30-2004, 4:04 PM Reply   
the bushes do line up they are just stretched vertically.
Old    wakeair            01-30-2004, 4:49 PM Reply   
What do you mean stretched vertically? I don't think the bushes line up. Look at the apparently photoshopped pic and notice how that there are 2 bushes the fit inside the tower. Now look at the wakeboarder.com photo. Only one bush. Look at the riders right leg also. It looks to be stretched or tweaked out further than in the other photo. Also, the handle seems to be slightly further to the left (of the rider).If you think about it, these are not the same photos, but they are of the same trick, same jump. I think The WBM photo was shot slightly later, maybe a half-second later because the boat would have moved foward (past the second bush) and would make the rider position change further into the trick. However, this would not make the rider fly 10 feet higher! The one in the magazine is definately altered height wise.
Old    Keith (rkg)      Join Date: Apr 2002       01-30-2004, 4:52 PM Reply   
I would say two totally separate shots. Look at the passenger in the boat.
Old    Bill Montanye (bill)      Join Date: Feb 2001       01-30-2004, 5:00 PM Reply   
Keith is correct two pictures that appear the same but shot at different times..there are definitly passengers in the second one and none in the first one..

who knows and i actually am not bothered by it because ive seen riders go that big and we all know that buying that tower is not going to improve our riding and make us go that big :-)

hey the pic did its job and is not so far fetched that it is a fraud...

good job by Proflight but i dont need a tower at this time :-)

Old    wakeair            01-30-2004, 5:01 PM Reply   
Dude in the scanned photo you cant see the chick or the guy, but in the magazine you can, in the same position as the wakeboarder.com photo.
Old    Ryan (easyrider)      Join Date: Oct 2003       01-30-2004, 6:41 PM Reply   
maybe off a kicker? just my $.02
Old    Alan Bogdanoff (alan_bogdanoff)      Join Date: Jan 2003       01-30-2004, 9:38 PM Reply   
Either that is some creative editing or his rope is super short?
I think?
But my guesse it was shot at the Delta, and things can get big there. Who know's?
Maybe it's time to buy a Sanger?
Old    ontrider            01-30-2004, 10:28 PM Reply   
Oh, it is definitely real...
check the two pics overlayed

Old    cdn_wkbrdr            01-31-2004, 12:08 PM Reply   
Yeah even the rider looks different. Look at his legs.
Old    wakeair            01-31-2004, 2:20 PM Reply   
I still think its photoshopped. Are you going to take photos of a different rider with the boat in the exact same place and same distance from shore? The rider has the same board and looks to have the same boardshorts. I think it's the same jump but he is photoshopped up to where he is higher and since he is further out it is just a later shot. Just bring the higer "rider" down to where he is level with the other "rider" and it might make sense that it's the same trick, just photoshopped higher up. But it does look real in the ad because the rope angles up to his position and......I dont know...what ever.
Old    tfdhyprider            01-31-2004, 2:40 PM Reply   
yeah the guy would still be looking up in the boat. Even if it isn't that big he would still be lookin up.
Old    ontrider            01-31-2004, 3:34 PM Reply   
Chris D. - exactly! the boats in the exact same spot!
Old    brian ready (graphik)      Join Date: Feb 2003       02-02-2004, 7:08 AM Reply   
Speaking from the point of view as someone who has done this for a living.... the image I'm positive is re-worked. How many times have you seen a regular shot of a raley? Lots right? Well, for the purposes of an ad, they need to stand out, they need to make you impresed, and hopefully impressed enough to remember the name of the tower when you go to purchase one. In the name of successful advertising, it's all about the impact.
Old    jake_hint            02-02-2004, 7:01 PM Reply   
there is a passenger in the wbm ad you just cant see it in that reposted pic bc of the glare
Old    C.I.E..... Evan (guido)      Join Date: Jul 2002       02-03-2004, 2:34 PM Reply   
I say it could be photoshopped, but at the same time I've been in the boat with guys that pull s$%t like that. I've also seen/heard their boards break on the landings. Next time you're all at the delta find BIG Mike "Mac"millen and talk him into pulling one of those board breakers It'll look just like that. Remember also that a raley or hoochie always look bigger cause the rider is stretched upward. Whatever...Peace
Old    Matt (pierce_bronkite)      Join Date: Jul 2003       02-04-2004, 7:40 AM Reply   
Ha ha, man you have to love how everything posted on here is put under a microscope and heavily analyzed...nothing can slip through on here!
Old    wakeair            02-04-2004, 5:09 PM Reply   
Well the fact that the boat is in the exact same spot should speak for itself...
Old    whitechocolate            02-04-2004, 5:16 PM Reply   
Hey I was at the boat show and In the Pro flight, booth. I over heard the Pro Flight people laughing at the fact that we were discussing this add here on Wakeworld, They know we are discussing it, I haven't read all the above post's but if it was real Im sure they had a chance to chime in and say so. So Ill say it "ITS FAKE"
Old    liquidforce7            02-04-2004, 5:25 PM Reply   
When I look at the overlay picture it looks as if the second posted picture was taken a second before the first posted picture. That would explain the amount of bushes you see under the tower because the boat moved 4 or 5 feet, and also the rider got a few more feet in the air and had time to bend his legs. However the passenger thing is the only issue. Maybe he/she was ducking in the first picture or hidden behind the tower. Im no expert but to me it looks as if they are 2 different pictures taken by the same camera seconds apart from each other.
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       02-05-2004, 7:29 AM Reply   
Chris. The boat is not in the same spot. Look at how the bushes line up in the tower. I think Todd is right.
Old    wakeair            02-05-2004, 4:40 PM Reply   
Todd- Exactly. But, You can't see the passengers in the scanned WBM ad as in the wakeboarder.com pic, so it looks like there are no passengers in the WBM ad when there really are, in the same spot.
J-Rod- Did you read my other 2 posts? I explained why the boat is NEARLY in the exact same spot.

(Message edited by wakeair on February 05, 2004)
Old    Rebecca Poulos (wakesk8wannabe)      Join Date: Oct 2003       02-05-2004, 6:29 PM Reply   
definatly altured. I could tell without the comparison, the rope takes like a 45 degree angle at the crease
Old    Rebecca Poulos (wakesk8wannabe)      Join Date: Oct 2003       02-05-2004, 6:33 PM Reply   
it looks like the guy is doing a different trick in the two picts, take a close look.
Old    Rebecca Poulos (wakesk8wannabe)      Join Date: Oct 2003       02-05-2004, 6:38 PM Reply   
check this
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Old    Rebecca Poulos (wakesk8wannabe)      Join Date: Oct 2003       02-05-2004, 6:38 PM Reply   
how do u get an image on here?
Old    Rebecca Poulos (wakesk8wannabe)      Join Date: Oct 2003       02-05-2004, 6:40 PM Reply   
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Old    Rebecca Poulos (wakesk8wannabe)      Join Date: Oct 2003       02-05-2004, 6:41 PM Reply   
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Old    Rebecca Poulos (wakesk8wannabe)      Join Date: Oct 2003       02-05-2004, 6:42 PM Reply   
nvm
Old    Rebecca Poulos (wakesk8wannabe)      Join Date: Oct 2003       02-05-2004, 6:48 PM Reply   
I think i got it...
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Old    Rebecca Poulos (wakesk8wannabe)      Join Date: Oct 2003       02-05-2004, 6:48 PM Reply   
:-( i'll stop wasting ur reading time
Old    wakeair            02-06-2004, 9:43 PM Reply   
ugh_ It's the same trick. Did you read and notice the boat is nearly in the exact same spot in the pic and exact same spot from shore? Does anybody know what I'm talking about?
Does anyone tweak their graps? The pick on the right is him pushing his right leg out..."tweaking" or adding style to his grab. The pic on the left is when he is bringing his leg back in to get ready to land.....that's what I think
Old    Salmon Tacos (salmon_tacos)      Join Date: Jan 2003       02-06-2004, 10:02 PM Reply   
Chris D,

You've got it right. The odds of those shots not being two in the same sequence are probably worse than a billion to one. I think the magazine pic MAY have been photoshopped a little because of the extremely high trajectory shown by the sequence but I can't really be sure just from that pic of the magazine because of the distortion from the curved pages.

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