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Old     (manels1111)      Join Date: Jun 2019       06-19-2019, 11:42 AM Reply   
I picked up a new Sanger V215s comes with 1000lb ballast in both rear lockers and 500 lb in ski locker towards bow. I"m still trying to dial in my surfing wave. I've filled starboard 1000lb and 500lb in the ski locker, with 4 adults on the starboard side, plus driver and got a nice rideable wave. It sure seemed listed and made me a little uncomfortable. I have a swell slim suck gate I'm going to try out this weekend.

Anyone compared the listed Sanger wave vs a suck gate unlisted wave?
Old     (broncofan)      Join Date: Oct 2007       06-20-2019, 2:09 AM Reply   
Do you have a surf system on it? I think listed and suck gate of some kind works best. I tried it unlisted and was not impressed. Good luck. I have had my 215 since 04.
Old     (manels1111)      Join Date: Jun 2019       06-20-2019, 5:42 AM Reply   
No didn't get the surf tabs. I'll probably add on this winter. Due to the step in the hull, I'm thinking of placing the suck gate on the bottom part of hull all the way to the back. The swell slim fits in this location nicely but its a bit under the water. Fill up all the ballast and then rotate people to list the boat enough to get the suck gate closer to the water line. I'll try to take some pic/video for others.
Old     (SangerTom)      Join Date: Aug 2010       06-20-2019, 12:36 PM Reply   
I have a 2015 - fill both rears to 1,000. I have an extra 100 lbs of lead in each rear side plus another 100 in the bow and 100 in the middle. Use the Nauticurl and get a good wave. No need to list it.
Old     (manels1111)      Join Date: Jun 2019       06-20-2019, 2:10 PM Reply   
Thanks Sanger Tom, I'll try that out. Is that with other people in boat as well or pretty empty?
Old     (SySurfer)      Join Date: Jun 2019       06-21-2019, 6:59 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by SangerTom View Post
I have a 2015 - fill both rears to 1,000. I have an extra 100 lbs of lead in each rear side plus another 100 in the bow and 100 in the middle. Use the Nauticurl and get a good wave. No need to list it.
Tom, where are you putting the additional weight on the bow and middle? Do you also fill up the 500 front ballast? Have you tried the Swell Slim, which I have but curious to know if you think the Nautical is a better option.

Last edited by SySurfer; 06-21-2019 at 7:01 AM. Reason: added content
Old     (SangerTom)      Join Date: Aug 2010       06-21-2019, 10:01 AM Reply   
I fill up the center locker also. The 100 lbs in each rear locker go in the very far corners. The sacks will fill up and rest on them. I then have 50 lbs of lead in the "cooler locker" and opposite that on port side. The other 100 lbs is split in the bow on each side under the seats each side.

I've used the Ronix wake shaper and the Nauticurl. I prefer the Nauticurl but a buddy that has the exact same 2015 V215 likes the Ronix (that's why they make chocolate and vanilla ice cream).

The nauticurl is set so the top just barely pokes out of the water as far back as I can go. It pops off at times which is pain.

We like to run at 11.2 others like to run at 10.5.
Old     (SangerTom)      Join Date: Aug 2010       06-21-2019, 10:03 AM Reply   
If we run 3 or 4 people, sometimes I will bring a 500 or 750 lb sac and set it on the floor mid-ship or front.
Old     (manels1111)      Join Date: Jun 2019       06-21-2019, 3:14 PM Reply   
Sounds good, I think I got a decent grasp on things to try this weekend with the Swell Slim. I'm probably going to have about 7 to 9 adults in the boat with stock ballasts all filled. I hope that will be enough with the slim suck gate. I'll try to do some comparisons video's.
Old     (manels1111)      Join Date: Jun 2019       06-21-2019, 3:16 PM Reply   
Also Sanger Tom curious what you're using for your lead weight?
Old     (SangerTom)      Join Date: Aug 2010       06-22-2019, 12:53 AM Reply   
I ordered from LeadWake.com I think Amazon sells them too. I got 50 lb bags
Old     (SySurfer)      Join Date: Jun 2019       06-24-2019, 1:57 PM Reply   
@SangerTom Do you have Surf Plates, if so do you use them in your set up?
Old     (SangerTom)      Join Date: Aug 2010       06-24-2019, 3:36 PM Reply   
I don't. Some on the Sanger Boat Owners FB page just had some aftermarkets put on. Waiting to hear about how they work. I'm thinking about it.
Old     (SangerTom)      Join Date: Aug 2010       06-24-2019, 3:41 PM Reply   
I don't. Some on the Sanger Boat Owners FB page just had some aftermarkets put on. Waiting to hear about how they work. I'm thinking about it.
Old     (SySurfer)      Join Date: Jun 2019       06-25-2019, 6:43 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by SangerTom View Post
I don't. Some on the Sanger Boat Owners FB page just had some aftermarkets put on. Waiting to hear about how they work. I'm thinking about it.
I have them on my 2019 215sx. They help elongate the wake but still trying to optimize which is why I asked.
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       06-25-2019, 7:03 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by SangerTom View Post
I fill up the center locker also. The 100 lbs in each rear locker go in the very far corners. The sacks will fill up and rest on them. I then have 50 lbs of lead in the "cooler locker" and opposite that on port side. The other 100 lbs is split in the bow on each side under the seats each side.

I've used the Ronix wake shaper and the Nauticurl. I prefer the Nauticurl but a buddy that has the exact same 2015 V215 likes the Ronix (that's why they make chocolate and vanilla ice cream).

The nauticurl is set so the top just barely pokes out of the water as far back as I can go. It pops off at times which is pain.

We like to run at 11.2 others like to run at 10.5.
SangerTom - Interesting. def need to see pics of your wave.

I have a 230 so slightly longer hull. I'll post what works for us.

water weight:
surf side rear locker full: 1100 lbs
ski locker full: 350
center walkway sac: 750

lead:
600 lbs spread evenly left to right midship
400 lbs even under bow seats.

if we're light on people, i'll move some of the midship lead to the surf side.

suck gate on oppo side.

yes, your rubrail will be under water while sitting. loop your bilge line up into the top cap or check valve it.

all i've ever seen/heard about Sanger's is list the crap out of it and have a good amount of bow weight. Interested to see what an evenly weighted wave looks like.

I'll try to find pics of mine, but just replaced hard drive on my laptop so no promises.
Old     (manels1111)      Join Date: Jun 2019       06-25-2019, 10:45 AM Reply   
So back from lake.

Setup

10mph
1000lb each rear locker
500lb ski locker
600 lbs people wait in bow
600 lbs people weight surf side rear seats

Massive wave but very short. Also if I had all the people in back of boat, I couldn't even get the boat up to speed. It was so bogged down and never got on plane. Felt like I needed more bow weight but wasn't any room left. Next time out I'm going to try 750 in rear lockers so bow to rear weight is a little more balanced.

I tried the Swell Slim on bottom step but it was to far under water this weighted. I ended up placing it higher up on the boat right behind sanger lettering.

Last edited by manels1111; 06-25-2019 at 10:52 AM.
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       06-26-2019, 7:05 AM Reply   
In the interest of "more weight = better wave" I used to put a few hundred pounds in oppo side. then I drained all the weight on that side and my wave came to life.

been surfing it like this for 5 or 6 years. before you give up next time, drain the opposite side.

my buddy just got a supra sl. it likes rear surf side 100%, oppo 75 to 100%, front 50% and some magical wake plate chit under the boat.

Sanger and Supra are NOT the same! drain your opposite side. ZERO weight in rear opposite side. have fun on the water and post a thank you to me later if you remember.
Cheers and enjoy the boat

PS. yes your rubrail will be in the water. only then will you know it's weighted properly!
Old     (broncofan)      Join Date: Oct 2007       06-27-2019, 2:12 AM Reply   
Hence listed like I said.
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       06-27-2019, 2:52 AM Reply   
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Hence listed like I said.
well let's close the thread now, the truth has been spoken. LOL
Old     (SySurfer)      Join Date: Jun 2019       06-28-2019, 5:35 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by denverd1 View Post
In the interest of "more weight = better wave" I used to put a few hundred pounds in oppo side. then I drained all the weight on that side and my wave came to life.

been surfing it like this for 5 or 6 years. before you give up next time, drain the opposite side.

my buddy just got a supra sl. it likes rear surf side 100%, oppo 75 to 100%, front 50% and some magical wake plate chit under the boat.

Sanger and Supra are NOT the same! drain your opposite side. ZERO weight in rear opposite side. have fun on the water and post a thank you to me later if you remember.
Cheers and enjoy the boat

PS. yes your rubrail will be in the water. only then will you know it's weighted properly!

Do you use a wake shaper with this config?
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       06-28-2019, 5:38 AM Reply   
yes. may not be necessary, but REALLY cleans it up
Old     (SySurfer)      Join Date: Jun 2019       06-28-2019, 5:52 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by denverd1 View Post
yes. may not be necessary, but REALLY cleans it up
Do you have surf plates?
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       06-28-2019, 7:26 AM Reply   
nope
Old     (SySurfer)      Join Date: Jun 2019       06-28-2019, 7:39 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by denverd1 View Post
nope
the last question, are you adding any additional weight other than ballast.
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       06-28-2019, 7:53 AM Reply   
800 lbs lead.
500 midship. sometimes move 200 to 300 to the surf side depending on crew
300 up front split evenly
Old     (manels1111)      Join Date: Jun 2019       06-29-2019, 6:15 PM Reply   
Here is the video of my sanger v215s unlisted wave at the lake last weekend. Sorry someone's arm was in the gopro's way but you can kind of see the wave. https://youtu.be/NHxxEY1O5Ao I left the gopro running and killed the battery so I didn't get any video of people riding the wave without rope, but it was possible. However it was a very short pocket.

Last edited by manels1111; 06-29-2019 at 6:18 PM.
Old     (SangerTom)      Join Date: Aug 2010       06-30-2019, 3:02 AM Reply   
Wave length looks about right. A wake shaper will clean it up. Looks like a lot of white water mid to top (can't tell with the arm there). The rider is to far out of the wave to find the pocket.
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       06-30-2019, 5:09 AM Reply   
Here's a listed wave. She's 6' in this one
Old     (SySurfer)      Join Date: Jun 2019       07-12-2019, 8:39 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by denverd1 View Post
Here's a listed wave. She's 6' in this one
You need more weight in the very back of the boat. Last night we did an experiment and put 200 lbs of leadwake in the surf side locker, as far back as possible under the ballast. We had 1200 lbs on surf side, 1/3 fill on non-surf side, We also put 300 in the bow 150 on each side and the wave, surf tabs were down 20-30%. No middle ballast and the wave was awesome, huge, tons of push, you could ride 10-15 feet back from transom with a good push. The boat needs the extra weight as far back in the surf side corner as possible. No wake shaper found it didn't help much when we put it on. I'll try to post a video If possible. The boat is listed but it does not feel unsafe.
Old     (manels1111)      Join Date: Jun 2019       07-12-2019, 11:47 AM Reply   
I'm going to try a few different setups this weekend. I got 300 lbs of lead to work with now. Will try your setup, however I don't have the tabs so we'll see how it goes with the suck gate.
Old     (manels1111)      Join Date: Jun 2019       07-12-2019, 11:48 AM Reply   
Sysurf how many people in boat as well? Where did you sit them?
Old     (SySurfer)      Join Date: Jun 2019       07-14-2019, 6:53 AM Reply   
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Sysurf how many people in the boat as well? Where did you sit them?
We had 4 people in total, so three in the boat. Two on the surf side, each person was about 200 lbs and driver.

Update, I moved 100 from front to surf side and it helped. I have some video that I'll try to upload later today.
Old     (manels1111)      Join Date: Jun 2019       07-14-2019, 4:29 PM Reply   
So back from the delta and we had a surfable wave. I don't think it was very long but this was the setup.

1000lb bag with 200lb lead starboard(surf side)
About 750lb bag(3/4 full) port(non surf side)
500lb middle bag
200lb yeti ice chest and 100lb lead in bow
500lb 3 people back surfside
Suck gate was not on the lower step of the hull as both sides were pretty weighted. I placed it higher up on the hull where the edge was just cresting the water at resting.

I have video will post link in a few.
Old     (manels1111)      Join Date: Jun 2019       07-14-2019, 5:33 PM Reply   
Here is my GF riding and me....not sure about her weight....I'm 225lbs. Wave is rideable but I feel like I still need to make the pocket longer. I also feel like I need to get some more riding skills.

https://youtu.be/ELk2Wyrw50Y

Last edited by manels1111; 07-14-2019 at 5:40 PM.
Old     (SySurfer)      Join Date: Jun 2019       07-15-2019, 2:42 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by manels1111 View Post
So back from the delta and we had a surfable wave. I don't think it was very long but this was the setup.

1000lb bag with 200lb lead starboard(surf side)
About 750lb bag(3/4 full) port(non surf side)
500lb middle bag
200lb yeti ice chest and 100lb lead in bow
500lb 3 people back surfside
Suck gate was not on the lower step of the hull as both sides were pretty weighted. I placed it higher up on the hull where the edge was just cresting the water at resting.

I have video will post link in a few.
Have you tried to drain non-surf side to 0 lbs and 0 in the middle compartment and see if there is a difference?
Old     (manels1111)      Join Date: Jun 2019       07-15-2019, 8:40 AM Reply   
I have done 1000lbs surf side and 500lbs middle ski locker and piled a bunch of people on one side. I have not tried just the surf side rear filled. I try that out next time.
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       07-18-2019, 8:29 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by SySurfer View Post
You need more weight in the very back of the boat. Last night we did an experiment and put 200 lbs of leadwake in the surf side locker, as far back as possible under the ballast. We had 1200 lbs on surf side, 1/3 fill on non-surf side, We also put 300 in the bow 150 on each side and the wave, surf tabs were down 20-30%. No middle ballast and the wave was awesome, huge, tons of push, you could ride 10-15 feet back from transom with a good push. The boat needs the extra weight as far back in the surf side corner as possible. No wake shaper found it didn't help much when we put it on. I'll try to post a video If possible. The boat is listed but it does not feel unsafe.
welcome to the forum. i'll keep that in mind.

you do realize, setting up a boat with tabs and one without will be different, right?
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       07-18-2019, 8:31 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by manels1111 View Post
Here is my GF riding and me....not sure about her weight....I'm 225lbs. Wave is rideable but I feel like I still need to make the pocket longer. I also feel like I need to get some more riding skills.

https://youtu.be/ELk2Wyrw50Y
more bow weight may help. what speed?
Old     (SangerTom)      Join Date: Aug 2010       07-18-2019, 4:30 PM Reply   
Someone asked for picture of our wave.
Attached Images
  
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       07-19-2019, 5:07 AM Reply   
Sanger Tom,
that's a proper wave.
Old     (Louanne)      Join Date: Jul 2019       Yesterday, 9:07 AM Reply   
Sangertom. When I fill ballast all the way I canít get up to speed. I have infant 360. Do have bigger motor?
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       Yesterday, 11:51 AM Reply   
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Sangertom. When I fill ballast all the way I canít get up to speed. I have infant 360. Do have bigger motor?
time for a prop upgrade. even with the 360, you should be able to get a couple thousand pounds moving
Old     (Louanne)      Join Date: Jul 2019       Yesterday, 1:16 PM Reply   
Crazy Sanger wouldnít upgrade the prop considering all the weight in ballast. Just got 215s. Straight from factory. I can get amazing wave listing to one side but want to play with swell wake shaper
Old     (Louanne)      Join Date: Jul 2019       Yesterday, 3:28 PM Reply   
I have front ballast full to. So like 2500 pounds. Any prop recommendations?
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       Today, 1:26 AM Reply   
Acme 911 if you're not concerned with top end
Old     (SySurfer)      Join Date: Jun 2019       Today, 2:06 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by denverd1 View Post
welcome to the forum. i'll keep that in mind.

you do realize, setting up a boat with tabs and one without will be different, right?
Yes, went out again last night and the surf tab retracted actually made the wave better. Its starts to lose push when deployed. I'm not really happy with the Bennet Tabs and will be looking to modify in the future.
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       Today, 2:19 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by SySurfer View Post
Yes, went out again last night and the surf tab retracted actually made the wave better. Its starts to lose push when deployed. I'm not really happy with the Bennet Tabs and will be looking to modify in the future.
damn i was thinking off adding those to mine....
Old     (Aurex)      Join Date: Aug 2014       Today, 5:18 AM Reply   
Bennett tabs work great on our 2017 215 XTZ.

Do you have the latest updates from Sanger?
Old     (SySurfer)      Join Date: Jun 2019       Today, 6:44 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aurex View Post
Bennett tabs work great on our 2017 215 XTZ.

Do you have the latest updates from Sanger?
I have a 2019 so should have the most recent update unless one has come out recently. Where can I check?

RE: tabs, I feel like they take push out of the wave. How far down do you deploy yours? What is your weight set up? The best wave so far is when we have the boat listed with 1200 lbs back surf locker, 200 lbs upfront and 100 lbs surfside.

Sanger went away from the Bennets, the 2020 have GSA tabs.

Last edited by SySurfer; Today at 6:45 AM. Reason: updated
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       Today, 7:12 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by SySurfer View Post
I have a 2019 so should have the most recent update unless one has come out recently. Where can I check?

RE: tabs, I feel like they take push out of the wave. How far down do you deploy yours? What is your weight set up? The best wave so far is when we have the boat listed with 1200 lbs back surf locker, 200 lbs upfront and 100 lbs surfside.

Sanger went away from the Bennets, the 2020 have GSA tabs.
sounds similar to my setup
Old     (CALIV210)      Join Date: Jun 2015       Today, 8:02 AM Reply   
I'm no expert so dont flame me but all the guys I know that surf say the DELTA is a hard place to get a good wave due to the water being so shallow .
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       Today, 8:07 AM Reply   
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I'm no expert so dont flame me but all the guys I know that surf say the DELTA is a hard place to get a good wave due to the water being so shallow .
It's true. There's a point that comes out into a fairly deep 12 - 15' part of the lake in one of the lines we run regularly. if newbs are driving they sometimes get us in 6 to 8' deep areas around the point. wave flattens out like someone pulled the plug and instantly drained everything. then once we get past it, comes right back to life.

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