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View Poll Results: Which boat (with max ballast) throws the closest wake to a stock nautique G series?
+2015 Axis A22 6 50.00%
+2007 Xstar LY6 3 25.00%
+2012 Malibu MXZ 22 2 16.67%
Other (please specify in thread) 1 8.33%
Voters: 12. You may not vote on this poll

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Old    Jose Castillo (JoseCastillo)      Join Date: Feb 2017       01-08-2018, 7:55 AM Reply   
Hi guys,

This is my first post, so go easy on me.

I have read countless of posts, getting mixed information so I decided to start one, hopefully with the ultimate info on getting the best wake possible for 50k or less. (helping anyone in my situation in having a one stop post with all info, as well).

A bit of background, I currently own a 98 Super Sport Nautique, which I wakeboard behind with around 3.200 lbs in ballast, plus 2 people. I am 32 years old and am an intermediatte/advanced rider, with a few mobes, 5s and a hs 7. I ride 5 times a week and am on the national wakeboard team of my country (I live in South America). Gas here is around 4 dollars per gallon.

So let's dive right in:

- old 210 nautique is fine, but as a serious rider I sense boats and wakes have drifted away from the short transition/abrupt pop, style of wake.

- Ideally I want to get a G21, but have a max budget of 50k (which I then have to import, ending with a final price of around 90k after paying freight and import tariffs ).

- I mainly care about wake size/type, mechanical reliance and fuel consumption. Boat candidates are:

1.) Used 2012 Malibu MXZ 22 with 409 engine.
2.) Used 2007 Mastercraft X-star with LY6 engine.

I discarded both Axis A22 and Nautique 230, since the wake does not seem to be all that better than the 210, from what I have read.

Am leaning towards MXZ since it seems to have better fuel consumption, and less mechanical issues than the X-Star. I know getting a 2012 for 50k is currently a strech, but I am in no rush and would be searching for one as the year progresses.

Hope to get everyone's input, and make a wise decision with this future purchase. thanks

Last edited by JoseCastillo; 01-08-2018 at 7:58 AM. Reason: grammar
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       01-08-2018, 10:07 AM Reply   
an a22 will get G sized with the correct weighting. It is also a better shape (more lip with less weight) than the OG x star, but if you are ballin' on a budget there are OG Star deals to be had because they don't surf.

The current A22 hull is better than the older mxz hull.

Skip a 230 and get an A22 or 07 xstar
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       01-08-2018, 10:16 AM Reply   
The current A22 hull is better than the older mxz hull.

Agreed. I owned both. The A22 with the small motor produced a better wake than the MXZ with the LS3.
Old    Jose Castillo (JoseCastillo)      Join Date: Feb 2017       01-08-2018, 10:25 AM Reply   
Great input!

What year is considered current, for the A22? I think this hull came out in 2010

Thanks
Old    Steve Amestoy (stevev210)      Join Date: Feb 2005       01-08-2018, 10:47 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by josecastillo View Post
great input!

What year is considered current, for the a22? I think this hull came out in 2010

thanks
2015+
Old    Tyler Conley (TC_Mastercraf_X5)      Join Date: Feb 2013       01-08-2018, 11:27 AM Reply   
That said the 2015+ A22s have had some wicked bow rise compared to the 2012-2014 boats
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       01-08-2018, 11:41 AM Reply   
I had 3 MXZs, and two A22s (15 and 16) The bow rise was no more than any other boat I experienced. I'm assuming we're talking about wakeboarding. The A22 likes a lot of bow weight and I'd say that helps.
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       01-08-2018, 12:41 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by jarrod View Post
I had 3 MXZs, and two A22s (15 and 16) The bow rise was no more than any other boat I experienced. I'm assuming we're talking about wakeboarding. The A22 likes a lot of bow weight and I'd say that helps.
I don't understand the complaint either-
When the wedge kicks in planing off you get a blindspot for about 3 seconds if you're loaded to the gills but like, if you have any spacial awareness at all this should not bother anyone
Old    Jose Castillo (JoseCastillo)      Join Date: Feb 2017       01-08-2018, 1:26 PM Reply   
I don't mind a bit of bow rise (i have a 210 after all), i do mind however swaping boats for something significantly better wake wise.

Also, how can I change this post to the "boats" category which i just noticed exists. Thnks

Last edited by JoseCastillo; 01-08-2018 at 1:34 PM.
Old    Lucas Parker (lucas200397)      Join Date: Aug 2013       01-08-2018, 2:36 PM Reply   
2013 MB TOMCAT F21 with 4000#'s 24 mph, 75' rope rider is 5'10" - 5'11" for sale 50K about to roll 200 hrs only selling to upgrade to the F24
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Old    Jose Castillo (JoseCastillo)      Join Date: Feb 2017       01-08-2018, 5:54 PM Reply   
Hi Lucas. Wake looks awesome.

Since I can't demo boats however, i'll probably stick with these 3: nautiques, mastercrafts and malibus

Good luck with your sale!
Old    Lucas Parker (lucas200397)      Join Date: Aug 2013       01-08-2018, 6:38 PM Reply   
Old    Jose Castillo (JoseCastillo)      Join Date: Feb 2017       01-09-2018, 6:37 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by simplej View Post
an a22 will get G sized with the correct weighting. It is also a better shape (more lip with less weight) than the OG x star, but if you are ballin' on a budget there are OG Star deals to be had because they don't surf.

The current A22 hull is better than the older mxz hull.

Skip a 230 and get an A22 or 07 xstar
How does fuel consumption compare between a new A22 and an OG xstar?

I found deals like this one for the x-star
https://www.onlyinboards.com/2007-Ma...ana-62628.aspx

whereas, i can't seem to find a 2015 A22 for 50k or less
Old    Tom (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       01-09-2018, 6:37 AM Reply   
A 2012 22 MXZ will put out a bangin wake. I wouldn't hesitate on that one. As others said though, the 15+ A22 is also a great boat and might be more easily found in your price range.

Last edited by boardjnky4; 01-09-2018 at 6:40 AM.
Old    W. S. (on_wi)      Join Date: Feb 2013       01-09-2018, 7:25 AM Reply   
I like to peruse OIB frequently. I don't think a 2015+ Axis A22 is in the 50 or less bucket. At least not what I've seen online.
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       01-09-2018, 9:00 AM Reply   
You might be able to get a 14 t22- which should be in that range and has a strikingly similar wake.
Old    Ian Spencer (Xbigpun66)      Join Date: Aug 2016       01-09-2018, 7:54 PM Reply   
My 2004 210 I used to have had a huge steep wake with 5k ballast. It was scary big.
Old    Jose Castillo (JoseCastillo)      Join Date: Feb 2017       01-10-2018, 6:11 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xbigpun66 View Post
My 2004 210 I used to have had a huge steep wake with 5k ballast. It was scary big.
How do you manage to fit 5k of ballast inside a 210?

Max ballast I have managed to fit is 2x750lbs in the back. 450lbs in storage locker and 750 on top, and 1000lbs triangle in the bow. With 2 people and some gear, I reckon a total of 4.000 lbs.

The wake was rather steep, and I had to ride with a 77ft rope and at 23.5mph!
Old    BLAIR BARHAM (jonblarc7)      Join Date: Jul 2006       01-10-2018, 11:21 AM Reply   
What about a supra SA

I heard with enough weight they can put out some thing close to what a G23 puts out.

https://www.onlyinboards.com/2014-Su...sas-72392.aspx
Old    Ian Spencer (Xbigpun66)      Join Date: Aug 2016       01-10-2018, 8:15 PM Reply   
We has 1100 bag in each rear locker (tanks removed). Factory 650 belly tank. 1100 bag under front seats. And some lead.
Old    Jose Castillo (JoseCastillo)      Join Date: Feb 2017       01-11-2018, 7:48 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonblarc7 View Post
What about a supra SA

I heard with enough weight they can put out some thing close to what a G23 puts out.

https://www.onlyinboards.com/2014-Su...sas-72392.aspx
I think as far as Supra goes, if wanting to compete with a Gseries boat, one would have to look at
SA's with 450 or 550 engines, outside our 50k budget. But good tip on the 350! that one looks like a killer boat at an awesome price!
Old    Jose Castillo (JoseCastillo)      Join Date: Feb 2017       01-11-2018, 7:54 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xbigpun66 View Post
We has 1100 bag in each rear locker (tanks removed). Factory 650 belly tank. 1100 bag under front seats. And some lead.
That setup would definitely make for a very steep wake.

With the 210, what I usually do is try to keep the boat balanced, 2x600 in the back, 1.000lbs in the middle (between locker and fat sac on top) and 1000lb triangle at the bow. Around 3.200 lbs plus people and gear, riding at 23mph with a 75ft rope, makes for a clean, rideable wake, with just enough steepness without being unmanageable and too punishing on the body!
Old    Tom (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       01-11-2018, 9:00 AM Reply   
FWIW, I would say that I also think a 15+ A22 has a wake that is more similar in shape to a G23. It's steeper and more firm than a gen1 22 MXZ.
Old    Aric Brabec (aricsx15)      Join Date: Jan 2014       01-11-2018, 2:11 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonblarc7 View Post
What about a supra SA

I heard with enough weight they can put out some thing close to what a G23 puts out.

https://www.onlyinboards.com/2014-Su...sas-72392.aspx
Holy crap, thatís some depreciation
Old    C.I.E. J-Rod (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       01-12-2018, 9:05 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by aricsx15 View Post
Holy crap, thatís some depreciation
Sure is.
Old    Cole Reid (Surfer101)      Join Date: Oct 2015       01-12-2018, 10:12 PM Reply   
That Supra would definitely be my choice as well. Great price and great boat, especially with wakeboarding in mind.

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