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Old     (cedarcreek216V)      Join Date: Aug 2011       10-14-2017, 7:37 AM Reply   
Iíve started the search for a new tow vehicle and would like some opinions. It will be a diesel of some sort but thatís about where my decisions have come to a stop.

All I tow is our boat, which is a 2018 SAN 210. That said, I do tow it a lot. Our lake house is a 3 hour round trip which we do weekly in the summer and at least one 5+ hour trip each summer to a new spot. We live in Texas so the Lakehouse trip is relatively flat. Iíve looked at both half ton diesel options, the Dodge eco-diesel and the Titan XD diesel. Of course the 3/4 ton options are all of interest but the budget starts to get stretched with these. I want to stay under $50k. I can get a new Ram2500 for that but no where close in the Ford and until Chevy decides to put rear air back in their trucks I wonít buy one.

Interior options are critical as we will drive this vehicle a lot. So, do I do a loaded 1/2 ton diesel brand new or a used 3/4 ton and roll the dice on used?

Any goods/bads/uglies to be aware of? Will the 1/2 ton ride a lot better with no load? Any help would be appreciated.
Old     (infinitysurf)      Join Date: Apr 2017       10-14-2017, 8:13 AM Reply   
I have Chevy 2016 Z71 1500 truck with 5.3 engine that just turned 40k miles and I regularly pull my 2014 SV244 which is between 8000-8500lbs with tandem trailer (the tow package on truck is rated for 9300lbs). Course it helps to have hydraulic brakes on the trailer, sure your 2018 would have that option too. I pull my boat for at least 2-4 hours a week, and took a 5hr ride, one way, thru TN mountains a couple months ago to go to Norris Lake and truck did great. Obviously fuel efficiency when towing goes down....but I still "average" 18.4mpg on the truck. Plenty of power since that engine is fuel injected, and still has good braking.
I don't pull any other big objects around and did not want to buy a huge desiel truck simply to pull my boat for few hours most weeks....and then be spending more money on desiel fuel and getting less fuel mileage everywhere else I go since its also my everyday vehicle.
Truck looks sharp and is very comfortable....I got the short bed 4 door so the back seats are also plenty large and we use it for family outings as well.
I DONT have rear air bags on my Chevy as you mentioned above and have not noticed I don't have them either. Rear barely sags but I got specialty receiver so trailer rides level with truck....not sure why you need those air bags.
There is no doubt a 2500 will be better.....just saying a half ton will do all you need as long as its rated high enough towing, would assume the 210 weights significantly less than my boat
Old     (cedarcreek216V)      Join Date: Aug 2011       10-14-2017, 9:40 AM Reply   
When I mentioned rear air, I was meaning AC to the back seats. Chevy is the only brand not putting AC vents for the rear seats. I rode in one a few weekends ago and the back seats was noticeably uncomfortable. Itís unfortunate because I think they are the best looking of the bunch.
Old     (meathead65)      Join Date: Sep 2006       10-14-2017, 12:33 PM Reply   
Oh boy, this is WakeWorld, so let me sum it up right off the bat:
If you haul anything larger than a canoe you will need at minimum a F650 PowerUmmins Dooley 6 Door lifted with 44's, the maximum available tune for a minimum of 9000 horsepower and 23500 foot pounds of torque. Anything less and you are a hazard to yourself and everyone else on the road and are simply waiting to have your enormously heavy boat push your truck into a flaming ball of death and destruction.

Or, get a nice half ton truck or a comfortable SUV that is rated by the manufacturer that will pull what you need to pull, make sure your trailer and trailer brakes are adequate and in good working order, observe the legal towing speeds where you live and drive sensibly and leave an comfortable space cushion around your rig.
Old     (cedarcreek216V)      Join Date: Aug 2011       10-14-2017, 12:42 PM Reply   
I have a more than capable full size SUV now. Iím going to get a truck for my next vehicle and it will be a diesel of some sort. My question is, are the two half ton dieselís worth a look and is the ride quality that much better in the half ton chassis or do I just go 3/4 ton and buy used?
Old     (Xbigpun66)      Join Date: Aug 2016       10-14-2017, 1:03 PM Reply   
We tow our 2014 210 with a Durango RT and a grand cherokee summit. It works great.
Old     (infinitysurf)      Join Date: Apr 2017       10-14-2017, 5:01 PM Reply   
lol, totally misunderstood you on the rear air. I agree....you would think they would have air vents back there and hopefully they will pull head out of ass soon on that.

I have not seen either of the 2 new desiel half tons....bet they would be great tho and have plenty of power for you, usually bigger brakes too since they are rated for bigger loads. The upside to buying new....is the warranty and lower APR's, downside is the bigger depreciation hit. Used...less depreciation and possibly little less warranty. Guess APR will be dependant on credit anyway. Personally I like buying a new "leftover" and have done that on the last couple vehicles I have bought (0% APR) and my boat was also bought as new leftover. May not be possible with the desiel truck option tho I suppose, since its new.
Old     (chilidog)      Join Date: Dec 2007       10-14-2017, 6:15 PM Reply   
For me it comes down to stress on the vehicle, which really comes down to the terrain you tow over, speeds etc and how much crap you stuff in your bed and the boat. I went from a 1/2 ton that was tapped, but could pull my boat, to a 3/4 ton diesel that wasnt stressed. I don't tow very far but do tow alot and my 3/4 ton diesel Dodge does well. I will caution against the 07.5 to 10 cummins 6.7 as they didn't have the def and the exhaust system/EGR can be problematic for some, certainly was for me at 60K miles. The interiors on the 10+ dodges are way nicer too. Dodge parts quality, outside of the drivetrain, is about a 6/10 from my experience. My 09 has alot of broken interior stuff for no good reason now thats its got some years on it.

The half tons would obviously do the job, but when you load them down with a boat, people, camping gear etc more comes into play than just tow rating. Tow vehicle weight helps with the safety of all that lb rolling down the road. For instance my truck (7klbs) with my current boat (4500dry) rolling down the road is nearly 14,000 lbs. If it was a half ton that total would be closer to 12,5 Still alot of rolling mass and intertia to control. Just my .02cents. I don't mind driving my diesel every day around town personally. I also have a short commute
Old     (cedarcreek216V)      Join Date: Aug 2011       10-14-2017, 8:51 PM Reply   
I would be able to fit a a new Ram 2500 in my budget so I agree that I would get a much better product than what the older Dodgeís brought to the table. I work from home so my commute is a non issue but we will more than likely take this vehicle on road trips as we canít fit the kids and dogs in my wifeís sedan.
Old     (FastR3DN3K)      Join Date: Jun 2013       10-15-2017, 10:37 AM Reply   
If you're interested, I'm considering selling my 2012 Ram 3500 MegaCab Dually (click my profile for a pic of it). I've owned it since day 1 and it doesn't even have 50k miles on it yet. It's also the last year of any diesel that doesn't have the DEF garbage too. And it'll be well under your $50k budget.
Old     (pilsner31)      Join Date: Sep 2009       10-15-2017, 6:11 PM Reply   
I have a 16 Ram Eco diesel and it tows my 07 Epic 23V with ease. It likes staying in 7th gear while towing which puts the revs around 2200-2300 going 100-110 km/hr. I don't tow it a lot, it stays at the lake, 2 hours away, pretty much all summer. We do one annual trip to another lake which is 2 hours from home in opposite direction. Pretty flat here too. Not sure what my rig weighs. Dry weight on boat is supposed to be 3500 lbs plus trailer and full tank of fuel plus gear, maybe 6000 lbs total? Think my truck is rated for 8200. By the sounds of your towing patterns, I think one would do just fine. If you care, the unloaded mileage kills any half ton by a mile. I've easily gotten 34 mpg (28 us mpg) going 120 km/hr. This is the first truck I've seen actually get the advertised mpg. I would hook up to your boat on a test drive to see for yourself. I never test drove the Nissan diesel but I've heard good things about them. Happy truck hunting!
Old     (cedarcreek216V)      Join Date: Aug 2011       10-15-2017, 7:06 PM Reply   
Thanks for the feedback, just the kind of info Iím looking for. My Dad has an eco diesel as well and he says the same thing about the gas mileage, which is a bonus regardless of how much you drive or donít drive.
Old     (Wdave)      Join Date: Aug 2017       11-01-2017, 7:20 PM Reply   
You can't go wrong with Ram Ecodiesel. These trucks are beasts with great mileage. Recently helped a buddy installing the headache rack and some led light bar on his Ram Ecodiesel and he confirmed he is getting 33mpg average.
Old     (Surfer101)      Join Date: Oct 2015       11-01-2017, 11:01 PM Reply   
Weíve got a chev 3500 gas and have been very pleased when towing 10k plus. Definitely doesnít have all the goodies but itís the most comfortable heavy duty truck and it gets the job done.

If I were to go half ton it would be the tundra all the way. Such a nice looking reliable truck. With your 210 it would be more than enough for towing.
Old     (CALIV210)      Join Date: Jun 2015       11-02-2017, 11:09 AM Reply   
I agree with this guy ^^^ . If I was set on a diesel truck it would be the Nissan . But if a gas rig wasn't off the table it would be a Tundra all the way .
Old     (BurnMac42)      Join Date: May 2015       11-02-2017, 1:40 PM Reply   
Have you looked at custom ordering from Ford? My buddy at work just took delivery of a F350 (SRW) 4x4 XL with the big cab (so the basic model) however he ordered it to come with the really nice dash (so all the nice electronics) that the $80k versions come with...he walked out paying $49k (not sure if that was OTD or + tax though)
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       11-02-2017, 1:49 PM Reply   
If you could deal with a gasser, my Tundra rocks. I'm around 7000 lbs on the hitch, does it very very well. and still rides nice around town. 380 hp yanks it around with ease.

Ram: less $ for a reason. wait till the dash starts rattling and you'll understand why they're cheaper. Not trying to knock anyone's rig, but after driving one for a few years, never again.
Old     (wakeslash)      Join Date: Sep 2017       11-02-2017, 2:17 PM Reply   
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If you could deal with a gasser, my Tundra rocks. I'm around 7000 lbs on the hitch, does it very very well. and still rides nice around town. 380 hp yanks it around with ease.

Ram: less $ for a reason. wait till the dash starts rattling and you'll understand why they're cheaper. Not trying to knock anyone's rig, but after driving one for a few years, never again.
Ram vs tundra lmao thats like a 18wheeler vs prius what are you comparing here diesel vs gas are you good?
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       11-02-2017, 2:50 PM Reply   
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Ram vs tundra lmao thats like a 18wheeler vs prius what are you comparing here diesel vs gas are you good?
Not sure what you're saying
Old     (wakeslash)      Join Date: Sep 2017       11-02-2017, 2:58 PM Reply   
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Not sure what you're saying
What im saying is you can pickup a 2500 ram cummins diesel for like 43k and a tundra is not a real towing vehicle its more of a transport some bark chips in the back once a year or tow a jetski around sometimes its not a tow specific truck even if it has a hitch on it.
Old     (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       11-02-2017, 4:42 PM Reply   
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What im saying is you can pickup a 2500 ram cummins diesel for like 43k and a tundra is not a real towing vehicle its more of a transport some bark chips in the back once a year or tow a jetski around sometimes its not a tow specific truck even if it has a hitch on it.
hahahaha! I seriously just laughed out loud. And I don't disagree with you one bit.
Old     (meathead65)      Join Date: Sep 2006       11-02-2017, 4:43 PM Reply   
^^^
"Sometimes it is better to be silent and thought to be a fool, than to jump on your keyboard and remove all doubt".

A Tundra is rated up to 10.5k, a bit more than a jet ski and some bark.
Old     (meathead65)      Join Date: Sep 2006       11-02-2017, 4:44 PM Reply   
That was for Alex, not J-Rod
Old     (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       11-02-2017, 4:52 PM Reply   
In all seriousness....I drove many half tons over the years and I did trade up to the Ram Diesel exactly a year ago. Yes the dash does rattle like Nacho says by the way.

The Diesel tows circles around the half tons. Loads of more power, stability, and efficiency, and more space. But I'll also tell you it gets old driving it around everyday. If you're the in-and-out of the truck all day driving around kind of person, it can get old fast. Parking lots, grocery stores, speed bumps that put you into the ceiling, and even bumpy dirt roads drive me crazy some days. Thankfully I have a little BMW to give me breaks.

The Diesel truck are badass. But the compromise is overall drivability.
Old     (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       11-02-2017, 4:53 PM Reply   
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That was for Alex, not J-Rod
All good bud.
Old     (nailem)      Join Date: Apr 2011       11-02-2017, 5:27 PM Reply   
I have a 2014 Ecodiesel with 70,000 trouble free miles. I have always been a Chevy guy and had a Duramax before the Ram. I did not need a 3/4 ton so I said the first one out with a 1/2 ton diesel I'm buying it. I was disappointed when it was Ram. I think the Chevy looks better on the outside.
I did test drive all 3 top 1/2 tons and the interior in my opinion in the Ram is by far the best. My truck rides like a dream. I did order the air suspension which I love. It self levels and I can lower the hitch under the trailer and raise it into the receiver. I get around 18mpg towing and average 23 mostly city 28 highway. Diesel is not much more than gas here so it's a win win.
Old     (wakeslash)      Join Date: Sep 2017       11-02-2017, 5:55 PM Reply   
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^^^
"Sometimes it is better to be silent and thought to be a fool, than to jump on your keyboard and remove all doubt".

A Tundra is rated up to 10.5k, a bit more than a jet ski and some bark.
Nobody cares what a gas truck is rated they can have it rated at 20k for all i care we have both and the comparison between a tundra and a diesel ram is night and day. You can be going 80 mph and towing a 6k boat behind it and it feels like your standing still and not moving its crazy how well that thing tows and the tundra feels like a airplane in turbulence you get thrown around like crazy its just not made to tow 24/7 its a soccer mom car lmao you just slap the rating and you think thats good what the heck man a tow rating means scat its how well it handles the weight behind it. There's difference in suspension/transmission etc c'mon man you have to know at least something lmao.
Old     (wakeslash)      Join Date: Sep 2017       11-02-2017, 6:01 PM Reply   
Meathead guarantee has a aluminum fishing boat that weighs 900 pounds with a singe axle trailer so that's why he got defensive about his Tonka truck HAHAHA.
Old     (Wdave)      Join Date: Aug 2017       11-02-2017, 6:10 PM Reply   
Good to hear how pleasing the air suspension on your truck.
Old     (wakeslash)      Join Date: Sep 2017       11-02-2017, 6:27 PM Reply   
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Good to hear how pleasing the air suspension on your truck.
"how pleasing air suspension on your truck" lol can you reword that im not following haha.
Old     (cedarcreek216V)      Join Date: Aug 2011       11-02-2017, 7:05 PM Reply   
I know most half tons will do the job just fine, crap, my Armada does it just fine, but I tow long distances a lot and it sure would be nice to maintain speed on highways and not have to run high RPMS. Just not sure a half ton gas truck will be any better than just getting another full size SUV. Which is why I only asked about the two half ton diesels. I do agree the Tundra is a great looking truck, and if I bought a 1/2 ton gas vehicle that would be it.
Old     (meathead65)      Join Date: Sep 2006       11-02-2017, 8:09 PM Reply   
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Meathead guarantee has a aluminum fishing boat that weighs 900 pounds with a singe axle trailer so that's why he got defensive about his Tonka truck HAHAHA.
Actually, Meathead owns a marine repair facility and just today towed a 9500 pound boat 80 miles, but it was a flat freeway tow so no stress. I've also been a commercial driver for over 30 years, and am licensed to drive pretty much anything with wheels. I spent numerous years pulling for a heavy haul fleet and have driven rigs that weighed over 235,000 pounds. I've probably driven a commercial rig more miles in reverse than you've driven forward.

Spew all the opinion you want. If you think you have to have a 3/4 ton diesel to pull a 7000 pound ski boat, be my guest. I simply offered my opinion that modern 1/2 ton trucks are more than capable choices for the average wakeboard owner. I've owned half a dozen diesel 3/4 and 1 ton rigs since 2000, and they all towed great. But I got tired of getting my kidneys beat out of me on rough roads, having a couple 6.0 liter F250's leave me standing on the side of the road, and my last one (09 6.4 PowerStroke) got ****ty mileage and service costs were prohibitive. So until I consistently need to pull loads over 10K, my Tundra serves my particular needs quite well and I will continue to recommend a Tundra to folks who ask. I'm due for new truck, and I am looking forward to checking out the newer mid range deisels like the Ram and the Nissan.
Old     (wakeslash)      Join Date: Sep 2017       11-02-2017, 8:15 PM Reply   
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Actually, Meathead owns a marine repair facility and just today towed a 9500 pound boat 80 miles, but it was a flat freeway tow so no stress. I've also been a commercial driver for over 30 years, and am licensed to drive pretty much anything with wheels. I spent numerous years pulling for a heavy haul fleet and have driven rigs that weighed over 235,000 pounds. I've probably driven a commercial rig more miles in reverse than you've driven forward.

Spew all the opinion you want. If you think you have to have a 3/4 ton diesel to pull a 7000 pound ski boat, be my guest. I simply offered my opinion that modern 1/2 ton trucks are more than capable choices for the average wakeboard owner. I've owned half a dozen diesel 3/4 and 1 ton rigs since 2000, and they all towed great. But I got tired of getting my kidneys beat out of me on rough roads, having a couple 6.0 liter F250's leave me standing on the side of the road, and my last one (09 6.4 PowerStroke) got ****ty mileage and service costs were prohibitive. So until I consistently need to pull loads over 10K, my Tundra serves my particular needs quite well and I will continue to recommend a Tundra to folks who ask. I'm due for new truck, and I am looking forward to checking out the newer mid range deisels like the Ram and the Nissan.
Hmm Ford breaking down on the side of the road nothing new to see here lol.
Congratulations on all your towing qualifications though haha.

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Old     (meathead65)      Join Date: Sep 2006       11-02-2017, 8:21 PM Reply   
I tell you one thing for sure, if Toyota could figure a way to buy that little Cummins and drop it a Tundra I'd pay cash for it tomorrow.
Old     (wakeslash)      Join Date: Sep 2017       11-02-2017, 8:27 PM Reply   
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I tell you one thing for sure, if Toyota could figure a way to buy that little Cummins and drop it a Tundra I'd pay cash for it tomorrow.
Whats up with tundra's i dont get it whats so cool about them ?
The new tundras are the ugliest truck to ever hit the road for real.
Old     (cedarcreek216V)      Join Date: Aug 2011       11-02-2017, 8:31 PM Reply   
I say the same think about the Armada or any full size SUV, some throw a diesel in one and make a lot of people happy.
Old     (wakeslash)      Join Date: Sep 2017       11-02-2017, 8:41 PM Reply   
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I say the same think about the Armada or any full size SUV, some throw a diesel in one and make a lot of people happy.
because most people use suvs to drive to the grocery store and back really is not much point to throw a diesel in it how many people tow boats with suv's not a lot and those that do will eventually fry the transmission or engine whatever gives first lol.
Old     (meathead65)      Join Date: Sep 2006       11-02-2017, 8:52 PM Reply   
Wakelash....you are a cliche wrapped up in a stereotype.
Old     (wakeslash)      Join Date: Sep 2017       11-02-2017, 8:53 PM Reply   
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Wakelash....you are a cliche wrapped up in a stereotype.
uh okay............ why not put diesels in boats why not put them in lawn mowers or leaf blowers lmao your a joke man be realistic.
Old     (AZAxis)      Join Date: Mar 2017       11-02-2017, 10:36 PM Reply   
I have a 2017 Tundra Limited and am very happy with it. I tow a boat about the same weight as yours, an A22, through 5,000 ft mountain passes in Arizona without difficulty. The engine turns at a little over 3k rpm in 3rd gear but that doesn't bother me. There is power to spare and the new 38 gallon tank gives it plenty of range. Would towing with a 3/4 ton diesel feel better? Sure, but the 25 days a month I'm driving the truck and not towing would outweigh the benefit; not too mention the reliability issues with the emission systems on the new diesels.
Old     (wakeslash)      Join Date: Sep 2017       11-02-2017, 10:58 PM Reply   
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I have a 2017 Tundra Limited and am very happy with it. I tow a boat about the same weight as yours, an A22, through 5,000 ft mountain passes in Arizona without difficulty. The engine turns at a little over 3k rpm in 3rd gear but that doesn't bother me. There is power to spare and the new 38 gallon tank gives it plenty of range. Would towing with a 3/4 ton diesel feel better? Sure, but the 25 days a month I'm driving the truck and not towing would outweigh the benefit; not too mention the reliability issues with the emission systems on the new diesels.
Reliabiltiy issues?? pretty sure a cummins engine lasts a while and emmision system problems on new diesels are you just making this up no clue where you got that from. Lol i know for a fact it sounds like a boeing 747 taking off in the cab on those 5000 ft passes been there done that ha.If your towing 5k on a tundra 5000 feet above sea level you got about 5 years tops left in that truck and transmission your pushing the snot out of that truck it ain't made to do anything close to that. I just feel bad for the imbecile that buys that car if you ever sell it after you abused the living crap out of it (for sale lightly used truck never towed anything used as a daily in the city ) HAHAHAHA.

Why is everyone whining like a crybaby about a diesel not being a good daily car lmao. Some people
( not me ) swear by having a lifted dually as a daily driver haha.
Old     (Surfer101)      Join Date: Oct 2015       11-02-2017, 11:23 PM Reply   
Might as well just get a semi, that new boat rated at 8k will be too heavy for the diesel.
Old     (AZAxis)      Join Date: Mar 2017       11-03-2017, 1:25 AM Reply   
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Reliabiltiy issues?? pretty sure a cummins engine lasts a while and emmision system problems on new diesels are you just making this up no clue where you got that from. Lol i know for a fact it sounds like a boeing 747 taking off in the cab on those 5000 ft passes been there done that ha.If your towing 5k on a tundra 5000 feet above sea level you got about 5 years tops left in that truck and transmission your pushing the snot out of that truck it ain't made to do anything close to that. I just feel bad for the imbecile that buys that car if you ever sell it after you abused the living crap out of it (for sale lightly used truck never towed anything used as a daily in the city ) HAHAHAHA.

Why is everyone whining like a crybaby about a diesel not being a good daily car lmao. Some people
( not me ) swear by having a lifted dually as a daily driver haha.
Obviously you are not paying attention. Why do 2007 diesels sell for the same price they were new with 100k miles? And you're right, a truck with 380hp and 400lbs torque with 4.30 gears can't tow 5k up a hill. And Toyotas fall apart at 100k. Got it.

Have fun with your repair bills.
Old     (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       11-03-2017, 5:21 AM Reply   
I've got a 6.2L Silverado 1500. Has gobs of power for towing, and it's an absolute rocket without a trailer. I completely agree that if you're just towing a SAN 210, a diesel is WAYYYY overkill. Maybe if you're towing a G23/24MXZ/25LSV/etc... then you can justify it.

Either way, I'm glad I didn't go with a diesel. Maintenance costs are way too high for me. I don't care if it's a Ford, Chevy or Ram, none of them are inherently reliable vehicles.

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Old     (cedarcreek216V)      Join Date: Aug 2011       11-03-2017, 5:40 AM Reply   
Man you guys have really got me thinking, which is good I guess. So not a whole lot of love for the 1/2 ton diesel options and seems little to no opinions on the XD? I was hoping that would be the perfect mix of half ton ride and size with a little better towing than gas but not quite that of a 3/4 ton diesel. I know the gas vehicles tow the boat, just looking for something that doesnít work as hard pulling at highway speeds.
Old     (jonblarc7)      Join Date: Jul 2006       11-03-2017, 6:06 AM Reply   
Another 6.2 sierra denali 1500 owner here. I pull a 24 foot supra with mine with no issues. I got 165k on the truck and if I was to get a new truck I would stick with a 6.2 gas over a diesel. My last truck was a duramax with built trans and about every thing done to it but bigger turbo and injectors. I like the 6.2 better because it's a 1/4 the price to sup up. And if do push the limits of the engine I can buy a junk yard 6.2 for about 2,500 verses 10,000 for a diesel. Without a trailer my 6.2 with headers and a custom tune would keep up with not beat, my old duramax that I spent thousands on to make fast.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       11-03-2017, 6:06 AM Reply   
FWIW I'm super cheap and could never pay for a new truck, whether half ton or 3/4 ton. But I did recently upgrade my 7.3 excursion to a used 2014 f150 ecoboost.

More power and better towing on the freeway. Quiet! And for the other 335 days of the year soooooooooo much more pleasant to drive. The excursion was like driving a garbage truck. I'm at altitude in hilly terrain, and a few tow vehicles ago we had an 06 QX56, the armada's glammed out brother. The F150 totally smokes the Armada.

(mpg does suck towing with your foot in it, but I knew that going in... I get in the 9-10 range towing at 70... but oh how well it tows at 70!)

I tow a T22. For a smaller, lighter SAN there really is no reason for a 3/4 ton. All of the modern half tons should be fine.

Re the Nissan, I'd recommend studying up. It's expensive, gets crappy mileage and is pretty weaksauce in the power dept. Reviews are not strong on that rig.
Old     (cedarcreek216V)      Join Date: Aug 2011       11-03-2017, 6:18 AM Reply   
Thatís what I saw on the XD as well, guess I was hoping to hear different real world experiences.
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       11-03-2017, 7:25 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by wakeslash View Post
What im saying is you can pickup a 2500 ram cummins diesel for like 43k and a tundra is not a real towing vehicle its more of a transport some bark chips in the back once a year or tow a jetski around sometimes its not a tow specific truck even if it has a hitch on it.

If cheap is the priority, definitely don't want a Tundra. doesn't sound like you can afford it
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       11-03-2017, 7:29 AM Reply   
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Obviously you are not paying attention. Why do 2007 diesels sell for the same price they were new with 100k miles? And you're right, a truck with 380hp and 400lbs torque with 4.30 gears can't tow 5k up a hill. And Toyotas fall apart at 100k. Got it.

Have fun with your repair bills.
pretty dense isn't he?
Old     (Surfer101)      Join Date: Oct 2015       11-03-2017, 7:39 AM Reply   
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Man you guys have really got me thinking, which is good I guess. So not a whole lot of love for the 1/2 ton diesel options and seems little to no opinions on the XD? I was hoping that would be the perfect mix of half ton ride and size with a little better towing than gas but not quite that of a 3/4 ton diesel. I know the gas vehicles tow the boat, just looking for something that doesnít work as hard pulling at highway speeds.


There was a post on the Malibu forum about the diesel Titan and it definitely wasnít the greatest, regarding gas mileage and power. Even the eco diesel doesnít have the greatest towing capabilities.
Old     (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       11-03-2017, 7:51 AM Reply   
One of the silliest argument threads ever. Any truck will tow these little boats. Some better than others. Get the one that makes sense for you. I hardly tow at all these days but I still drive a 3/4 ton Diesel because it's powerful efficient and has tons of space. Everything has pros /cons.
Old     (mlzelenik)      Join Date: Apr 2016       11-03-2017, 8:05 AM Reply   
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Reliabiltiy issues?? pretty sure a cummins engine lasts a while and emmision system problems on new diesels are you just making this up no clue where you got that from.
Whens the last time you looked into anything diesel? Must have been when the 7.3 and 5.9 were still rolling off lots new.

Lots of problems with emissions equipment nowadays. Its basically the price of admission now if you want to own a diesel
Old     (jarrod)      Join Date: May 2003       11-03-2017, 8:48 AM Reply   
Well maintained Cummins, and Diesels in general run 300K or more.

"Lots of problems with emissions equipment nowadays. Its basically the price of admission now if you want to own a diesel"

I haven't heard anything about this, and most of my friends run Diesels.
Old     (mlzelenik)      Join Date: Apr 2016       11-03-2017, 9:08 AM Reply   
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Well maintained Cummins, and Diesels in general run 300K or more.

"Lots of problems with emissions equipment nowadays. Its basically the price of admission now if you want to own a diesel"

I haven't heard anything about this, and most of my friends run Diesels.
I guess that came off wrong. I own a diesel as well(6.0 Powerstroke). They can all run 300K plus if well maintained no doubt.

As far as emissions gear, if you can delete your egr and dpf then you will have no problems, but at some point they will cause problems if you hold on to the truck. Hence why many people purchase pre-08 trucks because they have no dpf requirements. Most pre-03 have no egr reqs.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       11-03-2017, 9:33 AM Reply   
The whole "diesel can run 300k miles" thing is a red herring for folks who don't use the truck for work. For those of us who drive 15k miles a year, the rest of the truck is going to fall apart around the drivetrain, whether it's gas or diesel. Having a diesel engine doesn't keep your suspension from wearing or make your brakes go longer. Avg Joes who buy 10 year old diesels because "it'll run forever" are suckers. I know, I was one.
Old     (cedarcreek216V)      Join Date: Aug 2011       11-03-2017, 11:06 AM Reply   
Yea, my Dad has 350k on his 07 F-150.
Old     (wakeslash)      Join Date: Sep 2017       11-03-2017, 11:34 AM Reply   
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Obviously you are not paying attention. Why do 2007 diesels sell for the same price they were new with 100k miles? And you're right, a truck with 380hp and 400lbs torque with 4.30 gears can't tow 5k up a hill. And Toyotas fall apart at 100k. Got it.

Have fun with your repair bills.
Repair bills are you daft? diesels require wayyyy less service than gas haha nice try.
Old     (wakeslash)      Join Date: Sep 2017       11-03-2017, 11:41 AM Reply   
900 pound feet of torque vs 400 are you all right? Adam and Nacho are daft and clueless.lmaooooo
Old     (wakeslash)      Join Date: Sep 2017       11-03-2017, 11:46 AM Reply   
Damn i honestly thought there would be more people with diesels on a wake board forum but apparently 90 percent are putting around in there v6's and squawking about emissions and mileage lmaoo.
Old     (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       11-03-2017, 12:00 PM Reply   
My truck has a 450 ft. lb. of torque.

Diesels require less service? Tell that to ford 6.0 and 6.4 owners. Tell that Duramax owners that have had to replace injectors and harnesses. Tell that to ANYONE that has worn out a Turbo.

The engines themselves are often good. It's the accessories around them and the emissions systems that are crap.
Old     (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       11-03-2017, 12:00 PM Reply   
double post

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Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       11-03-2017, 12:01 PM Reply   
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900 pound feet of torque vs 400 are you all right? Adam and Nacho are daft and clueless.lmaooooo
bout damn time you got out of bed!! and looks like you don't even own a boat....

f'n kids these days

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Old     (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       11-03-2017, 12:05 PM Reply   
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900 pound feet of torque vs 400 are you all right? Adam and Nacho are daft and clueless.lmaooooo
what truck comes with 900 ft lb of torque from the factory? It's really just the latest and greatest. I'm sure that stock Diesel F-250s and 2500s don't have nearly that much power. Here is your average diesel truck:


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Old     (wakeslash)      Join Date: Sep 2017       11-03-2017, 12:15 PM Reply   
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what truck comes with 900 ft lb of torque from the factory? It's really just the latest and greatest. I'm sure that stock Diesel F-250s and 2500s don't have nearly that much power. Here is your average diesel truck:

lmao your clueless the 2017 ram 2500-3500's come with 6.7 liter 900 pound feet of torque hahaha.

https://cumminsengines.com/67l-turbo...ine-highlights

Why would you pull up a 2009 lmao what???

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Old     (wakeslash)      Join Date: Sep 2017       11-03-2017, 12:20 PM Reply   
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Might as well just get a semi, that new boat rated at 8k will be too heavy for the diesel.
All good man the ram 3500 has tow rating of 31k you can pull three of those boats no problem.
Old     (wakeslash)      Join Date: Sep 2017       11-03-2017, 12:25 PM Reply   
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My truck has a 450 ft. lb. of torque.

Diesels require less service? Tell that to ford 6.0 and 6.4 owners. Tell that Duramax owners that have had to replace injectors and harnesses. Tell that to ANYONE that has worn out a Turbo.

The engines themselves are often good. It's the accessories around them and the emissions systems that are crap.
Idk man what do you want if your talking about old trucks that have been used towing daily for 20 years your tundras and ecoboost fords wouldn't last half that.
Old     (wakeslash)      Join Date: Sep 2017       11-03-2017, 12:43 PM Reply   
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If cheap is the priority, definitely don't want a Tundra. doesn't sound like you can afford it
Afford it why would i pay money for the ugliest and weakest truck on the road are you joking me maybe if i got the tundra for free i would consider it but to pay money for useless garbage like a tundra sorry man find a someone else.
Old     (AZAxis)      Join Date: Mar 2017       11-03-2017, 1:15 PM Reply   
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pretty dense isn't he?
Dense isn't the first word I would use, but I can't argue with it. I don't understand how anybody towed anything anywhere before trucks had 900lbs of torque. (The new 6.7 Fords do, but that has nothing to do with a suitable tow vehicle for a 4,000 lb boat; especially driving in Texas.)

I should have bought a stripped down single cab 4x2 diesel for the same price as my loaded TRD Tundra so I could have access to tons of power I'll never need or have the traction to use so I could put lives at risk towing my boat at 80 mph. Guy probably has no clue about speed ratings on trailer tires.

I'm done feeding this troll.
Old     (wakeslash)      Join Date: Sep 2017       11-03-2017, 1:21 PM Reply   
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bout damn time you got out of bed!! and looks like you don't even own a boat....

f'n kids these days
Owned multiple boats over the years i dont feel the need to write an autobiography on every thing i own and do nobody on here cares what your credentials are except meathead since he wrote a 12 page report on how qualified he is haha. And btw a looks like you have a sanger and tundra a very uhm....... "interesting" combination indeed.
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       11-03-2017, 1:24 PM Reply   
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Owned multiple boats over the years i dont feel the need to write an autobiography on every thing i own and do nobody on here cares what your credentials are except meathead since he wrote a 12 page report on how qualified he is haha. And btw a looks like you have a sanger and tundra a very uhm....... "interesting" combination indeed.
So.... you don't own a boat. Yet endlessly spew garbage about everyone who has actual towing experience with their rigs.

That's what interesting here.

make me wonder, do you even own a truck???

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Old     (jonblarc7)      Join Date: Jul 2006       11-03-2017, 1:30 PM Reply   
Quit saying daft

In a perfect world diesels require less maintenance but the world is not perfect. When they go wrong it's bad.

Duramax injectors cost 2000 to 2500
6.2 gas injectors cost 500 for really nice one that can support 1000 hp

injection pump is cp3 2000 for the part not the install.

blown a head gasket your looking at 4000.

new trans lets say 4500.

I just had a buddy let his duramax sit for a week and he didn't know he had a injector leaking. So he came home from a business trip and fired up his duramax. That cylinder was full of diesel. He bent an rod instantly. That was a 10,000 bill on an 2006 truck.

All these are money problems I don't have to worry about with gas.

A diesel can break a rich man. I wouldn't buy one unless I had 10k or more to pull.
Old     (wakeslash)      Join Date: Sep 2017       11-03-2017, 1:54 PM Reply   
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Quit saying daft

In a perfect world diesels require less maintenance but the world is not perfect. When they go wrong it's bad.

Duramax injectors cost 2000 to 2500
6.2 gas injectors cost 500 for really nice one that can support 1000 hp

injection pump is cp3 2000 for the part not the install.

blown a head gasket your looking at 4000.

new trans lets say 4500.

I just had a buddy let his duramax sit for a week and he didn't know he had a injector leaking. So he came home from a business trip and fired up his duramax. That cylinder was full of diesel. He bent an rod instantly. That was a 10,000 bill on an 2006 truck.

All these are money problems I don't have to worry about with gas.

A diesel can break a rich man. I wouldn't buy one unless I had 10k or more to pull.
Yeah I'm not talking about duramax's there trash trucks and I'm also not talking about 20 year old trucks with problems I'm talking about newer/new diesels
Old     (wakeslash)      Join Date: Sep 2017       11-03-2017, 1:55 PM Reply   
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So.... you don't own a boat. Yet endlessly spew garbage about everyone who has actual towing experience with their rigs.

That's what interesting here.

make me wonder, do you even own a truck???
Own both. And my buddy got rid of his tundra for a new 2017 Chevy diesel night and day difference.
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       11-03-2017, 2:06 PM Reply   
Lol
Old     (wakeslash)      Join Date: Sep 2017       11-03-2017, 3:31 PM Reply   
BTW i probably offended everyone sorry about that ill take it back and show myself the door on this thread lol.
Old     (infinitysurf)      Join Date: Apr 2017       11-03-2017, 5:16 PM Reply   
Seriously, this thread gave me a headache reading all the troll posts from the teenage punk. Obviously the one person who knows nothing about trucks or boats and wants to make sure everyone knows it
Old     (nailem)      Join Date: Apr 2011       11-04-2017, 9:56 AM Reply   
My buddy has an XD. It's closed to a 3/4 ton than a half ton. It's a nice truck with plenty of power but the fuel mileage sucks. About what a 3/4 diesel gets around 20 highway and 16 city. To me it's not worth the money.
My Ecodiesel will tow through the mountains and maintain 7th gear with an occasional down shift to 6st. I came to a near stop in traffic pulling a long steep grade in WV. I was pulling a 24ft enclosed trailer, about 10,000lbs and still was able to get back to 65 and hold speed to the top.
Old     (cedarcreek216V)      Join Date: Aug 2011       11-04-2017, 12:04 PM Reply   
Yea, I thought since I lead off I was only interested in Diesel power plant the gas vs diesel argument would some how not find its way into the thread, but here we are. Need it or not, think Iím going 3/4 ton. We tow enough on the highways, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri and Oklahoma to justify it. My vehicle in town has plenty of power and does fine, as Iím sure all new 1/2 ton options do, just interested to see the true difference when we get in the open road at 70+ MPH.
Old     (meathead65)      Join Date: Sep 2006       11-04-2017, 3:30 PM Reply   
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Seriously, this thread gave me a headache reading all the troll posts from the teenage punk. Obviously the one person who knows nothing about trucks or boats and wants to make sure everyone knows it
He reminded me of my favorite Foghorn Leghorn quote....... "that there boy talks so much he's gonna get a sunburn on his tongue".

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