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Old     (Max16)      Join Date: Aug 2015       09-20-2017, 7:12 AM Reply   
Made some research but couldn't find what I'm looking for.
I'm currently riding a Soulcraft JS pro 4.8.
I'm 6' and 205

I want to change board and try something else.
What would you suggest?
The Secret Weapon and the Pocket Rocket were 2 suggestions I had.
I'm mostly a surf style rider who loves to slash and do some airs.
I did ride a Inland sweet spot ultra but I was not able to keep enough speed with it.

Thanks
Old    DAVE FIELD (sd_wakesports)      Join Date: Dec 2009       09-20-2017, 7:59 AM Reply   
Check out the Shortbus "Speedster" and Black Revolt "Sword And "Hatchet" customs at www.agendasurf.com

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Old    Nathan Gort (TNwakeboarder86)      Join Date: Sep 2016       09-20-2017, 9:11 AM Reply   
I would email Chaos, and talk to nick. He will take great care of you. I have the RInger since I am bigger. Its a true surf style. Everyone loves to ride my board and loves the quality. Plus Nick is top when it comes to customer satisfaction.

My other suggestion would be email and talk to Doomswell. I have one board from them that is more skim style. I like it, still a little small for me. Once again top customer service. I got to ride one of their older boards last weekend the Drone, I loved it.

I got some weight to loose then im upgrading to a team pro. I am using the team pro as a reward to push me to loose weight. All in all, just reach out to nick or brock at doomswell. They are great guys, if you follow chaos on instagram, you might end up buying several boards, he has so many amazing looking boards on there.
Old     (Max16)      Join Date: Aug 2015       09-20-2017, 10:32 AM Reply   
I already talked to Nick and Jeff at soulcraft.
I wanted some real life opinions since they will always talk for their products!
There are so many good boards out there and I want to have different opinions before throwing 900$ on a board
Old    Ian Spencer (Xbigpun66)      Join Date: Aug 2016       09-20-2017, 10:51 AM Reply   
The soulcraft voodoo is
F-ing awesome.
Old    Nathan Gort (TNwakeboarder86)      Join Date: Sep 2016       09-20-2017, 11:17 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by Max16 View Post
I already talked to Nick and Jeff at soulcraft.
I wanted some real life opinions since they will always talk for their products!
There are so many good boards out there and I want to have different opinions before throwing 900$ on a board
Max, I will see if I can figure out how to upload videos on here, I have some one a chaos board. I love it, It was well worth the funds. I have friends who use doomswell and then ride chaos and love it.

I think if you follow on instgram you will see a lot of peoples opinions on boards. I am sure everyone will tell you to try them before you get it. If you want true surf style board I would go with Nick for sure. I got the board and loved it and asked him questions to do and he hooked me up. Got me everything I needed by adding a nose guard, since small people love my board they go to fast they hit the back of the boat, then he pointed me in right directions for better fins. Love it. You will not go wrong with chaos. I know Brigade just shipped boards to a dealer in my area, but so far no one I know uses them. I have a guy who uses soul craft and loves it as well.

Everything I do I believe if they product is good and great customer service you got a winner! So that's why I have stuck with nick and chaos and doomswell. Anytime I text them or ask they are johnny on the spot with responses and tips.

Hopefully soon my chaos pro will be on instagram with a cool color design, got 14 lbs to go!!!
Old    Wakesurf Media (WakesurfMedia)      Join Date: Sep 2017       09-20-2017, 2:51 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by TNwakeboarder86 View Post
Max, I will see if I can figure out how to upload videos on here,
Upload it to YouTube and then paste the link into here. That won't embed the video but it definitely gets the job done!
Old    Wakesurf Media (WakesurfMedia)      Join Date: Sep 2017       09-20-2017, 2:59 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by Max16 View Post
I already talked to Nick and Jeff at soulcraft.
I wanted some real life opinions since they will always talk for their products!
There are so many good boards out there and I want to have different opinions before throwing 900$ on a board
Hey Max,

Do you have a dealer anywhere near you that offers demos? Also, what's your budget? Is there anything your current board is lacking that lead you to want to try something new? That info might help some folks point you in the right direction.
Old     (Max16)      Join Date: Aug 2015       09-20-2017, 3:08 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by WakesurfMedia View Post
Hey Max,

Do you have a dealer anywhere near you that offers demos? Also, what's your budget? Is there anything your current board is lacking that lead you to want to try something new? That info might help some folks point you in the right direction.
That's the problem. I'm in Canada so dealers around here only carry big brands like hyperlite and such...
My current board lacks air. I had more air with the IS sweet spot but couldn't recover since it was a bit short for my weight.
Old     (dakota4ce)      Join Date: Oct 2015       09-20-2017, 4:06 PM Reply   
Also--the Walker Project Bomb Pop is great as is Mike who makes them. The updated Jimmi8 model of yours is sick too.
Old     (Max16)      Join Date: Aug 2015       09-20-2017, 4:19 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by dakota4ce View Post
Also--the Walker Project Bomb Pop is great as is Mike who makes them. The updated Jimmi8 model of yours is sick too.
I have an updated version of the original js pro, mine has the square nose.
Old    Wakesurf Media (WakesurfMedia)      Join Date: Sep 2017       09-20-2017, 4:28 PM Reply   
Right now Doomswell has a 4'6" Neo (Surf style) blemish bamboo board for $549 on their website. It's a touch small for your weight being rated for up to 190lbs but you might be able to get away with it with the right wave setup. Their next size up which isn't available would be a 4'8" that's rated for up to 250lbs so maybe the 190lbs limit on the 4'6" is conservative? Also, LipSnap offers a Sonic and Essence in 4'8" which are rated for up to 220lbs. Both would be a pretty great option in my book, you'd just need to investigate that Doomswell since it's a little small. Also, the IS Sweetspot at 4'8" is rated for up to 250lbs so it may not have been a weight issue. It could be just a little less quick down the line compared to others (which some folks might like but just so happens to not work for you at this time).

So there are two alternatives to the brands you mentioned in the title of the post. Hope that helps!
Old     (Max16)      Join Date: Aug 2015       09-20-2017, 4:31 PM Reply   
The sweetspot was the ultra version in 4'6"
That makes me hesitate on a 4'6" neo... If it was a 4'8 I'd be more than happy
Old     (dakota4ce)      Join Date: Oct 2015       09-20-2017, 5:21 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by Max16 View Post
I have an updated version of the original js pro, mine has the square nose.


Jimmi8 is the updated model.
Old     (Max16)      Join Date: Aug 2015       09-20-2017, 5:26 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by dakota4ce View Post
Jimmi8 is the updated model.
Yes but Jeff called my board a JS pro... So I don't think it has all the jimmi8 features.
Old    Wakesurf Media (WakesurfMedia)      Join Date: Sep 2017       09-20-2017, 6:34 PM Reply   
We were wrong. Doomswell has a 4'10" blem bamboo Neo for $449. That would definitely float you but the larger board might be a little more difficult to air (although it can definitely be done). The 4'6" for $549 isn't a blem.
Old     (dakota4ce)      Join Date: Oct 2015       09-20-2017, 6:35 PM Reply   
Ok, well, I was under the impression that the JS Pro is gone, replaced by the Jimmi8. I am saying the Jimmi8 is kick ass. Rides great. Faster than JS Pro, it's predecessor.
Old     (dakota4ce)      Join Date: Oct 2015       09-20-2017, 6:36 PM Reply   
I am saying it's an upgrade to what you have. You're not going to find a better board than you already have in the Doomswell lineup IMHO. Walker, Soulcraft, Chaos. They are the top tier IMHO. But opinions are like bungholes, everyone has one.
Old    Andy Nintzel-NautiCurl Wake Shaper (andy_nintzel)      Join Date: Sep 2004       09-21-2017, 9:05 AM Reply   
I ride the Brigade 4' 10" Stealth hand down best board I have ever surf, can spin it with ease and snap big airs. The board is crazy fast!
Old    Greg Caldwell (Surfer2)      Join Date: Aug 2016       09-22-2017, 6:16 AM Reply   
I have a doomswell NubSTEP and soulcraft Honu. In my opinion the soulcraft is a superior product.
Old     (Max16)      Join Date: Aug 2015       09-22-2017, 7:12 AM Reply   
What do all think of lakewakes boards? I've read a little on the forum but seems like some threads have been deleted....
Old     (dakota4ce)      Join Date: Oct 2015       09-22-2017, 8:08 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by Max16 View Post
What do all think of lakewakes boards? I've read a little on the forum but seems like some threads have been deleted....


Good value. Fast boards! Their Hooligan shape is a lot of fun.
Old    D (infinitysurf)      Join Date: Apr 2017       10-10-2017, 4:36 PM Reply   
Seriously, you wont find anything better than Soulcraft, there are some other brands that are as good, but not better IMO. Everyone likes something different tho, so all about personal preference.
I have been riding a 4' 8" Doomswell Neo all summer. I am 4' 10" and 200lbs. Excellent board and I have been able to progress a LOT but its a little heavy to pull off big airs. About 2 months ago, I rode
2) "The Emily" Soulcrafts and really like them...last week I rode a Secret Weapon and Da Honu in 4' 8" and loved them. Immediately pulling bigger airs and was able to pump a couple times and
drive faster. I ordered a Jordi Pro in 4' 8" and pick it up tomorrow. Soulcraft is just well made, light and fast. Really glad I had my Neo but ready to move onto something that I can get even better on.
Some boards are made more for airs, some more for spins, some more for carving....just depends on what you want. That is why they ask you so many questions, to see what you are wanting to do the most.
The Jordie Pro actually has similar shape to my Neo, just a little slimmer and of course its lighter. Excited to pick up my new board tomorrow, going straight out on boat to go surfing after I pick it up!!
Old     (Max16)      Join Date: Aug 2015       10-11-2017, 5:30 AM Reply   
I just picked a Soulcraft Voodo for me and a SuperAV for the wife.
They should arrive to me tomorrow.....
Old     (dakota4ce)      Join Date: Oct 2015       10-11-2017, 7:36 AM Reply   
Oh man so exciting! I was mere MILLIMETERS from a VooDoo before getting the Jimmi8. You’re going to love it!
Old    Ian Spencer (Xbigpun66)      Join Date: Aug 2016       10-11-2017, 10:48 AM Reply   
Here are some pics of my voodoo 4'8"
Old    JV (jmvotto)      Join Date: Apr 2008       10-11-2017, 12:25 PM Reply   
Try a parker surfcraft
my PS 4.8
everybody raved about them as Southern Surf Fest 17

Old     (Max16)      Join Date: Aug 2015       10-11-2017, 12:29 PM Reply   
It will be harder and harder for those small wakesurf manufacturers to come up in the game. Their boards are not much cheaper (if they are!) than bigger brands with some history....
Old    JV (jmvotto)      Join Date: Apr 2008       10-11-2017, 1:53 PM Reply   
don't knock til you try it , the custom board shapers have forced the main stream composite board Co to start stepping up their games into lighter foam and better shapes etc , cuz they continue to get beat at demos all over the place

how do you think SC, chaos, doomswell and brigade got started
Old     (Max16)      Join Date: Aug 2015       10-11-2017, 1:55 PM Reply   
I know!!!
It's just real hard to try them without buying one!
Old    D (infinitysurf)      Join Date: Apr 2017       10-11-2017, 8:11 PM Reply   
Soulcraft does demo boards a lot...they have dealers all over and that is how I tried several models. Picked up and rode my new Jordie Pro today for about 4hrs on my buddies malibu boat...loved it!
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Old     (dakota4ce)      Join Date: Oct 2015       10-11-2017, 9:06 PM Reply   
Get some Blackstix F4s from Jeff—you will LOVE them vs the plain Jane white F4s!

SWEET BOARD!
Old    Nathan Gort (TNwakeboarder86)      Join Date: Sep 2016       10-12-2017, 6:28 AM Reply   
love the color, shocked you didn't get one to match the boat. What made you choose this one over the secret weapon. usually when I hear people talk soul craft they mention the secret weapon.
Old    D (infinitysurf)      Join Date: Apr 2017       10-12-2017, 7:16 AM Reply   
Board does match the blue on my boat, just a lighter blue.... this board became available now vs waiting till xmas. That is why I decided to go with this one vs Secret Weapon.
I have ridden 4 Soulcraft models now and liked them all a lot. Any of them will help me progress and get better as I push myself. I may get another one in spring, if I do it will
likely be the Secret Weapon since I did like it the best out of the 4. Still really happy with this Jordie tho
Old    Nick Wiersema (Chaos)      Join Date: Apr 2010       10-12-2017, 8:19 AM Reply   
It is true that wakeboard companies have responded to the market by producing 'better', in some cases complete copies of wakesurf/surf specific brands.
Basically every wakeboard company now has a 'surf division' . Of course, virtually all 'custom' manufactures produce copies of boards that those of us that have been in this game
for decades developed. They don't do the R&D, material development or anything real manufactures do. They watch youtube and just pick up the same materials peddled by
distributors. This sort of stuff is usually weeded out in the surf industry, but every person that does 1 DIY project seems to think they've created a brand. They build 1, maybe 5 boards and start peddling
them for $700-800. That is all fine and good, except for the consumer and the market as a whole. Consumers get these poorly built boards and think this is what a custom board is, then they go back to buying
pretty looking boards off the shelf from China.

The other difference in the surf industry versus wakesurf, is small brands, DIY'ers, and alike, usually take their shapes to a professional glass houses. The glassing shop, will often fix bad shapes, usually provides the art work
and in the end provides a professional glass job which in 90-99% of what people see. The glassing shop and their services have a huge part in building the new brand. I can teach a monkey to shape a piece of foam to resemble a surfboard,
but that does not mean it is shaped as intended or correctly. However, I cannot teach a monkey to properly glass a board, and know how to combine materials for the desired affect.
The flip side of that, is virtually anything is rideable, if you know how to ride. The fine differences or aspects that make a truly fine craft tuned to a specific rider or style are usually only noticeable to those advanced riders.
People gravitate to what they know, how they've learned to ride and what is comfortable for them. Some boards you have to relearn and rethink, and in some cases you will be better for it.

I said it 10 years ago, and I will say it again, the wakesurf industry is the poster child for the fake it till you make it movement. It is all about appearance and being bigger on social media than you really are.

Nick
Old    D (infinitysurf)      Join Date: Apr 2017       10-12-2017, 4:07 PM Reply   
(quote) I said it 10 years ago, and I will say it again, the wakesurf industry is the poster child for the fake it till you make it movement. It is all about appearance and being bigger on social media than you really are.

Yep, make everyone think you are bigger and better than you really are. Drive a Mercedes and live in a big home...makes people think you are "rich", yet when it comes down to it, they just have a lot of debt
and actually own nothing. The guy that lives in a trailer and drives a beat up car WITHOUT the loans, actually has more money. Went a little off topic here, I just find it funny when people see the guy driving the
Mercedes and wishes they were "that rich"....if only they knew all it takes is 4 months without income and "that guy" will be living on the street. Obviously this is not always the case, but my guess is that this holds
true for 75% of people.
Old     (dakota4ce)      Join Date: Oct 2015       10-12-2017, 6:46 PM Reply   
^^? You OK man? 🤣
Old    D (infinitysurf)      Join Date: Apr 2017       10-12-2017, 7:12 PM Reply   
Maybe I smoked the wrong cigarette and forgot the point of the thread. Happens to the best of us, lol
Old    Nathan Gort (TNwakeboarder86)      Join Date: Sep 2016       10-13-2017, 5:37 AM Reply   
I would agree with Nick on this one. I built 5 boards, well I guess 4, bc one , my first one, I did the fin boxes backwords, so we only use it to screw around on HA. DIY is fun to work on and to say you did it and to have pride in really something. HOWEVER, not one of my board comes close to the feel and the ride, and the look of my CHAOS, or my spare board for friends my doomswell. I like doing stuff to have as a stress relief from daily life. Especially winter it keeps my focused on spring for surfing. However not one of my designs would be probably ridden by people who are really good. My friends who surf but just to do little carves and ride long periods they like my boards. It also helped me appreciate when I look at boards, I can usually say o this was hand made or not and gives me more respect for the guys who do produce great boards.

After you shape one from hand from the beginning to end you will appreciate and understand why they are over 700$. It takes a lot of time and patient.

That's great you love the board man, keep up the work!! I am hoping this isn't our last good weekend to surf. Getting cool up here
Old     (Max16)      Join Date: Aug 2015       10-19-2017, 5:34 AM Reply   
So I went last weekend and rode the Voodoo.
It's a 4'6" compared to my previous 4'8" JS pro. It was recommended that way from Jeff since the tail and nose of the Voodoo are larger.

I'm riding both boards with Black Stix 2.0
The voodoo is less aggressive than the JS, has a lot of push (maybe more than the JS).
Love the fact that it's a 4'6, easier to manoeuver.
I'll need to get more practice on it since it's less aggressive I have some difficulty getting good speed.
The fact is it has more pop than the JS for sure.

In the end, I know I'll appreciate riding this board.
Old    Nathan Gort (TNwakeboarder86)      Join Date: Sep 2016       Yesterday, 6:27 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by Max16 View Post
So I went last weekend and rode the Voodoo.
It's a 4'6" compared to my previous 4'8" JS pro. It was recommended that way from Jeff since the tail and nose of the Voodoo are larger.

I'm riding both boards with Black Stix 2.0
The voodoo is less aggressive than the JS, has a lot of push (maybe more than the JS).
Love the fact that it's a 4'6, easier to manoeuver.
I'll need to get more practice on it since it's less aggressive I have some difficulty getting good speed.
The fact is it has more pop than the JS for sure.

In the end, I know I'll appreciate riding this board.
Pics!
Old     (Max16)      Join Date: Aug 2015       Yesterday, 7:05 AM Reply   
Pictures, nothing special about this board. I wanted it quick before the end of my season.
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Old     (dakota4ce)      Join Date: Oct 2015       Yesterday, 8:27 AM Reply   
You could have Just come along with us yesterday and done lots of research...

Lakewakes Hooligan, SC Honu, SC Jimmi8, Chaos Sixer. A gourmet buffet!
Old     (Max16)      Join Date: Aug 2015       Yesterday, 8:30 AM Reply   
Wow that are great choices!
I'll need to try the Voodoo with 4 fins.
Old     (dakota4ce)      Join Date: Oct 2015       Yesterday, 3:03 PM Reply   
I found that the quads don’t hurt speed and really add hold when landing a boost and riding out the landing down the wave face. I have come to prefer.

Do yourself a favor and order a quad fin setup from Chaos with the large or medium flare fins. They’re so much better than plain Futures white plastics.

REALLY wakes the board up.
Old     (dakota4ce)      Join Date: Oct 2015       Yesterday, 3:05 PM Reply   
I actually totally dig the plain jane white boards—just all business.
Old    D (infinitysurf)      Join Date: Apr 2017       Yesterday, 5:21 PM Reply   
I cant tell much difference on my SC when I add or remove the 2 back nubster fins, a little more agile without them. Last few times I have been out I have ridden back to back, with them and without
and besides tracking a little straighter, does not seem like much of a difference to me, think so far I prefer without. Course I have not upgraded mine yet, but will over the winter. Went out yesterday
afternoon and water was a little warmer than the air, it was nice. Hoping we have another month of riding here tho it has been 40 at night.
Old     (dakota4ce)      Join Date: Oct 2015       Yesterday, 8:34 PM Reply   
The nubster rears are hella useful when you’re landing airs and skidding back down the wave face with the tail. I also think your pumps are more “true” and thus more speed is the result. Easier to direct that energy up the wave face IMHO.

When cruising, there isn’t much difference. There really isn’t much negative about adding them.

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