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Old    Matt Zelenik (mlzelenik)      Join Date: Apr 2016       05-30-2017, 7:11 AM Reply   
Hey guys wanted to get your thoughts on a few problems/things I've noticed on our 2015 SE450.

1) Some pretty decent electrical issues. Very last day of last season something happened to where one battery would run the motor and nothing else, the other battery would run everything else but not the motor. No biggie, it was the end of the season so just had the electrical issue dealt with when I took it in to have it winterized under warranty. Fast forward to this past weekend. Having a lot of weird electrical issues. Ballast will fill and dump constantly. I'll fill to desired wakeboard weight, half way through the set look down and the ballast is almost full. Then I can't get it to dump. Also stereo is mostly inoperable from the drivers seat. Have to operate from head unit by seats.

2) This may just be my ignorance to the 450/prop combo/boat weight but I had the prop swapped and I'm kicking myself because I can't remember exactly which prop number it was but it was a big upgrade. Even with just a few people on board the boat won't plane out at full ballast, hell it won't get over 14-15 mph. before the swap the boat wouldn't get over 13 mph at 60% ballast. This past weekend I had 12 people on board for a late evening sesh. Too many people for a good set but we were in the party mindset. Boat wouldn't reach speed with the 12 people and 20% ballast in the rear an 40% in the front to help plane out. Had to dump all ballast to reach wakeboard speeds. Does this sound right for a 450 and large prop or is something wrong here. Like I said, can't tell if something is wrong or if I'm just ignorant and this sounds normal.

3) Gel coat cracks coming off the front chrome vents. Pics attached. No clue how or when these got there but I just noticed them the other day. I wash the whole thing down after every time out so I feel like they are very recent. The larger ones appear to have stemmed from in line with the bolt.

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Old    Anastazi Sarigiannis (Stazi)      Join Date: Sep 2011       05-30-2017, 7:17 AM Reply   
What prop is on there now?
Also those cracks you need to take up with the dealer ASAP.
Old    Matt Zelenik (mlzelenik)      Join Date: Apr 2016       05-30-2017, 7:30 AM Reply   
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What prop is on there now?
Also those cracks you need to take up with the dealer ASAP.
Pretty positive its the Acme 2079. Can't check because its 2 hours away at the lake
Old    Anastazi Sarigiannis (Stazi)      Join Date: Sep 2011       05-30-2017, 7:33 AM Reply   
That's a 12" pitch so it should be low enough to get you on plane. Weird.
Old    RB (boardman74)      Join Date: Jul 2012       05-30-2017, 8:17 AM Reply   
Your boat with 12 people and light ballast(20%) and a tractor prop should be able to get to wakeboard speed without a problem. Something is going on. Wrong prop, motor not producing power, etc.

If your under warranty let the dealer sort out the electrical. With these new fancy systems they are all controlled by a brain/computer box. Without proper software you trying to troubleshoot it is nearly impossible. Even if you don't have warranty dealer is really your only option. This is a by product of all the new fancy gadgets and touch screens. When they fail or have issues you really have no option but to take them to the dealer.

Gelcoat cracks are very common across the manufacturers. A lot of times they do originate from a screw hole if not properly chamfered. Usually they do not indicate a structural problem and are just cosmetic. But they are ugly and they do suck. Part of the problem is that fiberglass by its nature flexes and gel coat is more rigid and does not flex nearly as much.
Old    Rick Tinker (rickt)      Join Date: May 2002       05-30-2017, 8:27 AM Reply   
Mizelenik,

Our sales manager for the southeast is located in your hometown and should be able to offer some good guidance on getting you rolling. Reach out to Jon @jallen@skierschoice.com or private email me back at rtinker@skierschoice.com and I will have him reach out to you. Sorry for these issues,

Rick
Old    Matt Zelenik (mlzelenik)      Join Date: Apr 2016       05-30-2017, 8:32 AM Reply   
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Mizelenik,

Our sales manager for the southeast is located in your hometown and should be able to offer some good guidance on getting you rolling. Reach out to Jon @jallen@skierschoice.com or private email me back at rtinker@skierschoice.com and I will have him reach out to you. Sorry for these issues,

Rick
Hey Rick,

Thanks I will reach out to Jon. The only real concern I have is whether I'm losing power somewhere within the motor. Cracks happen and the electrical isn't too bad.

thanks for reaching out!
Old    D.F.T.R. Josh (downfortheride)      Join Date: Jun 2005       05-30-2017, 8:37 AM Reply   
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Rick Tinker (rickt) Join Date: May 2002 Today, 9:27 AM Reply Quick Reply
Mizelenik,

Our sales manager for the southeast is located in your hometown and should be able to offer some good guidance on getting you rolling. Reach out to Jon @jallen@skierschoice.com or private email me back at rtinker@skierschoice.com and I will have him reach out to you. Sorry for these issues,

Rick
Skiers choice for the win.
Old    Anastazi Sarigiannis (Stazi)      Join Date: Sep 2011       05-30-2017, 8:38 AM Reply   
Wonder if the electrical issue is causing the engine to go into limp mode and not produce full power?
Old    Matt Zelenik (mlzelenik)      Join Date: Apr 2016       05-30-2017, 8:55 AM Reply   
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Wonder if the electrical issue is causing the engine to go into limp mode and not produce full power?
Could be. I took Rick's instructions and have emailed him and Jon. I wouldn't call it full limp mode. Seems more like 70% mode lol. What's weird to me is with heavy weight the RPM's don't peg trying to reach speed/plane, they kind of just hover around 3800-4200
Old    Anastazi Sarigiannis (Stazi)      Join Date: Sep 2011       05-30-2017, 9:10 AM Reply   
Yep, sounds like limp mode
Old    Chattwake (chattwake)      Join Date: Jan 2010       05-31-2017, 4:17 AM Reply   
What octane gas are you running? Anything below 91 and the engine can start pulling timing.
Old    Anastazi Sarigiannis (Stazi)      Join Date: Sep 2011       05-31-2017, 4:55 AM Reply   
Problem is that his engine revs are being cut, at which point it is cutting power too. Using premium is highly recommended, but I feel something else is causing his problems and not just fuel octane.
Old    Matt Zelenik (mlzelenik)      Join Date: Apr 2016       05-31-2017, 6:45 AM Reply   
It has never had anything other than premium and usually every third tank is pure premium no ethanol
Old    Shane Morris (smorris7)      Join Date: Nov 2013       06-14-2017, 7:50 AM Reply   
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Problem is that his engine revs are being cut, at which point it is cutting power too. Using premium is highly recommended, but I feel something else is causing his problems and not just fuel octane.


Was this resolved? Sounds like high pressure fuel pump going bad.
Old    Anastazi Sarigiannis (Stazi)      Join Date: Sep 2011       06-14-2017, 8:01 AM Reply   
I don't think he has come back to report on his findings.
Old    Matt Zelenik (mlzelenik)      Join Date: Apr 2016       06-14-2017, 9:18 AM Reply   
Boats currently getting a software reflash and checked out. Was an extra week before I could get it in. I'll report back with any news I find out.
Old    DTB (DatTexasBoy)      Join Date: Aug 2012       06-14-2017, 11:08 AM Reply   
Sounds like your in good hands now that Rick has pointed you in the right direction.
Old    Matt Zelenik (mlzelenik)      Join Date: Apr 2016       06-14-2017, 11:53 AM Reply   
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Sounds like your in good hands now that Rick has pointed you in the right direction.
For sure. Just got an email from Jon(my local SC rep). He popped in and did the reflash and loaded the new vision dash software himself.

As for the power/planing issue, he made tweaks to the system, along with the swell system and wakeplate. He said this should help a good bit with performance. He also recommended moving from the 2079 to an OJ 945 or Acme 2775 in the future because they fit better with the Ford torque curve. I will do this once the 2079 has served its duties... or maybe sooner if I feel like it lol.

Big shout out to Skiers Choice, Rick and Jon for the help!
Old    Nacho (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       06-14-2017, 11:54 AM Reply   
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Was this resolved? Sounds like high pressure fuel pump going bad.
same symptoms mine had. both fuel pumps replaced with low hours (350) on both

I'm NOT saying the pumps are bad, just identical symptoms
Old    Matt Zelenik (mlzelenik)      Join Date: Apr 2016       06-14-2017, 11:58 AM Reply   
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same symptoms mine had. both fuel pumps replaced with low hours (350) on both

I'm NOT saying the pumps are bad, just identical symptoms
I'll keep this in mind if the problem persists. I'd hate to think the pumps went out with 100 hours though
Old    Anastazi Sarigiannis (Stazi)      Join Date: Sep 2011       06-14-2017, 12:32 PM Reply   
Get the 945. I got it on my Craz and it is a towing beast!
Old    DTB (DatTexasBoy)      Join Date: Aug 2012       06-14-2017, 6:19 PM Reply   
Yes I run the 945 on my SE perfect fit

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