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Old    Mikeski (mikeski)      Join Date: Aug 2003       09-29-2016, 11:43 PM Reply   
After reading quite a bit about the ramps. gates, and suction cup water deflectors i decided to make my own.

Materials:
1 12" x 24" x 1/2" seaboard $19 on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

1 suction cup glass holder $15 on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

2 1/4-20 x 4" stainless carriage bolts $4 at OSH
2 1/4-20 stainless nylok nuts $0.50 at OSH
4 #10 x 1.5" stainless screws at OSH $1.50

1. Cut the seaboard as shown using a jigsaw with a coarse metal blade (cuts like butter)
2. Drill and screw it together
3. Stick it to the boat as low and far back as possible
4. Load up the boat evenly with plenty of weight
5. Go enjoy an awesome wakesurf wake

Wake pix are before and after my Nautique SV211 with full ballast, no passengers, a 500# bag in the center, another 500# in the walkthrough.
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Old    Wotan (wotan)      Join Date: Jul 2008       09-30-2016, 1:50 PM Reply   
Awesome template! It would be sweet if you did a version we could print out to use as a template..... Anyone capable of this?
Old    Nick Wiersema (Chaos)      Join Date: Apr 2010       09-30-2016, 4:55 PM Reply   
Clean build. Just don't try to start selling them like the dozens of other profiteers, unless you really want a nastigram from malibu's legal staff and potentially a full complaint. bahahahaha.
Old    G $krilla (burbanized)      Join Date: Mar 2004       09-30-2016, 5:44 PM Reply   
Nice very good job. Thanks for the breakdown and assembly instructions
Old    Kathy Holmes (homeyfromwyomey)      Join Date: Sep 2016       11-10-2016, 4:42 PM Reply   
I put your photo in photoshop and skewed it so it would fit a 12X24 and I think it looks right, what do you think?? it got scaled a little bit posting it, but just blow it up to 12" wide and it will be the correct proportions as far as I can tell....
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Last edited by homeyfromwyomey; 11-10-2016 at 4:43 PM. Reason: fix pic
Old    Matt (That_Guy)      Join Date: Aug 2015       11-10-2016, 7:40 PM Reply   
This thread interests me. I'm picking up a 04 tige Saturday that I'd like to make something like this for it. Does it work on both sides? Does it float? Can you take it off and on in the water or does it not stay after it's wet?
Old     (WheelerWake)      Join Date: Mar 2013       11-11-2016, 5:26 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by That_Guy View Post
This thread interests me. I'm picking up a 04 tige Saturday that I'd like to make something like this for it. Does it work on both sides? Does it float? Can you take it off and on in the water or does it not stay after it's wet?
Yes, these work on both sides. Some of them do float. Mine does, but it's made of wood and the suction cups are plastic. I always install it in the water.
Old    Rob (DealsGapCobra)      Join Date: May 2010       11-11-2016, 10:54 AM Reply   
I have a question for guys who are using these. Is the wave better if the boat is evenly loaded or listed in addition to using the shaper? I know evenly loaded means you can switch sides easily but I have a DD and a minimal wave to I am looking for maximum push and have not had a chance to experiment much.
Old    Ryan (rlwagens)      Join Date: Feb 2008       11-11-2016, 11:25 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by DealsGapCobra View Post
I have a question for guys who are using these. Is the wave better if the boat is evenly loaded or listed in addition to using the shaper? I know evenly loaded means you can switch sides easily but I have a DD and a minimal wave to I am looking for maximum push and have not had a chance to experiment much.
I've gotten a lot of different results boat to boat. My 210 we will list a little bit when low weight, when its slammed with people on top of the 2k pound ballast, we keep it pretty even. I find that my suction cup plate can still be pretty finicky, but that can be said for the old 210 wake in any setting. The skateboard ramp with velcro was still hands down the best surf wake I've ever gotten, regardless of weight, but I cannot go back to velcro on the side of the boat again.
Old     (WheelerWake)      Join Date: Mar 2013       11-12-2016, 1:39 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by DealsGapCobra View Post
I have a question for guys who are using these. Is the wave better if the boat is evenly loaded or listed in addition to using the shaper? I know evenly loaded means you can switch sides easily but I have a DD and a minimal wave to I am looking for maximum push and have not had a chance to experiment much.
Mine works well goofy, but for regular it needs a little listing, usually one addition person on that side of the boat.

One big (pun intended) advantage of these suck-gates is that you can get a bigger wake, because listing is just leaving water out of some of your ballast. With the gate, you can fill them all, the boat makes a larger hole in the water and a bigger wake is created.
Old    Eric (DenverRider)      Join Date: Feb 2013       11-12-2016, 2:38 PM Reply   
Do these mark up the side of your boat at all?
Old     (WheelerWake)      Join Date: Mar 2013       11-12-2016, 4:48 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by DenverRider View Post
Do these mark up the side of your boat at all?
I have not noticed anything.
Old    Ron T (Laker1234)      Join Date: Mar 2010       11-20-2016, 3:36 PM Reply   
What's the difference between seaboard and HDPE? https://www.amazon.com/Polyethylene-...plastic+sheets
Old    Nacho (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       12-05-2016, 4:07 PM Reply   
one is called seaboard and costs 2x as much as the other
Old    Andy Nintzel (andy_nintzel)      Join Date: Sep 2004       12-06-2016, 9:06 AM Reply   
After making a few of these over the summer I finally broke down and bought one after I borrow and broke a buddies Mission Delta, I went with the NautiCurl wake Shaper. www.nauticurl.com, it was only $195.00 and looks so clean I jumped on it. I attached a pic of one version I made versus the clean NautiCurl one. I love building things but I finally decided that I didn't want to strap a suck gate or a Frankin-Gate on my boat. I mean we have a nice boat, great surf boards, then I whip out this modified handle on demand, with some shelf brackets and cut-to-shape cutting board and attached it to help shape the wake. Just didn't make sense. They shipped fast and for $195, I felt it was totally worth the price.

Check them out at www.NautiCurl.com

Here's the Pics.
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Old    Scott (chilidog)      Join Date: Dec 2007       12-27-2016, 10:53 AM Reply   
Andy,

Does the Nauticurl let you turn to the port side if it's deployed to the starboard side, or vice versa? My friend made one off the swim step and this was the downside, he couldn't turn against it when idling to u turn to get the rider.

Wondering your experiences with that and the mission delta for maneuverability at idle. We ride the delta so it's skinny and that kind of stuff matters.

Thanks
Old    Andy Nintzel (andy_nintzel)      Join Date: Sep 2004       12-28-2016, 1:34 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by chilidog View Post
Andy,

Does the Nauticurl let you turn to the port side if it's deployed to the starboard side, or vice versa? My friend made one off the swim step and this was the downside, he couldn't turn against it when idling to u turn to get the rider.

Wondering your experiences with that and the mission delta for maneuverability at idle. We ride the delta so it's skinny and that kind of stuff matters.

Thanks
Scott, in my experience there is little to know noticeable drag created from having the NautiCurl attached and turning around in idle. Man, I bet that is crazy frustrating having to only turn around one way. I wonder if that happens with Malibu's Surf Gate?

The Mission Delta was the same as far as turning around goes. The only issue I had with the Delta was that it broke twice, the first time I forgot it was on a took off to head home, well it popped of and I broke the lanyard, the second time the plate it's self broke, I have no Idea how that happened but it did shut us down for the weekend as far as surfing was concerned.

Overall I am very pleased with the NautiCurl, great buy if you ask me for the price, it has a larger plate/gate than the delta and that really helps clean up my surf wake for that the Delta did.

I ordered mine directly from their site, at www.NautiCurl.com, showed up in 2 days.
Old    Barmac (scott)      Join Date: Feb 2010       12-29-2016, 6:09 PM Reply   
Thanks Guys, I had no idea there was an issue with make turns while it is on, good to know. I just checked out a video of on and it looks pretty awesome, and it looks like its the cheapest on the market right now. Not that, that really matters. Since santa didn't read my list, i will have to order one.
Old    Andy Nintzel (andy_nintzel)      Join Date: Sep 2004       12-30-2016, 9:39 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by scott View Post
Thanks Guys, I had no idea there was an issue with make turns while it is on, good to know. I just checked out a video of on and it looks pretty awesome, and it looks like its the cheapest on the market right now. Not that, that really matters. Since santa didn't read my list, i will have to order one.
Scott, I sent them some video of my 2000 X-Star last fall, here is a video they sent me last night of the change it made on my Goofy foot wake. The boat was totally unsurfable due to the rotation of my prop before I got the NautiCurl. Even when we would make the boat list like crazy it was not that good to surf the goofy wake, now is crazy big and super fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SwSjsCW-us
Old    Jo Shmoe (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       01-10-2017, 2:06 PM Reply   
Andy, the Nauticurl looks about 60 dgrs, Mikeskis looks 55 dgrs and the one you made looks like 90 dgrs from the boat, Does it matter what the degrees are? And how much does the fact that the one you made does not go all the way to the back of the boat matter?
Old    Andy Nintzel (andy_nintzel)      Join Date: Sep 2004       01-11-2017, 9:32 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by joeshmoe View Post
Andy, the Nauticurl looks about 60 dgrs, Mikeskis looks 55 dgrs and the one you made looks like 90 dgrs from the boat, Does it matter what the degrees are? And how much does the fact that the one you made does not go all the way to the back of the boat matter?
Not being an engineer I am not 100% positive what works best. I can tell you that the one I made would pop off occasionally due to the fact the plate was at 90 degrees but I modeled it after the Mission Delta that my buddy had (he sold it and bought a NautiCurl after I got mine). The one that I made helped but was not overly amazing. The fact that you could not put it all the way to the back was an issue with it I think and that the plate was before the suction cups made it fall off. I experienced the same thing with the Mission Delta when I tried it on my boat (2000 Mastercraft X-Star), it didn't seem to matter if the delta was all the way back or forward facing it worked but wasn't amazing and I didnt think it was worth the money. I also tried the Swell product with similar results to the Delta and my homemade version, the main difference was that the Delta and the Swell did not fall off. The Swell product was basically a Handle on Demand with a fancy plat on it.

The whole goal is change point at which the water converges behind the boat. When I finally decided to jump and buy one, I went with the NautiCurl, based on Price point and overall look of the Wake Shaper. It has out preformed everything else I have tried. The main difference is that it made the pocket longer, and I had more push than any other one that I have tried out. Not that this matters to performance but it was the only shaper I used that actually created a Curl on the Wake so the name is doing what it says it will do. I attribute the Curl to the fact that it is displacing more water and creating a bigger faster pocket. The plate is also larger than the plate on the delta.

It really made me stop being jealous of the wake that some of my friends new Malibu's and Mastercraft are making. Here is a video they made of my boat with and without the NautiCurl on the Goofy Foot side. On my boat the goofy wake was basically not surfable due to the hull shape and the rotation of the screw. Even heavily listed it was not surfable. Evenly weighted boat with the NautiCurl Wake Shaper on and my wake was crazy, I had a ton of fun surfing it on my heelside.

Just my Two Cents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SwSjsCW-us
Old    Ben (Rugger)      Join Date: May 2016       01-22-2017, 9:18 PM Reply   
This is true. You can't turn well with the surf gate style gates unless you automate it, or at least power them with actuators. I've had powered versions, the automated on my last boat, and now a manual gate again until I build the new automated ones. Here are your basic surf device options: http://www.wakegarage.com/forums/top...s-by-category/

I'll update some pics with powered/automated system too but there's not comparison to having it close for control and safety.
Old    Andy Nintzel (andy_nintzel)      Join Date: Sep 2004       02-02-2017, 3:23 PM Reply   
I've never had any issues turning around with the NautiCurl Shaper I have been using.
Old    Russ Schultz (ronix686)      Join Date: Feb 2017       02-10-2017, 2:01 PM Reply   
Dumb Question and I apologize if it has been previously answered:

Has anyone tried to add a "suc-gate" to a boat with an existing surf system with any amount of success? I have a 2016 Moomba Mojo with autoflow 2.0 and am always looking for ways to get the best surf wave.
Old    Ben R (brichter14)      Join Date: Jul 2010       02-10-2017, 10:04 PM Reply   
Will the nauticurl or any suck gate work with an old school SAN? The back angles in towards the platform so would sticking it to the side thats flat(perpendicular to the back of the boat) still work?

Old     (WheelerWake)      Join Date: Mar 2013       02-11-2017, 6:50 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by brichter14 View Post
Will the nauticurl or any suck gate work with an old school SAN? The back angles in towards the platform so would sticking it to the side thats flat(perpendicular to the back of the boat) still work?

This is an application where a DIY gate might be best, custom made for this hull.
Old    Eric Anderson (e_rock32)      Join Date: Oct 2009       02-11-2017, 2:28 PM Reply   
I have an 94 ski nautique that angles the same. I've got mine to work. Evenly balanced (or slight list) for goofy riders with mostly back weight. For regular, need to list quite a bit more, but still works better than without one at all.
Old    Ryan (rlwagens)      Join Date: Feb 2008       02-11-2017, 6:22 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by brichter14 View Post
Will the nauticurl or any suck gate work with an old school SAN? The back angles in towards the platform so would sticking it to the side thats flat(perpendicular to the back of the boat) still work?
On my 06 I have a DIY suckgate with a 90 degree angle and I place it on that back angle all the way to the rear of that angle portion about 2" under the water.
Old    Ben R (brichter14)      Join Date: Jul 2010       02-12-2017, 6:30 AM Reply   
Would you say having it as far back as possible is the most ideal?
Old    Ryan (rlwagens)      Join Date: Feb 2008       02-12-2017, 1:50 PM Reply   
I would say so. Look up the big suck gate thread on planetnautique and someone posted their design for SANTEs with measurements, and I made an exact replica. The top edge of the face of the suckgate is what is about 1-2" under the water.

If you are going for best possible performance and don't care about appearance, the skateboard ramp on amazon and velcro was the biggest wave and most push I have ever gotten, but the suckgate is so much cleaner looking and no velcro. Still a long enough pocket and push for 360s and pop shuvs but the edge is not as abrupt as I'd like. Suckgate we ride at 9.5-9.8 depending on the board we use, the ramp or ronix solution gives you more wiggle room for speed I notice too.
Old     (WheelerWake)      Join Date: Mar 2013       02-12-2017, 2:44 PM Reply   
In keeping with the low-cost spirit of the suck gate, I added this which improved the surf wake even more:

http://www.themalibucrew.com/index.p...comment-936360
Old    James (echo)      Join Date: Apr 2013       02-12-2017, 5:04 PM Reply   
Thanks, MikeSki...built your Wake Shaper and had good results on my 99 Sport Nautique. It really lengthened the pocket of the wave and allowed me to ride further back.
Old    Ben R (brichter14)      Join Date: Jul 2010       02-18-2017, 7:17 PM Reply   
Here is mine. I was going to buy the Nauticurl but because of the advice above I decided to make my own. I made it a 90* angle so it fits the back angle of my OG SAN. It is the aluminum handle but I painted it red to match the boat.









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