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Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       09-21-2018, 9:56 AM Reply   
^^^ Wes: what are you talking about, nice try at the re direct, but “no one is drinking your Cult-Aid” go back and try again. P. S what size Vagina hat do you wear?
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       09-21-2018, 9:59 AM Reply   
Guess you missed the sarcasm. And the point.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       09-21-2018, 10:15 AM Reply   
Yes Wes you SO smart & Witty & your sense of humor is to advanced for us Knuckle Draggers to pick up on. We all can see how you were Joking,



“Said no one Ever”

Go back to the internet and find another one of your Loony Lib False Flag narratives from one of your echo chamber media outlets or chat rooms
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       09-21-2018, 10:31 AM Reply   
Only smart and witty compared to some. Sure glad you're here!
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       09-21-2018, 10:40 AM Reply   
Wes: what are you doing Arguing with me here? Shouldn’t you be scanning the News? I’m sure Trump has done something bomb tastic in the last 15 minutes that you need to report on.
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       09-21-2018, 11:18 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by DeltaHoosier View Post
Actually it has been reported that the committee offered to fly to California and let her testify to them in a more comfortable location and we still are not getting that. Everyone needs to face it, she is either that devious in which she deserves everything she gets or Feinstein used the poor woman which makes the democrats even more detestable than even I would imagine.

Franken actually had pictures of him grabbing the ladies boobs while she was sleeping. I know he was "joking", however that does not play well.

Thomas was a similar thing. They put on the whole show and he still got in but they got to keep the smear campain alive.
these pics? https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1314...ct-allegations

I'm not defending franken here, but is this the same as an attempted sexual assault? I personally don't see physical contact here, and there's a bulletproof vest between hands and breasts.

As for thomas... let's just say that wouldn't go down the same way in 2018 no matter how you slice it.
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       09-21-2018, 11:29 AM Reply   
I'm not defending franken here, but is this the same as an attempted sexual assault?

Hell no its not. It was stupid for him to do it, but it was clearly a joke.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       09-21-2018, 11:56 AM Reply   
"Franken actually had pictures of him grabbing the ladies boobs while she was sleeping. I know he was "joking", however that does not play well."

We all saw the pictures and her boobs aren't very attractive. She must have had surgery to make them look like a flack jacket.

"Just got tired of you guys trying to bully people so I came back to keep you in your place. "

Do you feel like you've accomplished a lot?
Old     (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       09-21-2018, 12:36 PM Reply   
IIRC, Franken was one of the first victims of the Megyn Kelly crusade against everyone with dong. never saw the pic until today, it's tasteless but obviously a joke.
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       09-21-2018, 12:46 PM Reply   
and then there is that Weinstein accuser Argento. What a joke.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       09-21-2018, 1:37 PM Reply   
Kav and Nassar, agree are worlds apart, the point is that the victims did not talk about Nassar either and there were 100s of them. Same with Weinstein, Same with moonves...Same with the physician at USC..... after the first comes out the others appear to find it easier. I guess Trump was a psych major too. He tweeted that if it really happened, she or her parents would have reported it. What a wonderful source, How many have said he sexually assaulted them? 12? 13? 17? This tweet may be the fall of Kav.
Franken as Delta mentioned got railroaded by timing (me-too) and faux rage repubs. The dude took a picture with several witnesses of a faux boob grab over the top of a flack jacket. Other than bad taste it had nothing to do with sexual assault or anything sexual. But Repubs were so taken aback by his joke, he had to go. And Tweedens ties to Fox as a personality there are slightly more telling than Dr. Fords $100 in donations over the last several years. Can we see some pics of Tweedens tears as her abuse was substantial... probably spent decades in therapy.
The spineless repubs are planning on hiring an atty to question Dr. Ford. The classless chickens do not want to be seen ripping on a victim...so they hire outside attys to do it. Guess they saw recent video of Hill re Thomas. Hiding their vile acts from their constituents.
So Grassely has one of his "non-biased" attys investigate Fords story. Minutes later, the unbiased Mike Davis Tweeted "Unfazed and Determined" @Confirm Kavanaugh!
You wonder why she wants an independent FBI investigation? Idiots, complete transparent idiots.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ts/1366391002/
Old     (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       09-21-2018, 1:42 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by 95sn View Post
Kav and Nassar, agree are worlds apart, the point is that the victims did not talk about Nassar either and there were 100s of them. Same with Weinstein, Same with moonves...Same with the physician at USC..... after the first comes out the others appear to find it easier. I guess Trump was a psych major too. He tweeted that if it really happened, she or her parents would have reported it. What a wonderful source, How many have said he sexually assaulted them? 12? 13? 17? This tweet may be the fall of Kav.
Franken as Delta mentioned got railroaded by timing (me-too) and faux rage repubs. The dude took a picture with several witnesses of a faux boob grab over the top of a flack jacket. Other than bad taste it had nothing to do with sexual assault or anything sexual. But Repubs were so taken aback by his joke, he had to go. And Tweedens ties to Fox as a personality there are slightly more telling than Dr. Fords $100 in donations over the last several years. Can we see some pics of Tweedens tears as her abuse was substantial... probably spent decades in therapy.
The spineless repubs are planning on hiring an atty to question Dr. Ford. The classless chickens do not want to be seen ripping on a victim...so they hire outside attys to do it. Guess they saw recent video of Hill re Thomas. Hiding their vile acts from their constituents.
So Grassely has one of his "non-biased" attys investigate Fords story. Minutes later, the unbiased Mike Davis Tweeted "Unfazed and Determined" @Confirm Kavanaugh!
You wonder why she wants an independent FBI investigation? Idiots, complete transparent idiots.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ts/1366391002/
I agree that Franken was a victim of timing, but it was Kirsten Gillibrand who called for his head.

he was undone by dems, not republicans.

https://www.vox.com/2018/5/21/173522...ten-gillibrand
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       09-21-2018, 2:58 PM Reply   
Damn! ok, i'll walk that back as I was not accurate. It was the dems and Gillibrand in particular who pushed Franken to quit w/o ethics investigations. As I recall this was going on when Trump was campaigning for Roy Moore. Bumping Franken gave less wiggle room for conservatives comparing moore and franken. Dems wanted to show how they were not like repubs supporting seriously flawed candidates. Thanks.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       09-21-2018, 3:33 PM Reply   
For those interested in the Texas race the first Cruz/Beto debate is starting in about 15 min

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/...-senate-debate
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       09-21-2018, 6:49 PM Reply   
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It's not. Not even close to the same issue as Kavanaugh. Keep reaching though.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       09-21-2018, 6:50 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by psudy View Post
and then there is that Weinstein accuser Argento. What a joke.
GOP Logic: That happened years ago, so it cannot be true.
Old     (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       09-21-2018, 6:52 PM Reply   
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Nope. Read your bull**** almost every day. I just wanted to let you have your circle jerk. Just got tired of you guys trying to bully people so I came back to keep you in your place.
So you came back as a giant douchebag?
Old     (deuce)      Join Date: Mar 2002       09-21-2018, 8:54 PM Reply   
Just my roll in, these comments of the “liberals” bullying “conservatives “ on this forum is amusing at best.

I have to admit I’m biased, but if questioning and asking to back up with facts/reasonable thought is bullying, well....that’s rich.

I appreciate you being back, DH. Though I question some of your thoughts, that okay, at least you put them out there. I can respect making an argument on your stance. At least you’re not talking farts, usernames or posting memes. You are a messiah to the right wing on this thread, besides those I’ve mentioned earlier. Or anyone else that wants to bring free thought.

I’d ask that you not just hate a liberal, just as a roll, but that up to you. I had a great afternoon with 6 guys that disagreed politically at every level. We had our beers/drinks & cigars and just knew it was off base. Even floated there for like 10” and off. Good Cats, different politics and good as gold. In this environment, just enjoy the company & “crazy” everyone was happy and hugs/handshakes.
Old     (deuce)      Join Date: Mar 2002       09-21-2018, 9:03 PM Reply   
Last......as far as you say voting again better interest, I “think” there may be a few players here, when you talk taxes

I am not talking $50 a check.....I threw that number out...no idea what that number was, think lower.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       09-22-2018, 4:54 PM Reply   
Hmm wonder why more women don’t speak up.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/09/21/us/...m.facebook.com
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       09-23-2018, 4:55 PM Reply   
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Hmm wonder why more women don’t speak up.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/09/21/us/...m.facebook.com
Liberals in sheep’s clothing: both the judge and the prosecutor need to be taken to the woodshed after mandatory castration for the convict. The laws need to be adjusted to fit our new “progressive” society too. Bunch of sick bastards.
Old     (markj)      Join Date: Apr 2005       09-23-2018, 8:02 PM Reply   
So now after the first Kavanaugh accuser gets little traction, they try to float a second and then a third accuser. Each with slim to no memory of things, but that doesn’t stop the scam. At this point, they need to go straight to a vote. F this noise.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       09-23-2018, 8:34 PM Reply   
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...town-prep.html

Sounds like a lovely place. Bet Kav is really wishing Judge never signed his yearbook lol.
Old     (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       Yesterday, 5:28 AM Reply   
The Dems will never run out of people willling to smear this guy.
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       Yesterday, 7:46 AM Reply   
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GOP Logic: That happened years ago, so it cannot be true.
That wasn't the point at all. The point was she was accusing him when she raped a 17 year old and paid him off.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       Yesterday, 12:21 PM Reply   
Is "raping" a 17 year old boy, and "raping" a 17 year old girl equivalent?
I wondered why the white house and GOP refuse to let FBI investigate, those reasons seem to be coming out now.
Why would GOP senators refuse to allow witnesses to testify (Kavs pal Mark Judge for one) ? Seems they are willing to try anything to push trumps get out of jail free card to a lifetime appointment complete with asterisk.
Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       Yesterday, 12:26 PM Reply   
Kinda kills her credibility don't ya think?
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       Yesterday, 12:51 PM Reply   
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Kinda kills her credibility don't ya think?
Just the qualification she needs to be on the SC if only she was a Republican.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       Yesterday, 12:52 PM Reply   
Avenatti prepping info re: 3rd Kav accuser

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...evils-triangle
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Old     (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       Yesterday, 1:13 PM Reply   
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Just the qualification she needs to be on the SC if only she was a Republican.
Thats right. For Dems its guilty until proven innocent no matter the harm to someone.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       Yesterday, 1:28 PM Reply   
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Thats right. For Dems its guilty until proven innocent no matter the harm to someone.
Or maybe the standard for being on the USSC is totally different than the standard for "innocent until proven guilty" for criminal prosecution. I certainly don't see that Republicans have any grasp of that concept. For criminal prosecution a mistake towards guilty puts someone in jail, ruins their life, and costs the taxpayer. For SC confirmation a mistake towards innocent puts the entire nation potentially at harm.

The loss of a job opportunity hardly amounts to anything that people don't experience all the time. But it's totally understandable that Trump supporters don't have very high standards about who's running the show or making important decisions.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       Yesterday, 1:36 PM Reply   
Welp the idiot in the WH just implemented another Xmas tax. But that's ok because US manufacturers can just move their manufacturing to other countries without tariffs and avoid taxes on imports of parts and materials.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       Yesterday, 2:56 PM Reply   
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Thats right. For Dems its guilty until proven innocent no matter the harm to someone.
Im unsure. Is your concern Kav wont be able to move on with his life if not confirmed? Or harm to GOP Senators for...? Trump for nominating a flawed candidate? Dr. Ford?


Kills her credibility re Weinstein? probably somewhat. Weinstein has several dozen more accusers so that case appears safe. Just my gut response but...17 year old boys dream of being raped by an Argentno, 17 year old girls not so much. Not that everyone thinks/dreams the same, Im sure the reverse happens too.
Old     (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       Yesterday, 3:32 PM Reply   
"17 year old boys dream of being raped by an Argentno, 17 year old girls not so much."

Yeah, my first thought was maybe that kid is a bit gay. I know that when I was 17 there wasn't a chance in the world that a hot older chick could ever "rape" me. Not that I'm saying any hot older chicks wanted to do that... LOL I'm a firm believer in that particular double standard.
Old     (95sn)      Join Date: Sep 2005       Yesterday, 3:56 PM Reply   
Are the Kavanaugh optics soo bad Trump has to try to fire Rosenstein to change the media story?
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       Yesterday, 6:02 PM Reply   
Class acts.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/24/b...ok-renate.html
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Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       Yesterday, 6:04 PM Reply   
More deets on 3rd accuser, former US Mint employee, to come forward within 48 hours after securing her safety:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...rs/1416699002/

Following a Monday hearing over Daniels’ lawsuit against Trump and his former lawyer Michael Cohen over a hush-money deal, Avenatti told reporters he has been hired by a former employee of both the State Department and the U.S. Mint who has information of a sexual nature about Kavanaugh and his high school friend Mark Judge.

“It will relate to how they behaved at countless house parties,’’ Avenatti said.

Avenatti also told reporters the woman, whom he did not name, has multiple security clearances and will “literally risk her life’’ by coming forward. He called her “100 percent credible,’’ saying she has multiple witnesses to corroborate her story and would be willing to take a polygraph if Kavanaugh does as well.
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       Yesterday, 6:25 PM Reply   
Btw “Renate” - the subject of the group’s yearbook posts - was one of the 65 women who were herded by the gop press aides (one of which himself had to resign over sexual harassment - can’t make this stuff up lol) into signing a letter of support for Kav. Sounds like she’s changed her mind.

So that leaves at least 64 women who he managed to act decent around. Go Kav!
Old     (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       Yesterday, 11:45 PM Reply   
Filed under "what goes around comes around" - here is the memo Kavanaugh wrote when he was part of Ken Starr's team describing the graphic questions he urged Clinton be asked on the record ensuring Monica Lewinsky (a young subordinate yet a consenting adult) would be publicly humiliated:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/...d=a_inl_manual

Kavanaugh not only thought Clinton needed to be questioned about his relations with Lewinsky; he also wanted Clinton to be interrogated in the most detailed and specific way possible. He drew up a memo with a series of 10 sexually explicit questions about Clinton’s relationship with Lewinsky. He claimed he wanted to establish Clinton had no defense for his “pattern of behavior.” As a result, “[the] idea of going easy on him at the questioning is thus abhorrent to me,” Kavanaugh wrote in the summer of 1998.

To say that the questions Kavanaugh came up with for Clinton were prurient doesn’t do justice to the gross invasiveness and detail he sought. These queries are of the sort that are even now uncomfortable to write out and list in a family newspaper, or discuss in mixed company. Sexual proclivities? “If Monica Lewinsky says you inserted a cigar into her vagina while you were in the Oval Office area, would she be lying?” and “If Monica Lewinsky says that you masturbated into a trashcan in your secretary’s office, would she [be] lying?”

The allegations made by Christine Blasey Ford and now Kavanaugh’s Yale classmate Ramirez do not, like Lewinsky and Clinton, involve two consenting adults. They are, instead, accusations of serious, nonconsensual sexual misconduct. They raise questions much more legitimate than the questions Kavanaugh would have had Clinton answer. They indicate, to use Kavanaugh’s own words, a possible “pattern of behavior.”

Republican pols have long operated under a wildly generous the “do as I say, not as I do” standard, even as they castigate Democratic rivals for the tiniest infraction. When it comes to living up to the standards they would impose on others, Republicans escaped that accountability for so long that they appear blindsided when called to explain their actions. That Kavanaugh was pursuing Clinton and Lewinsky to a point of humiliation, while there was potentially much worse behavior in his own past, simply adds to gross hypocrisy on display.

But 20 years later, it turns out there was a purpose and need for those questions for Clinton — just not one Kavanaugh or anyone else could have imagined at the time. Thanks to their existence, we can say with certainty that Kavanaugh is not just the nice, aw-shucks guy he would have us think.

The questions Kavanaugh wanted to ask of Clinton — long before anyone went public with allegations against him — are clear proof there is a side to Kavanaugh that many of his defenders, both male and female, do not want to acknowledge. Now that he faces not one, but two accusations of misconduct, he deserves every question that comes his way, no matter how invasive.

What goes around comes around.

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