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View Poll Results: Wake or Wave
SurfWake 24 66.67%
SurfWave 12 33.33%
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Old    Charlie Zulu (Pad1Tai)      Join Date: Jan 2013       08-11-2014, 5:57 PM Reply   
What's your opinion?

Is it time to start calling these monster Surf Wakes....>>........ Waves...........?
Old    Surf Addict (Desi) (phathom)      Join Date: Jun 2013       08-12-2014, 10:11 AM Reply   
Oh boy, this is going to turn into another push vs lift terminology discussion, I can feel it.

I still feel that it should go by this definition though,

Wave = Made by a natural source, wind, currents, etc. Commonly found in the ocean

Wake = Made by a boat as it passes by and disturbs the water

Imagine if everyone refers to them as waves instead, I can totally see dumb people arguing with the river patrol, "I can totally surf here, this isn't a wake, it's a surf wave" lol

By the actual definitions, it seems like it could go either way though.

Wake="the track of waves left by a ship or other object moving through the water"
Wave="a disturbance on the surface of a liquid body, as the sea or a lake, in the form of a moving ridge or swell."

FYI, I voted Wake, because it's artificial.
Old    Dax Jolly (volzalum)      Join Date: May 2009       08-12-2014, 10:13 AM Reply   
Wake
Old    Ryan (petrie141)      Join Date: Jun 2012       08-12-2014, 10:21 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by phathom View Post
Wave = Made by a natural source, wind, currents, etc. Commonly found in the ocean

Wake = Made by a boat as it passes by and disturbs the water
Bingo.

It's a wake, so why not refer to it as one? If you say wave then you should call it wavesurfing and waveboarding and waveskating. It's all the same thing just done at different speeds.
Old    Robert Garcia (ragboy)      Join Date: Aug 2007       08-12-2014, 10:48 AM Reply   
I usually say wake, but I don't think it matters much.
Old    Surf Addict (Desi) (phathom)      Join Date: Jun 2013       08-12-2014, 11:17 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by petrie141 View Post
Bingo.

It's a wake, so why not refer to it as one? If you say wave then you should call it wavesurfing and waveboarding and waveskating. It's all the same thing just done at different speeds.
Speaking of which, I just had a friend yesterday ask me, "So, did you go out watersurfing last weekend?"

Basically a mash up of waterskiing (as opposed to snowskiing) and surfing (as opposed to snow surfing ). She was dead serious too, but to be fair she's never really been a boat or watersports person and was just making conversation.

But yes, the name kind of dictates what it is. It was named that for a reason.
Old    Russ Constable (Midnightv10)      Join Date: Feb 2012       08-12-2014, 2:38 PM Reply   
as long as she didn't ask you if you went "waterboarding"
Old    Charlie Zulu (Pad1Tai)      Join Date: Jan 2013       08-12-2014, 3:00 PM Reply   
From Tige site:
The Tigé Convex VX is the only device ever created for surf wave ENHANCEMENT.

From the Nautique site:
The NSS uses our WAVEPLATE technology to manipulate the wave form without the need to move people and ballast from side to side

From the Malibu site:
Using Malibu's proprietary water diversion technology, a watersports boat can produce a surf wave, and almost instantaneously change the surf wave from one side of the boat to the other

From the Mastercraft Site:
Each Gen 2 Surf System is a wake shaping device beneath the transom that sculpts the wave

From the Supra Site:
Surf Clean Custom Shaped Wave With Supra Swell
Old    Tony (retoxtony)      Join Date: Apr 2012       08-12-2014, 9:53 PM Reply   
I chose SurfWAKE because its being formed by the boat, but it seems like the term Wave gets used the majority of the time were out wakesurfing. I think its mostly because its the closest thing to a real surfwave us prairie boys have.
Old    J (Jmorlan)      Join Date: May 2013       08-12-2014, 10:24 PM Reply   
I usually say, I don't care. Please hand me a beer.
Old    Dax Jolly (volzalum)      Join Date: May 2009       08-13-2014, 7:55 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pad1Tai View Post
From Tige site:
The Tigé Convex VX is the only device ever created for surf wave ENHANCEMENT.

From the Nautique site:
The NSS uses our WAVEPLATE technology to manipulate the wave form without the need to move people and ballast from side to side

From the Malibu site:
Using Malibu's proprietary water diversion technology, a watersports boat can produce a surf wave, and almost instantaneously change the surf wave from one side of the boat to the other

From the Mastercraft Site:
Each Gen 2 Surf System is a wake shaping device beneath the transom that sculpts the wave

From the Supra Site:
Surf Clean Custom Shaped Wave With Supra Swell
You Tige guys ... The Centurion CATS system is a wake enhancing device ...
Old    Justin Harrelson (skiboarder)      Join Date: Oct 2006       08-13-2014, 8:06 AM Reply   
Eh. People know what you are talking about either way.
Old     (cheesesteak)      Join Date: Aug 2013       08-16-2014, 9:58 AM Reply   
Technically - the wake is the turbulence caused by the boat moving through the water. The waves are created by that wake turbulence. So - both boat waves and oven waves are called "waves" - they are just caused by different phenomena.

Your boat's wake causes the wave to form. That's why "no wake" zones are called what they are.

Didn't you all learn this when you studied hydrodynamics in grad school? Lord Kelvin and the Kelvin Wake Pattern?

As an aside - did you know that all wakes leave any given boat at the same (19.5*) angle? Good stuff.
Old    Charlie Zulu (Pad1Tai)      Join Date: Jan 2013       08-16-2014, 6:39 PM Reply   
^^ Very Interesting Hypothesis ^^

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/...tern-for-ships

BTW..The angle is 19.47*... lol

Last edited by Pad1Tai; 08-16-2014 at 6:45 PM.
Old    Nick Wiersema (Chaos)      Join Date: Apr 2010       08-17-2014, 12:10 PM Reply   
Like cheesesteak said, technically they are all waves, some waves are also wakes. I generally use the term wake to distinguish between surfing waves and provide more information than just wave. Wakesurfing is not surfing, it shares very little in common with surfing beyond marketing. Wake surfing is wakesurfing until a better more suitable term is derived.
Nick
Old    Trayson Harmon (trayson)      Join Date: May 2013       08-18-2014, 3:57 PM Reply   
I use both terms.

I wonder if this 19.5 degree angle has anything to do with Malibu's choice of angle for their surfgate???
Old    Nacho (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       08-19-2014, 11:35 AM Reply   
without getting all technical, I think of a wake having two parts, one on each side of the boat.

A single wave IMO, is what pushes you forward while surfing. I call it a wave on my boat.
Old    Corson Piper (piper907)      Join Date: Dec 2011       08-23-2014, 11:12 AM Reply   
boatsurfing
Old    Arun Frances (poon)      Join Date: Dec 2001       08-25-2014, 11:56 AM Reply   
Call it a Wake... I've seen bigger waves in the toliet
Old    Charlie Zulu (Pad1Tai)      Join Date: Jan 2013       08-25-2014, 1:54 PM Reply   

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