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Old    Jack Henry (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       07-11-2014, 7:16 AM Reply   
Thought I would share my ghetto gate with you guys, daughter can't ride ropeless but I can all day long:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhePTvk5PAQ








Old    Charlie Zulu (Pad1Tai)      Join Date: Jan 2013       07-11-2014, 7:21 AM Reply   
Nice job Jack... Are you running even weight?.. Also can the gate be flipped over to the goofy side
Old    Jack Henry (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       07-11-2014, 7:46 AM Reply   
No gate can't be flipped. I fill my 750 non surf side maybe a 1/3 way up. Then I fill my 1100 surf side which never gets full but prob close to 900? 500 center floor, 550 in the bow. Then 200-300 pounds on surf side seats depending on whos with me
Old    Nacho (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       07-11-2014, 10:04 AM Reply   
looks pretty good. Is it fully deployed in the pics? doesn't look like it sticks out much
Old    Jack Henry (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       07-11-2014, 11:10 AM Reply   
It really doesn't stick out much, just enough to delay the convergence of the wave. If I had to guess I would say it sticks out 20 degrees? Give or take a few, maybe 30 degrees? I eyeballed it. I discovered when I made my first gate almost anything back there will do it, really no special measuring involved.
Old    Ryan Stover (onetogofast)      Join Date: Jun 2012       07-13-2014, 9:15 PM Reply   
Simple and works great!!!
Old    J (Jmorlan)      Join Date: May 2013       07-14-2014, 4:17 PM Reply   
Do you have anymore pictures of the unit itself? Where did you pick up the material at?
Old    J (Jmorlan)      Join Date: May 2013       07-15-2014, 9:44 PM Reply   
Also, would you mind sharing the dimensions of the flap?
I'd like to make one for each side of my boat this weekend, considering I'm the only one who rides goofy..go figure
Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       07-16-2014, 7:02 PM Reply   
Looks pretty good to me! Is that Cherry Creek that you are at?
Old    Tom N (SangerTom)      Join Date: Aug 2010       07-19-2014, 12:10 AM Reply   
Jack - how did you mount it. I see the connection at the rear eyelet but where else. Would like to try making one myself
Old    Jack Henry (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       07-20-2014, 7:27 AM Reply   
J, I will take some more pics with better detail of how I made it, hopefully I will get to it today. I ordered some 3/4" HDPE off amazon, got (2) - 12"x24" sheets, I wish I would have gotten one more then I could have used a better idea that came to me. I was going to use some really cool smoked color Lexan glass till I realized how expensive that stuff is.

Timmy, that is Chatfield at 7am on July 4th, bout the only time the water is good out there.

Tom, I thought using the threaded turnbuckle would be enough but it is not. I connect the turnbuckle to the transom as shown & use the black strap connected to the center bar above the swim deck.
Old    Tom N (SangerTom)      Join Date: Aug 2010       07-20-2014, 8:18 AM Reply   
Cant wait to see the more detailed pics. I'm getting some material this week and going to build one next weekend. I'm assuming that the "sandwich" slides over the swimdeck and there is a HDPE stop to hold it into place.

Are the large holes just to relieve water pressure from as it travels between the layers?
Old    Jack Henry (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       07-20-2014, 8:37 AM Reply   
Tom, yes I used left over HDPE blocks to make a stop. I positioned where I wanted the gate, put some blocks in then screwed them down when I got the angle I wanted. I figured the large holes would get rid of pressure, not sure if really needed or not but they don't seem to have an adverse affect on the wave so I will leave them. About the only thing different I would do if I built another is not taper off the gate from the bottom. I made mine 12" at the hull then tapers to 10" at rear. I would only taper the top an inch next time if I did it over & leave the bottom alone.

Gate is 18" long which was the length of every gate I measured on the 21' boats. The 24' MXZ was 22" long.
Old    Tom N (SangerTom)      Join Date: Aug 2010       07-21-2014, 10:25 PM Reply   
Jack - I ordered the HDPE. Very excited to get started. I will follow your suggestion on taper the top only. How did you figure out what angle or where to put the stop block? I won't have the opportunity to try mulitple locations unless I pre-drill another set of holes. Also, what length screws did you use?

Thanks.
Old    J (Jmorlan)      Join Date: May 2013       07-21-2014, 10:33 PM Reply   
In my proto1 wallygate-
I noticed angle is not much of a concern as noted by the OP.
Also, in my wooden proto1 wallygate, I noticed that a 2x4 was the perfect thickness for my swim deck.
I used a 2x4 piece as a brace against the gate itself, and to screw the top and bottom swim deck mounting boards.
I also went the same route with turnbuckle and ratchet strap.

Oh, and it worked like a charm! I am going to go to a proto2, and make it a hair taller/deeper (whichever term you prefer) as I could see when I was surfing it was only diverting about 3/4 of the wave, and was getting some spray onto the locker hatch.
But when weighted with a tad of the ballast filled on the side of the gate, it solved that problem sinking the gate a bit more.

But all and all, for a 30min project, proto1 was a great success!
Old    Tom N (SangerTom)      Join Date: Aug 2010       07-21-2014, 11:29 PM Reply   
J - looking at his pics and based on your comments, I should maybe come up to the tie down hook...perhaps another 1/2" in height. BTW - the ratchet strap to the "ski hook" behind the grab bar or to the tie down hook on the port side?
Old    J (Jmorlan)      Join Date: May 2013       07-21-2014, 11:34 PM Reply   
I would Tom. Mine came to just below the hook. On my proto2 I'll make it even, or just a hair above the top of the hook.
Ratchet to the other tie down hook.
Other than the height adjustment, I won't be making any other adjustments.
Maybe fiddle with a little less angle, maybe reduce the drag on the boat a bit.
Researching others with a v215 and a gate, they say that just straight even with the boat will do.
The trick to the angle is, the more it's angled, the more it diverts the wave, the longer the pocket.
Old    Tom N (SangerTom)      Join Date: Aug 2010       07-22-2014, 1:02 AM Reply   
Perfect, thats the exact problem is that the sweat spot is too close up. Thanks...will keep you posted
Old    Jack Henry (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       07-22-2014, 6:17 AM Reply   
Nothing special to the angle, I just looked at a bunch of deployed surf gate pics and eyeballed it. My thought was far enough out to delay the way, not too far or will be hard to drive.
Old    Drew Richardson (surffresh)      Join Date: Jun 2010       07-22-2014, 7:08 AM Reply   
I didn't read the whole thread but it looks just like what I saw on Facebook yesterday, wickedwakesurf.com
Old    Jack Henry (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       07-22-2014, 7:14 AM Reply   
Wickedsurfwake just took the same ghetto gate ideas & are trying to apply them to every hull. They charge $225-$250 per side while mine cost $70 and an hour of my time. They have it down for Axis boats & are guessing on others, that's not to say they get it wrong but without having different hulls, swim platforms, etc they are shooting in the dark.

Tom, I believe I just used #8 or #10 1-1/2" or 2" (I don't remember) stainless. Home Depot has them
Old    Tom N (SangerTom)      Join Date: Aug 2010       07-24-2014, 11:07 PM Reply   
Great - material arrived today. WIll build it this weekend.
Old    Ryan Stover (onetogofast)      Join Date: Jun 2012       07-28-2014, 8:34 PM Reply   
They quoted me $700 for both sides on an F21.
Old    Tom N (SangerTom)      Join Date: Aug 2010       07-29-2014, 12:33 AM Reply   
I'm almost done - pics coming later this week. So far material costs $110 for the HDPE through Amazon. $30.00 in parts from hardware store. My son and I will probably have 3 hours into it for build time.
Old    Justin Harrelson (skiboarder)      Join Date: Oct 2006       07-29-2014, 8:19 AM Reply   
The point of the surfgate is to improve handling and reduce the list of the boat. If it doesn't retract as slow speeds, it seems like it would handle very poorly while navigating your own rollers and getting back to the rider.
Old    Surf Addict (Desi) (phathom)      Join Date: Jun 2013       07-29-2014, 12:36 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by skiboarder View Post
The point of the surfgate is to improve handling and reduce the list of the boat. If it doesn't retract as slow speeds, it seems like it would handle very poorly while navigating your own rollers and getting back to the rider.
The manual systems such as those that have been retrofitted do not affect handling negatively at anything up to surf speed. You definitely want to put them back in before heading up to cruising speed, but there is no ill effects present when going to pick back up a rider.
Being evenly weighted is a greater advantage in handling than having a gate out by far.

Also if you are a good surf driver you know that you use your rollers in your favor to help you flip around and never have to deal with your own because they have already passed you by the time you have made a 180 and start heading back. There is little to no "navigating" of rollers, as you ease off throttle, start your turn to the opposite side you're surfing as you get to zero throttle the first wave in the set pushes you the rest of the way around. You wait for a few of them to dissipate before throttling back to the rider, most of the time you can start immediately, but you may have to wait a few seconds.
When driving I have gone from having my rider fall to having them back up surfing again in less than 30 seconds using this method, with and without surf system.
Old    Ron T (Laker1234)      Join Date: Mar 2010       07-30-2014, 12:42 PM Reply   
How much of a risk is there to the platform?
Old     (hotrod508)      Join Date: Oct 2013       07-30-2014, 1:06 PM Reply   
To find out the answer your question, have someone drive the boat at 9 or 10 and see how much resistance there is with you hand over the side of the boat in the water...there is more pressure the more surface area that is in the water. If you secure to the platform and the platform is secure, then the risk is "slim to none". If your platform is ready to fall off then the risk is much higher. Is all how you do it.
Old    Jut (robertsjut)      Join Date: Jul 2009       07-30-2014, 1:59 PM Reply   
Here is one that I made for my 2007 Supreme V208. I will test it this weekend to see how it does. If i like the results I will make one out of HDPE. Total cost so far about $10 plus 1hr of time (had a 1/2 sheet of birch leftover from my sub box.
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Old    Jack Henry (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       07-30-2014, 2:03 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by robertsjut View Post
Here is one that I made for my 2007 Supreme V208. I will test it this weekend to see how it does. If i like the results I will make one out of HDPE. Total cost so far about $10 plus 1hr of time (had a 1/2 sheet of birch leftover from my sub box.
Excellent. Only recommendation I would offer is to make the gate 18" long, seems to be the most average length on every malibu & Axis at the dealer I measured except the 24' MXZ was 22" & taper the top two inches from the hull as it extends to the back. Yes, they did ask me why I was walking around measuring all the boats but the sales guy was really cool about it & let me carry on
Old    Tom N (SangerTom)      Join Date: Aug 2010       07-31-2014, 9:28 PM Reply   
Okay - took about 4 hours for my son and I to build. Cost about $140.00. Hardest part was lining up the holes on the vertical flap with the horizontal pieces. Everything else, as Jack suggested, was eyeballed for "yeah that looks good". I kept with the 18" long per Jack.

Going to Lake Mohave this weekend to give it a test run.

And yes I need to put the damn oil on the step again....I swear it drinks it.
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Old    Jack Henry (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       08-01-2014, 8:21 AM Reply   
Looks great! My deck sucks up the oil too. Damn near impossible to keep it looking fresh. Play with your weight, mine seems to like non surf side sac about half full, so 300-400 pounds, surf side 900 pounds, wedge down (I know you don't have one), 500 in the bow & 200-300 on surf side seats. However other times it likes more or less, finicky hull I have I think
Old    Andy Nintzel (andy_nintzel)      Join Date: Sep 2004       08-01-2014, 8:39 AM Reply   
This I Brilliant! I just ordered everything to whip one up!
Old    Jack Henry (racer808)      Join Date: Jan 2013       08-08-2014, 12:18 PM Reply   
Hey Tom, any updates on the how the gate worked out?
Old    Darren Yearsley (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-12-2014, 6:06 PM Reply   
Yeah Tom, how did your test go, I'm looking to do this to our V210 this year
Old    Ron T (Laker1234)      Join Date: Mar 2010       08-18-2014, 2:28 PM Reply   
Tom?
Old    Russ Weber (Boonejeepin)      Join Date: Oct 2012       08-18-2014, 3:12 PM Reply   
I made something similar and it worked well. My gate is in line with the hull (no outward angle). Unfortunately I don't have pics of just the wave.

I have my Ghetto Gate on a 2010 Moomba XLV.

Old    Trayson Harmon (trayson)      Join Date: May 2013       08-18-2014, 5:05 PM Reply   
^^^^ best "non-ghetto" example I've seen to date.
Old    Ron T (Laker1234)      Join Date: Mar 2010       08-18-2014, 6:00 PM Reply   
Looks nice!!! How do you weight the boat?
Old    Russ Weber (Boonejeepin)      Join Date: Oct 2012       08-18-2014, 6:36 PM Reply   
Both 900s full in lockers, center 1180 full, 400 in the bow, 540 on top of the playpen bag. No bags on lounge area seats or floor. People wherever they want to be. 400 in solid ballast listing to surf side a bit. Good wave.

Then added 900 to the floor to see what it would do and the wave was really nice, clean and long.

Best at 11mph.
Old    Russ Weber (Boonejeepin)      Join Date: Oct 2012       08-18-2014, 6:38 PM Reply   
http://youtu.be/BvWNalvsY8A

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