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Old    Ryan Bush (ryanbush11)      Join Date: May 2003       05-03-2014, 3:38 PM Reply   
1 pair of rev10s or 2 pairs of pro60s, which would be louder?

Just replaced my pro485s with rev410s and thinking the rev10s might be a better match.

Amp with be JL hd750/1
Old    David (DavidAnalog)      Join Date: Sep 2013       05-03-2014, 4:51 PM Reply   
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1 pair of rev10s or 2 pairs of pro60s, which would be louder?

Just replaced my pro485s with rev410s and thinking the rev10s might be a better match.

Amp with be JL hd750/1
The only way two Pro60s can compete with one Rev10 is in the realm of the horn.
A 10" driver is just about three times the surface area of a 6.5" driver. So one Rev10 will be louder than two Pro60s.
A dozen Pro60s will not play any lower than a single Pro60. A Rev10 has a larger pod displacement and a lower resonance midbass driver. So the midbass extension is significantly deeper on the Rev10.
The Pro60 does not have near the sound shaping and flatter response of the Rev10. There is nothing much musical about a Pro60. The Rev10 is remarkable sounding for an HLCD.
Volume wise you are comparing the wider and smoother output of the Rev10 against the narrower and peaky output of the Pro60. Average the output of each and the Rev10 wins in volume hands down.
Summary....No contest. The Rev10 all the way.
Old    Chase Tillett (tn_rider)      Join Date: Dec 2009       05-03-2014, 5:04 PM Reply   
David, you say a dozen pro 60's wouldn't play any louder than a single. Is that the case with the 10's? I feel like there are no diminishing returns with the 10's. Every set added will add.
Old    Tony (T_A)      Join Date: Feb 2013       05-03-2014, 5:07 PM Reply   
They will play louder but you won't get any more mid bass is what I got from it
Old    David (DavidAnalog)      Join Date: Sep 2013       05-03-2014, 5:27 PM Reply   
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David, you say a dozen pro 60's wouldn't play any louder than a single. Is that the case with the 10's? I feel like there are no diminishing returns with the 10's. Every set added will add.
No sir. Read that comment one more time please. Every pair added will definitely increase the SPL. Multiplying the quantity will not deliver a lower reach into the midbass.
Ten identical guitar strings plucked with the equal force combine for more amplitude but play the same frequency. Every speaker has a low frequency cut-off point and quantity will not alter that.
Old    Ryan Bush (ryanbush11)      Join Date: May 2003       05-03-2014, 5:28 PM Reply   
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The only way two Pro60s can compete with one Rev10 is in the realm of the horn.
A 10" driver is just about three times the surface area of a 6.5" driver. So one Rev10 will be louder than two Pro60s.
A dozen Pro60s will not play any lower than a single Pro60. A Rev10 has a larger pod displacement and a lower resonance midbass driver. So the midbass extension is significantly deeper on the Rev10.
The Pro60 does not have near the sound shaping and flatter response of the Rev10. There is nothing much musical about a Pro60. The Rev10 is remarkable sounding for an HLCD.
Volume wise you are comparing the wider and smoother output of the Rev10 against the narrower and peaky output of the Pro60. Average the output of each and the Rev10 wins in volume hands down.
Summary....No contest. The Rev10 all the way.
Thanks for the response, I'm going to assume this is David previously from Earmark?

What would your opinion on 4 rev8s with 200 watts each vs 2 rev10s with 400 watts each?
Old    David (DavidAnalog)      Join Date: Sep 2013       05-03-2014, 5:59 PM Reply   
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Thanks for the response, I'm going to assume this is David previously from Earmark?

What would your opinion on 4 rev8s with 200 watts each vs 2 rev10s with 400 watts each?
Yes. Retired earlier last year.

Some of the basic principles from above still apply. The Rev10 with a lower resonance midbass driver and larger pod displacement reaches lower but the swing is not nearly as extreme.
In this case the surface area of four 8" surpass the surface area of two 10". So I have to give the doubled up Rev8s a moderate SPL advantage when using the identical total power.
This is much closer because both considerations are from the newer Wetsounds Rev series. Each group has the edge in one area.
This is personal and subjective but I like the upfront midrange of the Rev8s. You miss absolutely nothing with the Rev8. I'm also probably in the minority on this. The Rev10 has a rising characteristic above the vocal fundamentals that accentuates the upper harmonics and highs and is slightly withdrawn in the middle which nicely attenuates the horn impact through the vocal range. This sound shaping takes the strident edge off vocals.
To put a visual perspective on what I hear, the Rev8 has kind of a subtle and soft bubble in the middle of the overall response kind of like a convex shape curves outward in the middle. The Rev10 has kind of a slight and soft null in the middle of the overall response kind of like a concave curves inward in the middle. Neither has any hint of abrupt bias, tilt or peaks.
So I see this as a much closer comparison.
Old    Ryan Bush (ryanbush11)      Join Date: May 2003       05-03-2014, 7:33 PM Reply   
Thanks again for the info, and congratulations on the retirement!

So with the info you have provided in mind I am planning on going with 2 Rev10s and 2 Rev410s, would it be safe to assume that I am going to see a substantial increase in SPL from my current system of 4 pro60s and 2 pro485s? Will keep the same setup of 3 HD750/1s

Last edited by ryanbush11; 05-03-2014 at 7:35 PM. Reason: spelling
Old    David (DavidAnalog)      Join Date: Sep 2013       05-03-2014, 8:04 PM Reply   
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Thanks again for the info, and congratulations on the retirement!

So with the info you have provided in mind I am planning on going with 2 Rev10s and 2 Rev410s, would it be safe to assume that I am going to see a substantial increase in SPL from my current system of 4 pro60s and 2 pro485s? Will keep the same setup of 3 HD750/1s
Yes, that will be a giant improvement. The Pro485 was a good sounding speaker already but not the Pro60s. The Rev series is a big step up and running nothing but 10s will be amazing. Loud WITH sound quality.
Old    Ryan Bush (ryanbush11)      Join Date: May 2003       05-03-2014, 8:37 PM Reply   
Thanks again for the info, I thought the quality of the 485s was good but not great. I really expect the REV speakers to be better, and I guess after a couple years my system has lost that WOW factor when you turn it up. Hoping to get that back with this upgrade
Old    Bryce Pool (bryce2320)      Join Date: May 2012       05-04-2014, 5:03 AM Reply   
Yea, it'll be night and day difference on the swim deck, and at the end of the rope! Congrats on the new system and throw up some pics when you get it all going!
Old    Ryan Bush (ryanbush11)      Join Date: May 2003       05-28-2014, 8:14 AM Reply   
Here's a tower pic:

Old    Chase Tillett (tn_rider)      Join Date: Dec 2009       05-28-2014, 10:05 AM Reply   
How's it sound?
Old    Ryan Bush (ryanbush11)      Join Date: May 2003       05-28-2014, 10:24 AM Reply   
the sound is awesome, not sure on the volume yet... going to put it on the o-scope next week, then I will be able to really crank it.
Old    Chase Tillett (tn_rider)      Join Date: Dec 2009       05-28-2014, 10:38 AM Reply   
I just got my second pair of rev 10's this week. Gonna go for a third but seeing the way the two 410's look I may go that route. I have the same tower. Do you take it down at all?
Old    Ryan Bush (ryanbush11)      Join Date: May 2003       05-28-2014, 10:44 AM Reply   
No I don't, If I was to go it over again I would go with 3 pairs of Rev10s and a single Rev410 though.
Old    Chase Tillett (tn_rider)      Join Date: Dec 2009       05-28-2014, 11:21 AM Reply   
What's the reason for that?
Old    Ryan Bush (ryanbush11)      Join Date: May 2003       05-28-2014, 11:23 AM Reply   
I would have 2 more 10s that way.

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