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Old    Bryce (brycejb328)      Join Date: Aug 2009       02-06-2014, 6:47 AM Reply   
Hey Everyone, by nature of the sport we enjoy, most of us have a truck/suv. How many of you have an extra vehicle for when your not towing the boat?

My dilemma is that my truck is showing its age and seems to have more nuances popping up and I'd rather not accelerate these issues by driving it all the time, not to mention, it seems like a waste to drive a truck to/from work.

I have done all the math and figured out when it would actually start to "pay for itself", in some respect I don't find it realistic in regard to how we operate in life versus what an ROI calculation spits out. For instance, things are cheaper to fix on a small car versus a truck or I take a road trip on the holiday to see the family, those are areas where a big chunk of cash is saved and doesn't affect the cash flow so much on that particular month.

Discuss your experiences with having a second vehicle....
Old    Mike North Carolina (MIKEnNC)      Join Date: Nov 2012       02-06-2014, 7:22 AM Reply   
i bought a 2004 mazda 3 hatchback 5 speed last year that gets close to 30 a gallon just to drive around town and back and forth to work and sometimes the occasional 60 mile trip to Raleigh or Wilmington to hang out for the day. what I save alone in gas pays more than what it costs me to own it. now I did just buy it outright and spend 6500 on it and it is really clean. being I run a car stereo and rim shop I did put a little system in it and a buddy of mine at a body shop painted my factory 17" 5 stars gloss black for me, tinted the windows and it is really a nice looking and driving little car to put around in. I also like the hatchback for getting groceries or throwing the wakeboards in to go hit the cable park when im not going out on the boat. but I have no regrets about the purchase, it does save money and I actually have something other than gas receipts to show for it
Old    Rusty Beckner (rbeckner27)      Join Date: Oct 2013       02-06-2014, 7:24 AM Reply   
I own and f250 diesel and was spending $100 atleast a week on fuel and about a year ago I bought a 2002 nissan sentra and now I spend about $80 every 3 weeks. So for arguments sake say $110 a month on fuel vs $400 with the truck, to me it was a no brainer. I easily cover the truck payment with the fuel savings from the car. I haven't had to spend to much on the car just little things here and there, so as for me I am a huge advocate for a commuter car. The big thing to remember with a commuter car is that it's only purpose is for transporting from A to B, it doesn't have to be the best looking or fastest car, just safe, reliable, and fuel efficient.

I do try to take the truck out atleast once every 2 weeks just to make sure it's running fine but for the most part it is used when needed or if we feel like riding around with a little more room.

I'd say go for it just don't dump lots of money buying the commuter then don't try to jazz it up with stereo and wheels etc that we all like to do to with our boats and such.
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       02-06-2014, 7:30 AM Reply   
look for a used manual diesel jetta/golf, fun around town with booming torque but get stellar MPG's and are pretty reliable to boot.
Old    Bryce Pool (bryce2320)      Join Date: May 2012       02-06-2014, 7:45 AM Reply   
Somehow we acquired a dodge seibring last summer, and it saves me a ton of cash. I hate driving it, but it's hard to drive my 1 ton back and forth to work when 49 bucks lasts over a week in that car.
Old    Bcd D (bcd)      Join Date: Jun 2012       02-06-2014, 7:48 AM Reply   
I've had a 99 cavalier for 3 years that I got for $2400. It has paid for itself a couple times now on gas savings alone, not to count the mileage I haven't put on my truck. My coworkers get a kick out of me having a new expensive wakeboat and pos car. They had me put a Mastercraft sticker on the back of the cavalier.

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Old    Garon Davis (gpd005)      Join Date: May 2013       02-06-2014, 8:09 AM Reply   
I'm rocking a 2004 Caddy that i picked up for $1500 because the check engine light was on. (the older lady who owned it before only ran 87 octane fuel in it which kicked the light on) It gets 25mpg and has been one of the best investments i've ever made. My truck sits in the garage until it is needed.
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       02-06-2014, 8:44 AM Reply   
I have an 07 civic si and an 01 excursion 7.3. I don't think keeping the civic has really penciled given what I spend to insure and maintain it, but there are certain intangibles to having an "extra" car in case one of ours has to go in for service. The civic costs me about 1/3 what the excursion does at the pump between better mileage and cheaper fuel. My fast and furious days are starting to wane and I have been kicking around the idea of something more economical when the time comes, like a jetta tdi sportwagon most likely.
Old    Joe Condon (jcon44)      Join Date: Aug 2012       02-06-2014, 9:28 AM Reply   
I went back and forth on this topic with my wife for close to a year. I was driving my truck 60 miles round trip to work getting 14 mpg. It was killing me in gas but she just didn't like the idea, finally she caved and i bought a used chrysler 200 that gets close to 30mpg's. Even with the added cost of insurance i still feel like I'm saving money. I've put over 10k miles on that things since last July. The wife likes to take if from me every once in awhile when she has allot of driving to do. The other bonus is with a third vehicle I can work on one car by myself without having to worry about getting to work the next day. My truck is currently out of commission because i broke off a leaf spring shackle bolt last night. I cant image not having a third now.
Old    Ryan (ryanw209)      Join Date: Jan 2010       02-06-2014, 11:01 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by rbeckner27 View Post
The big thing to remember with a commuter car is that it's only purpose is for transporting from A to B, it doesn't have to be the best looking or fastest car, just safe, reliable, and fuel efficient.

I'd say go for it just don't dump lots of money buying the commuter then don't try to jazz it up with stereo and wheels etc that we all like to do to with our boats and such.

This is probably the best advice you will get out of any of these responses. You want to get a commuter car to save money right? Buy the cheapest most reliable car you can that gets the best gas mileage. Don't dump any money into it that is not completely necessary. I had a loaded 2005 tahoe that was killing me in gas a few years back. I sold it for $20k and picked up a 2003 F150 with low miles for $11.5k and a 1999 honda civic with only 97k on it for $4k. The truck sits in the garage for the most part unless I'm towing or going to the snow and I drive the Honda daily. It has quite a few dents and dings but it is mechanically sound and gets me from place to place at 34mpg.

I've come to really enjoy driving the honda and beating the crap outa it and everytime I have to fill it up it makes me love it even more!
Old    Phatboypimp (phatboypimp)      Join Date: Apr 2005       02-06-2014, 1:17 PM Reply   
Most people do not do the math associated with a second car. Make sure you include maintenance (tires, brakes, oil/changes), registration and insurance. I recently tried to determine if I needed a commuter alongside my C350 since it is 240 miles round trip to the lake and I drive quite a bit for work. In my case it didn't work because I wanted a nice used Prius in the $14K range averaging 15,000 miles a year. In this exercise I was going from 22mpg to 49mpg and trying to predict how long it would take to break even. It became clear to me that the $2851 was a good trade if I got rid of the Benz but keeping them both was a more difficult decision as I would have to pay $950 to insure the Benz because I still would like to drive it and at $1950 in savings it would take me 7 years to break even. I know I am looking at a relatively expensive second car but the math would be the same. It is also difficult to truly understand how much wear I am not putting on the Benz and what that means in $$$$.

2010 or Newer Prius ($14,000)
Insurance ($30 x 12 months) $360.00
Oil Change ($100 Synthetic @ 10,000 miles) $150.00
Gas cost (15000/49mpg x $4 gallon) $1,224.00
Tires (50,000 mile tires - $340 installed) $102.00

Total: $1,836.00


Mercedes C350
Oil Change ($100 Synthetic @ 3000 miles) $500.00
Insurance $949.00
Tires ($750 every 22,000 miles) $511.00
Gas Cost (15000/22mpg x $4 gallon) $2,727.00

Total: $4,687.00
Old    Ian Gordon (16igordon)      Join Date: Jun 2013       02-06-2014, 1:27 PM Reply   
My family has a 2011 ML350, 2012 honda accord, and 2009 saab 9-3. My dad used to have a tahoe but with his commute to work, he was paying more in gas (his tahoe was paid off) than he could be paying for gas in the accord as well as the payment. So, he decided to get rid of it and get a commuter car (the honda). It was a good choice.
Old    Aric Brabec (aricsx15)      Join Date: Jan 2014       02-06-2014, 1:41 PM Reply   
Had a 2011 f150 Fx2 super crew that averaged about 16-17 MPGS. (Lie-o-meter) Sold my boat, so I was driving a truck for no reason since I was really the only person in the truck either. so about 90 bucks in gas a week, and the payment was 550 bucks a month too.


So I got rid of the truck and now drive a 2011 BMW 328i. My payments went down to 460 bucks, and its 50 bucks a week for gas. When i do get another boat, ill probably buy a beater truck. Free oil changes too!
Old    JE (jeventures)      Join Date: Jun 2012       02-06-2014, 2:43 PM Reply   
Since we bought a Prius our truck is used only for towing the boat and motorcycle trailers. You can imagine how small our gas expense gets in the dead of winter!
Old    Ryan K (FastR3DN3K)      Join Date: Jun 2013       02-06-2014, 3:30 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by simplej View Post
look for a used manual diesel jetta/golf, fun around town with booming torque but get stellar MPG's and are pretty reliable to boot.
^^^This. My tow vehicle is a 2012 Ram 3500 MegaCab Dually 4x4, and is completely unrealistic for me to drive to my job. I work offshore, and my commute is 600ish miles one way to the dock. I decided to buy a commuter for this instead due to the crazy amount of money it would cost to drive that monster back and forth. When I first started out here, I picked up a 2004 VW GTI VR6 and it was great, but only got about 26 tops real world vs. the advertised 30-32. Fun to drive and crazy fast, but not the best option for a good commuter. I totaled it out in December and upgraded to a 2009 Jetta TDI and I love it as a commuter. Now I'm getting around 43 mpg @ 72 on the interstate, less if I push it any faster, and even had it up to 63 mpg @ 50 for a good stretch on my last drive. I used to have to stop and fill up twice in the GTI just to get to/from work one way, now I can make it all the way to work with fuel to spare on one tank. I've got around a 650 mile range with the way I drive right now. Best part of it is I get better mileage than all the smug Prius owners (no offense to you guys here that have them, just the stereotypical "I can save the world with my Prius" douchebags), can smoke them in a race, and still do a burnout.

You can pick them up pretty cheap if you look around, but they are starting to get in higher demand and used prices are beginning to creep up on them. I paid $9700 for my 09 with 122k miles, loaded out with leather and every option except the touch screen stereo, and in mint condition with the exception of one small dent on the lip of the hood.

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Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       02-06-2014, 4:32 PM Reply   
^^^ enough torque to offer up some fun without sacrificing any MPG's, my buddy has one with intake and tune, its shockingly quick and he nets 46mpg hway after tune...
Old    Bryce (brycejb328)      Join Date: Aug 2009       02-06-2014, 4:48 PM Reply   
Lets call all things equal between a prius and vw diesel as far as mpg... right now in my area in MN, diesel is $.80 more per gallon. The difference is pretty substantial.

The last few years or so I haven't had a second vehicle. I always used to and I missing having one. To me, it just makes sense. I feel like if I tried to cheap out on this and not buy a Prius, I would eventually end up with one after having a different car for a year anyway. MPG and cost wise, I just think its the way to go. The market of vehicles that get close to 40 is pretty big, seems the prius is really the king of that high 40's mpg vehicle. Unless you went full electric.
Old     (sandm01)      Join Date: May 2010       02-06-2014, 4:51 PM Reply   
no prom queen, but I use a 94 honda accord. got it from my old man as original owner and currently has 128k on the odo. 30-35mpg's all day long and runs great. not a new mercedes or mazda but it's reliable. I noticed the other day I've driven the ford tow truck 500 miles in the last 6 months. should last me a long time with that type of use.
Old    TJ (Houstonshark)      Join Date: Jan 2011       02-06-2014, 5:12 PM Reply   
I'm in a similar situation, only mine has to do more with depreciation. My company gives me a $550 car allowance and pays for my gas and tolls.

The issue is I drive a lot. I will probably put 50k miles on my new F150 Limited this year. With that many miles, it doesn't take long to get upside down.

I don't just drive to the office. I spend a lot of time driving to client's homes or business so I really can't drive a POS.

I've been considering a used 4Runner since we can pull the boat with my wife's Escalade.
Old    Ben R (brichter14)      Join Date: Jul 2010       02-06-2014, 5:14 PM Reply   
Last year my wife was doing an internship an hour from my work. I bought a 93 geo metro for the hour commute. I paid 600 bucks for the car but i probably had 1500 into it after a month.


I put 40k miles on that car getting 45-55 mpg. (3 cyl 5 speed). In march we moved back to town and i put it on craigslist. I sold it for 2800 bucks. Amazing how some basic mods and upkeep can skyrocket retail!
Old    Ryan K (FastR3DN3K)      Join Date: Jun 2013       02-07-2014, 7:44 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by brycejb328 View Post
Lets call all things equal between a prius and vw diesel as far as mpg... right now in my area in MN, diesel is $.80 more per gallon. The difference is pretty substantial.

The last few years or so I haven't had a second vehicle. I always used to and I missing having one. To me, it just makes sense. I feel like if I tried to cheap out on this and not buy a Prius, I would eventually end up with one after having a different car for a year anyway. MPG and cost wise, I just think its the way to go. The market of vehicles that get close to 40 is pretty big, seems the prius is really the king of that high 40's mpg vehicle. Unless you went full electric.
Actually they're not equal. Go over to the TDI forums and you'll see that there are a ton of guys getting 800+ miles out of a tank in their VWs. And the Prius doesn't get near the fuel mileage that the Jetta gets. Real world numbers for the Prius is around 39 on the highway @ 70. You won't start getting into the high 40's with one until you drop around around 60. Hardly the king considering my Jetta gets low to mid 50's at 60 mph, and I'm a heavy-footed speeder who hates the idea of "hyper-miling". Yes, diesel is a bit more expensive, but when you're filling a tank that's 1/3 of the size of your truck, you don't really notice much difference. Maybe $5-10/tank more than a Prius to fill up. My last fill-up was at $3.59/gal and I put about $36 in with about a 1/4 tank (14ish gal tank) left to give you a reference. Regular unleaded was $3.12/gal, so based on the math it would've cost me about $32 to fill up with regular gas in the same amount. Personally I'll take the couple extra dollars per tank to get the extra fuel mileage that the diesel offers.
Old    Ryan K (FastR3DN3K)      Join Date: Jun 2013       02-07-2014, 7:49 AM Reply   
Since you're probably going to look at something a bit older as a commuter, this is completely relevant:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VjmARPMXaY
Old    Tim (srock)      Join Date: Mar 2002       02-07-2014, 7:59 AM Reply   
When you talk about depreciation and insurance (south florida rates) of two vehicles I'm not so sure there is that big difference.

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Old    Bryce (brycejb328)      Join Date: Aug 2009       02-07-2014, 8:09 AM Reply   
I guess I've been under the impression that real world mileage on the Prius is around 47 to 48. Never knew the tdi was going that much higher on mpg than advertised.
Old    Ryan K (FastR3DN3K)      Join Date: Jun 2013       02-07-2014, 8:15 AM Reply   
And to prove that I'm not totally biased and looking at this through jaded eyes, one more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46nMnCt75qI

Yes, the Prius was the overall winner, but the TDI won 2 of the 3 driving challenges. And the 2 challenges that it won are the 2 driving conditions that I do the most: backroads and highways, making it better for my needs. If you're gonna spend a ton of time on the open road, it's the best option. If you're gonna spend a bunch of time in town commuting between redlights, then there are a few other options out there that may be better at that type of driving.
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       02-07-2014, 9:14 AM Reply   
plus i wouldn't be able to live with myself in a prius but a diesel....(especially manual) would be fine!
Old    Ryan K (FastR3DN3K)      Join Date: Jun 2013       02-07-2014, 9:38 AM Reply   
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I guess I've been under the impression that real world mileage on the Prius is around 47 to 48. Never knew the tdi was going that much higher on mpg than advertised.
Brand new they are capable of getting that sort of mileage, but as the batteries age and deteriorate, your alternative mileage will begin to suffer. The shelf life on them is around 10 years, and for what it costs to buy a new set of batteries, it's about the same as replacing the whole 10 year old car. In the long run it just isn't worth it to maintain a Prius, the cost of ownership is extremely high (both initial purchase price and maintenance to keep it on the road long term). Check out http://forums.tdiclub.com/ and talk to those guys (covers all VW TDI models) and you'll see there are guys that are hypermilers capable of reaching 1000 miles on a tank.

Also, I feel this is pretty relevant to discussion of how "economical" a Prius really is...skip ahead to about the 3:30 mark:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmxUsGiGp3w
Old    Ryan K (FastR3DN3K)      Join Date: Jun 2013       02-07-2014, 9:41 AM Reply   
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plus i wouldn't be able to live with myself in a prius but a diesel....(especially manual) would be fine!
+1. I would rather castrate myself with a rusty spoon and smash my dick with a hammer on a daily basis than ever be caught driving a Prius
Old    Ryan K (FastR3DN3K)      Join Date: Jun 2013       02-07-2014, 9:54 AM Reply   
This is in my Jetta TDI a little over a week ago driving from Houma, LA to Port Fourchon, LA (about 65 miles of 2-lane backroads with several red lights and stops). Average speed of around 58-60 mph. I also reset my tripmeter at the last fill up and you can see that I had already done over 300 miles on less than a 1/2 tank of fuel. I've yet to run it all the way to near empty, but I calculate 650 miles/tank is easy, and have no doubt in my mind that I could easily push the 700 mile limit on one tank.


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Old    Bryce (brycejb328)      Join Date: Aug 2009       02-07-2014, 10:51 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by FastR3DN3K View Post
This is in my Jetta TDI a little over a week ago driving from Houma, LA to Port Fourchon, LA (about 65 miles of 2-lane backroads with several red lights and stops). Average speed of around 58-60 mph. I also reset my tripmeter at the last fill up and you can see that I had already done over 300 miles on less than a 1/2 tank of fuel. I've yet to run it all the way to near empty, but I calculate 650 miles/tank is easy, and have no doubt in my mind that I could easily push the 700 mile limit on one tank.

Not trying to raise conflict, does the manual calculation stay true to what the gauge read out is?

My truck is in the shop right now, a daily driver car is looking real appealing.
Old     (pprior)      Join Date: Jan 2012       02-07-2014, 12:00 PM Reply   
At least where I live diesel is a good 25-30% higher cost, so erase 30% of that mileage when comparing to a gasoline powered car.
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       02-07-2014, 12:06 PM Reply   
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At least where I live diesel is a good 25-30% higher cost, so erase 30% of that mileage when comparing to a gasoline powered car.
30%?! So if you are paying $3.00 a gallon for gas, Diesel is $3.90? In my area the differential is about half that ($0.40-$0.50 a gallon).
Old    Ryan K (FastR3DN3K)      Join Date: Jun 2013       02-07-2014, 12:20 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by brycejb328 View Post
Not trying to raise conflict, does the manual calculation stay true to what the gauge read out is?

My truck is in the shop right now, a daily driver car is looking real appealing.
I've had the car for about 2 months now and have only run 4 or 5 tanks through it, but so far the manual calculation is within about 0.5 mpg of the computer, so it's pretty accurate. The only thing that I don't like about the VW computer system is that it actually runs 2 separate MPG averages. The #1 screen resets every time you start the car after sitting for a few hours, the #2 screen doesn't reset unless you manually do it (think of this one more as a long-term/lifetime average). I usually reset the #2 gauge at each fill up just to get a better idea of the per tank average. The economy gauge in that pic reset when I started my trip that morning and that is my average just for that short trip on my way down to the docks. The day before I drove into Houma, LA from Ft. Worth, TX and averaged 43.3 @ 72 the whole way on the interstate. In town I've been averaging around 35. Best I've done so far is 63.7 mpg at an average of about 53 mph on a short trip down the backroads of N. Texas. The "money zone" for most vehicles (but especially the TDI) is gonna be in the 50-60 mph range.
Old    Steven Pederson (sppeders)      Join Date: Jul 2011       02-08-2014, 8:29 PM Reply   
Both my wife and i drive 50 miles round trip a day, so 100miles a day

My commuter is a 2002 malibu which i bought new it now has around 253K on the odometer, gets mid 20's in winter to around 30's summer.

My tow vehicle has 260K on it 99 7.3

For me it just doesn't make economical sense to put money into a tow vehicle when i beat the heck out of that... it gets slammed with 2 yards of dirt, wood, hauls sleds, boat... but all that added up is probably 5% of my miles....

Next vehicle i buy will be a nicer passenger car in the (don't laugh) $16k-22K range. I just can't stomach $100 fuel ups driving a nicer truck....

My wife drives a 2002 Suburban that we had to buy last spring due to a 1 year old and twins on the way... looking forward to parking that as well.
Old    J (Jmorlan)      Join Date: May 2013       02-08-2014, 10:21 PM Reply   
My commuter is an E500. Love it.
Very comfortable, gets good mileage. Awesome road trip vehicle.


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Old    Ken (kenv)      Join Date: May 2002       02-09-2014, 12:00 AM Reply   
I think a lot of us diesel guys with boats have a "Patrick Swazye" car in the driveway. This is the Roadhouse (movie) car that gets good mileage and won't cause tears if it's gone when you come out of a movie theater or the Bass Pro Shops parking lot. Nothing sucks more that a screwdriver punch through your door or a broken window. I got mine to save on gas..but also to take it to places where the parking is not so friendly. Plus my daughter is learning to drive in it..as opposed to driving the F250 for now. 2013 Ford Focus....35 mpg on the highway.....averaging about 30 to and from work...cut my monthly bill in half. I'm really impressed with the Toyota and Jetta mileage numbers.
Old    Ryan K (FastR3DN3K)      Join Date: Jun 2013       02-09-2014, 7:37 AM Reply   
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Not trying to raise conflict, does the manual calculation stay true to what the gauge read out is?

My truck is in the shop right now, a daily driver car is looking real appealing.
Bryce I remember your other thread about the electrical gremlins. Have you gotten them sorted out yet? Or is this what is spurring on the idea of a 2nd/commuter vehicle? And just so you know you're not alone, my wife's 2010 Tahoe started having electrical issues yesterday...like I said in your other thread: Chevys are plagued with electrical problems. This now makes 3 we've owned and all 3 have had issues.
Old    Bryce (brycejb328)      Join Date: Aug 2009       02-09-2014, 12:10 PM Reply   
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Bryce I remember your other thread about the electrical gremlins. Have you gotten them sorted out yet? Or is this what is spurring on the idea of a 2nd/commuter vehicle? And just so you know you're not alone, my wife's 2010 Tahoe started having electrical issues yesterday...like I said in your other thread: Chevys are plagued with electrical problems. This now makes 3 we've owned and all 3 have had issues.
Ya that's part of it. It's been to the shop twice if not three times in regard to the erratic speedometer / shifting problem. There response is always "worked fine for us". It would be nice to have a second vehicle regardless, but with the truck issues it is more appealing. I always had a second commuter car and miss it. I just don't like piling on the high cost of operation miles on the truck.
Old    Paulh (paulharenberg)      Join Date: Jul 2007       02-16-2014, 1:47 PM Reply   
Rocking a 2004 Chevy Cavalier 5 speed with 50k miles that I purchased for 3800 2 years ago. You could always get screwed with a used car but its been good so far. 32 mpg regular vs. 16 mpg high test in the truck, the car will pay for it self if it hasn't already. I try to drive the truck once a week, been more recently with the North east snow we've been having. On clear days its been great in the cavalier.
Old     (nitrousbird)      Join Date: Sep 2008       02-16-2014, 2:40 PM Reply   
'07 Ford Taurus. Company car and I'd never own one myself...what a POS car, cheap rental car garbage. But the free gas and nearly free car ($27 every 2 weeks) is more than enough incentive to drive this bland, poorly built, lifeless junk.

If I were buying another car to commute, it would get okay mileage and be semi fun to drive. First Generation CTS-V comes to mind. Early 996 Porsche would be fun. BMW 650 also comes to mind or an early 2000's M3. He'll, the 335's are a pretty reasonable price now.
Old    Bryce (brycejb328)      Join Date: Aug 2009       02-16-2014, 3:19 PM Reply   
I ended up getting into a 2010 Honda Insight with 52k miles on it for a really good price. Nice not having to worry about the truck as a daily driver.
Old    Ryan K (FastR3DN3K)      Join Date: Jun 2013       02-27-2014, 11:12 AM Reply   
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I ended up getting into a 2010 Honda Insight with 52k miles on it for a really good price. Nice not having to worry about the truck as a daily driver.
Bryce now that you've had the Honda for a couple weeks, I'm curious what your thoughts on it are as a commuter?
Old    J D (jeff_mn)      Join Date: Jul 2009       02-27-2014, 12:45 PM Reply   
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Bryce now that you've had the Honda for a couple weeks, I'm curious what your thoughts on it are as a commuter?
I was out with Bryce the other night -- and as a 2010 Prius 5 owner, I will say that the Insight is much more 'liveable" than my car.. Quieter, more low RPM torque making it feel livelier in town. The MPG from what I understand reflects some of this (compared to a Prius) but I think the insight is a much nicer middle ground if you aren't trying to set MPG records hypermiling a Prius like me. The cluster/stereo set up is more aestethically pleasing as well, which is personal.

Daily driver - Insight
Pure commuter - Prius

IMO.
Old    Bryce (brycejb328)      Join Date: Aug 2009       02-27-2014, 7:52 PM Reply   
I really enjoy it.

Compared to some other economy cars I have driven, the drive-ability is actually pretty nice. It serves its intended function well. Like most economy cars, you get a fair amount of road noise, but definitely not the worse I have ever been in. My GF and I had test drove a new-ish prius at one time, dont be fooled by the insight looking like a copy of the prius visually, they are very different on how they operate/feel.

Harsh temps here in MN right now, so I let the car warm up quite a bit, combined with running the heat, defroster, low traction/slippery roads, and it has snow tires on it right now, I got right at 37 MPG first tank and the current tank, I am getting close to 36. I am fairly certain in the summer I will be in the mid 40's consistently.

My only real complaint is the way the CVT engages from a start, its just not smooth. Seems to be the nature of the way the system works. Also, the braking feel is kinda weird with the re-generative braking. The braking feel is inconsistent, seems to be based on how agressive you brake, how fast your going, etc... I have gotten used to both things and they don't really concern me anymore.

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