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Old    "G" (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       10-19-2017, 3:24 PM Reply   
Holly crap. Pandoras Box has opened up. Harvey Weinsteins 29+ accusers have seemed to have inspired anyone that has been sexually harassed to now come out, the List of Sexual harassers seems to grow each day.

1. Harvey Weinstein (Miramax Studios) sexual harassment/rape
2. Roy Price (Amazon Studios) sexual harassment
3. George Clooney accused of covering up sexual harassment and blacklisting actress's
4. Ben Affleck facing sexual harassment allegations
5. Larry Nassar (womens Olympic gymnast Doctor) Olympic gymnast McKayla Maroney say she was sexually assaulted by him


What's strange is how Hollywood knew about many of these Sexual Predators. I have now seen many clips where Famous people say "on Camera" about Harvey Weinsteins inappropriate sexual advances but yet all they did was make Jokes about it.
Old    Darren Yearsley (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       10-19-2017, 4:39 PM Reply   
Wait till the Cory Feildman pedophile stuff gets legs
Old    "G" (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       10-19-2017, 5:38 PM Reply   
Why do you think it took so long for something to be done about Harvey Weinstein? People have openly been talking about it and joking about it for 10+ years.
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       10-19-2017, 5:42 PM Reply   
Good name for a punk band.
Old    Darren Yearsley (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       10-19-2017, 7:15 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by grant_west View Post
Why do you think it took so long for something to be done about Harvey Weinstein? People have openly been talking about it and joking about it for 10+ years.
Like all powerful people, its the double whammy of keeping on his good side and keep the money tree fruiting and potential blow back of an incomplete take down resulting in terminated career.
Old    Adam Curtis (acurtis_ttu)      Join Date: May 2004       10-20-2017, 7:22 AM Reply   
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Why do you think it took so long for something to be done about Harvey Weinstein? People have openly been talking about it and joking about it for 10+ years.
Societal shifts in whats acceptable. Not too long ago our president was bangin hookers in the white house....and no one said anything.

I'm glad society as a whole is finally taking a stand against this kind of culture.
Old    "G" (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       10-22-2017, 8:25 PM Reply   
How come you think Harvey didnít make a pass at Oprah?
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Old    doug rose (dougr)      Join Date: Dec 2009       Yesterday, 4:57 AM Reply   
there are 2 problems, #1, yes most of those men probably did, or still do, use their power to harass women
#2, the hollywood scene is a total pile of ****, most (not all) but most are so used to lying (thats what acting is, making something up and making it look real) that they don't even know if it happened or if they dreamed it. And they all want to be victims when one is a victim or oppressed when one is oppressed. So no one will really ever know if its true or not for some of them, but I think poor Harvey has too much dirt on him to get out of this one.
Old    Alex Faylar (wakeslash)      Join Date: Sep 2017       Yesterday, 7:34 AM Reply   
Lol where is jarrod and thewakeisreal at ?
Old    "G" (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       Yesterday, 8:43 AM Reply   
I saw a video on YouTube that I thought at first was offensive but after thinking about it he has a point. The video makes fun of women that wait 13 years or so to come forward and then are called “ courageous “ by other people after the fact. He contends that women that didn’t come forward when it happend are responsible for letting other women down the line get raped or molested.

Here is the video if you want to see it warning (F-Bombs ect)
https://youtu.be/JMDfWOZaW2w
Old    Dave (bcrider)      Join Date: Apr 2006       Yesterday, 8:45 AM Reply   
All the Bill O'Reilly sexual assault allegations are coming out now too. It's the new hot topic (topic being sexual assault)
Old    "G" (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       Yesterday, 8:59 AM Reply   
I saw that today on CBS. They were reporting that Fox had paid out over 43 million in Sexuall harassment law suits. Former Fox president had to pay 20+ million and O’Reilly had reached a settlement of 23 Million to a former co host for sexuall harassment. Dammm!
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       Yesterday, 9:22 AM Reply   
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He contends that women that didnít come forward when it happend are responsible for letting other women down the line get raped or molested.
He can contend that but it just makes him a huge a$$, just like anyone who agrees with him. Blaming the victim is just stupid and myopic. If you have a culture of punishing the victim then you have a culture of keeping the offense suppressed.
Old    Wes (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       Yesterday, 10:56 AM Reply   
I'd like to see Grant open his big victim blaming mouth in front of Terry Crews lol.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/11/entert...ent/index.html
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       Yesterday, 11:29 AM Reply   
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I saw that today on CBS. They were reporting that Fox had paid out over 43 million in Sexuall harassment law suits. Former Fox president had to pay 20+ million and OíReilly had reached a settlement of 23 Million to a former co host for sexuall harassment. Dammm!
I bet they took a tax deduction for that. So the American taxpayer probably footed a quarter of that bill.
Old    Nacho (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       Yesterday, 12:16 PM Reply   
um, that's not really how taxes work. If I deduct $1 or $40M, it doesn't raise or lower anyone else's taxable earnings or what they pay.....
Old    Paul (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       Yesterday, 12:23 PM Reply   
I bet the defendants were in a higher tax bracket.
Old    Nacho (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       Yesterday, 12:38 PM Reply   
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Seems that you really don't understand the concept of revenue vs expenditure.
Haha!! right on.

When the tax code is written, yes things must be close to balancing. That's the rub with current "tax reform" discussions, where are the cuts going to be "reimbursed" for lack of a better term. The OMB makes that decision. Once the code is written, settlements, deductions, etc never balance and therefore don't affect anyone else's taxes. the gov't just receives more or less than what it estimated.

But I'm sure you'll find a typo and completely refute everything I said because it's Monday and the sun's out. Plus it just feels good to play the victim card for EVERYONE!!

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Old    Nacho (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       Yesterday, 12:57 PM Reply   
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Your superficial view of economics is not very illuminating. I never said that it would change your tax bill in any particular year. I never even said how that it would impact the taxpayer. Following your line of reasoning why not just allow everyone to deduct 100% of their income and pay no taxes. According to your economic theory it wouldn't affect anything except the govt receives less than what was estimated. Not sure why you feel the need to reply to me with your dumba$$ comments since you've already promised not to. It's not like I enjoy explaining things to an idiot.
little old man with a keyboard calling people an idiot. feel good big buy?

you said "taxpayers foot the bill" - categorically incorrect.
Old    Nacho (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       Yesterday, 1:06 PM Reply   
can't fix stupid. good day.
Old    "G" (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       Yesterday, 1:26 PM Reply   
Bill Cosby did the rape thing! I would be pissed to if other ladyís kept quiet & he was allowed to rape other ladyís for decades and if one of my loved ones was taken advantage of. O but wait that did happen! Wes your a dumb a$$ if you think for a second Iím Victim blaming. OĒ but wait you are a dumb a$$. Do you troll these threads just to get attention with dumb a$$ replyís and links like you post? I think rapists are human garbage and should be disposed of. A trip into a Giant wood chipper would be my vote! Personally I donít see how people that Rape ever get out of jail?That IMO is something you should not walk away from Just my 2c.
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       Yesterday, 1:51 PM Reply   
You just blamed the victim in your last post.

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I would be pissed to if other lady’s kept quiet & he was allowed to rape other lady’s for decades and if one of my loved ones was taken advantage of.
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       Yesterday, 1:56 PM Reply   
The biggest Cosby supporter that I argued with on Facebook was a conservative pastor that I went to high school with. That might give you an idea of what these women would be up against.
Old    "G" (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       Yesterday, 2:16 PM Reply   
Wow you Dems sure love your Rapest . Just like typical Dems say one thing and do another. Your telling me The Clintonís & The Obamaís never knew or heard storyís of this world class rapist. I guess as long as youíre making donations everything is fine. Hillary preaching about womenís rights all while excepting donations from Harvey Weinstein
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Old    Darren Yearsley (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       Yesterday, 2:26 PM Reply   
What i don't get is why there is this association with this being a left/right issue. Bill OReilly, gets caught out and liberals are ecstatic and point that a right wing dude is a rapist so all of a sudden everyone on the right is guilty by association. Then this media dude gets caught out and the pattern repeats but with shoe on the other foot. Just so weird to me. This tribalism of left/right is just so devolved its disheartening to see, when you roll it all the way out the result is civil war. Nobody seems to care.
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       Yesterday, 2:53 PM Reply   
Bill O'Reilly was a right wing propaganda purveyor on a 24/7 cable news network. So it's understandable why liberals were happy to see him get the boot. Chances are hardly anyone knew who Weinstein was, especially in a political sense. But since it turned out that he donated or raised lots of money for democrats, it's a big whoopie moment for idiots like Grant that make blankets statements like "Wow you Dems sure love your Rapest ". Being happy about someone who's done something wrong getting brought down isn't the issue. It's the idea that somehow that translates to how you think govt should operate that is the issue.

If you want to focus on something, notice that nobody is clambering to have Weinstein back in business. But lots of people support Bill O'Reilly and want him back.
Old    "G" (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       Yesterday, 3:40 PM Reply   
I don’t know anything other then this about O’Reily. He didn’t RAPE anyone. They said he sent sexually explicit video (gay porn) to a co worker? And he made sexuall advances on the same co worker. And that he payed out his own pocket 23 million! Back to the this side Vs that side. Trump talked about Pussy Grabbing. And the Media went crazy. Harvey Raped & has a list of 29 Hollywood actresses And I don’t believe it for a second that people like the Clintons or the Obamas didn’t know about Weinstein‘s womanizing. It’s been an open secret for years Courtney love made jokes about him on TV as well as Seth MacFarlane at the Oscars and on several primetime comity shows they addressed Harvey Weinstein and his womanizing.
Old    Darren Yearsley (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       Yesterday, 3:48 PM Reply   
Yes but just because you know someone is a womanizer it doesn't mean you know they are a rapist
Old    Wes (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       Yesterday, 3:55 PM Reply   
He paid $32 million Grant. And I'm sure he agreed to a $32m settlement voluntarily because he didn't do anything wrong. Prolly just had it laying around and said what the hey.
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       Yesterday, 4:03 PM Reply   
If you are defending Bill's sexual harassment that really doesn't say much for you does it Grant? You see anyone here defending Weinstein? Pretty sure that Trump's pussy grabbing is the least of his detractors complaints against him. Although it's pretty notable that Trump supporters voted for him after hearing the recording. Just like O'Reilly's supporters want him on the air after hearing about his sexual harassment allegations and hush money payments.

It isn't the liberals on this forum that are supporting the sexual harassers and angry at their victims. Right now it's pretty much just you.
Old    Wes (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       Yesterday, 4:12 PM Reply   
I've posted on here before about the troubling trend of employer arbitration clauses replacing workers' rights to go to court (in many cases being used to provide religious-oriented arbiters control over proceedings).

Same thing appears to be in place in many cases for sexual harassment related procedures:
https://www.theatlantic.com/business...t-ndas/543252/
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       Yesterday, 5:04 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by denverd1 View Post
When the tax code is written, yes things must be close to balancing. That's the rub with current "tax reform" discussions, where are the cuts going to be "reimbursed" for lack of a better term. The OMB makes that decision. Once the code is written, settlements, deductions, etc never balance and therefore don't affect anyone else's taxes. the gov't just receives more or less than what it estimated.
OK, oh s**t moment for me. I want to apologize to Nacho. I glossed over what he wrote and acted like an a$$. His response was correct. I hope you'll forgive me dude!
Old    "G" (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       Yesterday, 5:22 PM Reply   
John: your supposed to be a smart guy, so I can’t believe your question is a honest one. I see it as you twist peoples post around to say something They are not saying and then ask them to defend it? Sorry nice try. But if you realy are that stupid. “For the record” . Bill Seems like a Jack hole I don’t watch him or give a “F what he has to say, And I agree with Wes, Yes he is/was guilty. That’s why he payed out. $23 or 32 Million. What ever the number is is a HUGE pay out. So I’m pretty confident he did what they say he did. But nice try on the LibrTard (Wes & Fly) circle Jeark. So back to the Orignal topic.
Old    "G" (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       Yesterday, 6:48 PM Reply   
The saying “Casting Couch” is how old? The Fact that women let POS individuals like Harvey take advantage of them [B]IN EXCHANGE[B] for Fame & Fortune, is how longstanding. I don’t think anyone should have to give sexual favors to someone in exchange for a role in a movie especially some beast like Harvey. My point in this whole thread is PEOPLE in Hollywood knew Harvey was doing what he was doing. They allowed it.
This was in 2005
https://youtu.be/g70XbYd0bZ8
This was in 2013
https://youtu.be/KCNvREKTnQc
Old    "G" (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       Yesterday, 7:02 PM Reply   
Check out what Angie Everhart had to say
https://youtu.be/F_LdzuE56Sk

“ anyone who knows Harvey knows he is like that “

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