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Old    Da MOOSE (da_moose)      Join Date: Feb 2004       10-07-2013, 4:39 PM Reply   
WHAT DID I READ THIS RIGHT ,,,YES YOU DID


6 months ago my disability finely was approved ,and I took the Award letter to the Food stamp people ,like I'm sub post to,I did in a timely manner,,,Well the food stamp people made a mistake and gave me $200 of food ,,,By there admitted mistake ...

So today was the Trail by phone with a Judge ,there lawyer,was there on the phone Too,and Me over an hour on the phone with these people ,thay told the Judge thay made a mistake 4 time ,but thay were trying to make me pay $200 for there mistake,,,all the paper work that was done ,a Hour of a Judge's time a lawyer must of spent at least 4 to 5 hours of paper work ,thay sent me over 15 pages,2 days before the trail ,,,That wasn't in a Timely manner,,,the State must of spent atleast $1,500 trying to get $200 for a Mistake thay make ???
Old    Andy Graham (ottog1979)      Join Date: Apr 2007       10-07-2013, 4:53 PM Reply   
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_1...fund-runs-dry/
Old    Andy Graham (ottog1979)      Join Date: Apr 2007       10-07-2013, 5:08 PM Reply   
Moose, just because they made a mistake doesn't mean the money is yours and you can keep it.
Old    MCXSTAR (snork)      Join Date: Jun 2007       10-07-2013, 5:59 PM Reply   
its easier to kick the a mans nuts that are within reach
gotta give innewbs and interns something to grow on
sucks to be us
Old    Da MOOSE (da_moose)      Join Date: Feb 2004       10-07-2013, 7:10 PM Reply   
Andy ,Your Soooo Right ,but thay let you know ,if thay over pay you ,,, You owe
this is a scam to create work from the inside ,,,JUST DO YOUR JOB ,RIGHT THE FRIST TIME
Old    "G" (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       10-07-2013, 8:02 PM Reply   
http://goo.gl/9V3qV
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       10-08-2013, 7:41 AM Reply   
The wise leaders of Orlando rejected a $5K settlement so they could pay $100K in lawyer fees and a $100K award to the plaintiff. Even though it was obvious in advance they would lose.
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       10-08-2013, 7:45 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by ottog1979 View Post
Moose, just because they made a mistake doesn't mean the money is yours and you can keep it.
While I agree with this, I do believe that giving people money that they think is legit by mistake puts a large share of the loss on the agency passing out the money. If we expect people to not spend money they believe is theirs just in case for the future, then why is the govt is giving you part of it's tax revenue for your pension saving?
Old    E.J. (deuce)      Join Date: Mar 2002       10-08-2013, 9:53 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by fly135 View Post
The wise leaders of Orlando rejected a $5K settlement so they could pay $100K in lawyer fees and a $100K award to the plaintiff. Even though it was obvious in advance they would lose.
Not sure this is a good analogy. The Judge, DA ect in Moose's situation are all salary employees. They are going to be paid the same amount if they are dealing with this case or the next one, anything that crosses their desk, they are going to deal with. The State didn't spend any more money dealing with this case, than they would have, not dealing with it. They are not paid per diem. It didn't cost them more money to try to recover the $200.

Of course I am assuming, but I am sure there was some sort of initial, "We overpaid you, please send us back $, which was the overage" inquire. When that overture was declined, they took steps to get it back. I see no problem with that.

People make mistakes in every walk of life, you can't just close your eyes when those mistakes happen and hope the problem goes away. If it is possible to try to correct the mistake, that is the preferable route.
Old    Andy Graham (ottog1979)      Join Date: Apr 2007       10-08-2013, 10:06 AM Reply   
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Of course I am assuming, but I am sure there was some sort of initial, "We overpaid you, please send us back $, which was the overage" inquire. When that overture was declined, they took steps to get it back. I see no problem with that.
My point. Letting something go so long you end up in trial?!
Old    Da MOOSE (da_moose)      Join Date: Feb 2004       10-08-2013, 11:24 AM Reply   
Do your job right the first time ,,, this is Bizzy work ,,,so people have work to do ...
it cost 5x's more to do it twice ,,,I turn in my letter 3-14-13 and thay me june benafits,I probablly should of NOT got ,Apr.and May ,,, all I know is SSI told me when I get the letter ,,,go down to Food Stamps and give it to them ,I DID ,,,now I've Never did this befor ,,,But thay do it 10 ,20 X's aday ,thay should know what to do ,,,,
So it thay mess up ,MORE Work ,,,I won't get layed off ,if I mess up...I just have more work ,,,,LOOK HOW BIZZZZY I AM BOSS
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       10-08-2013, 11:48 AM Reply   
So when they asked for the money back you said no? And forced them to "go to trial" to get their $200 back? Why didn't you just give the accidental payment back?
Old    Paul (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       10-08-2013, 11:52 AM Reply   
^smoked it.
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       10-08-2013, 12:11 PM Reply   
Unless the mistake is obvious I question the logic of trying to get money back from people who lack the ability to repay it. I remember hearing a news report about retired military personnel who after receiving pension benefits for a period of time were told there was a mistake and it would be taken back. If the people receiving the benefit have no way of knowing what it should be.... within reason, then the payee should eat the loss and fix their problems.
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       10-08-2013, 12:21 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by fly135 View Post
Unless the mistake is obvious I question the logic of trying to get money back from people who lack the ability to repay it. I remember hearing a news report about retired military personnel who after receiving pension benefits for a period of time were told there was a mistake and it would be taken back. If the people receiving the benefit have no way of knowing what it should be.... within reason, then the payee should eat the loss and fix their problems.
Agree. At the same time, if da moose went to his favorite medicinal MJ dispensary and was given too much change and the clerk said "oops, I gave you too much change," should da moose be allowed to walk out because he's a deadbeat?

There are a bunch of details we don't know here, like the length of time between the mistake and the recognition of the mistake for one.

While it might not make economic sense to go after moose, the suit itself clearly does not appear to be "frivolous." Moose admits the money was paid to him in error, so the claim itself appears to be valid from what I can understand from moose's incoherent ramblings.
Old    Jon (supersonicmi)      Join Date: Sep 2005       10-08-2013, 12:55 PM Reply   
so basically you owe money and don't want to pay it back... and you are angry that the rightful owner of said money is willing to take you to court to get it back...?
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       10-08-2013, 1:43 PM Reply   
Shawndoggy, just to be clear my opinion is based on the logic that people of minimal means will not have that money to be returned. In your example that isn't the case. The time period between the mistake and the request to return the money is a key consideration.

Jon, they gave him the money and there were no conditions regarding fixing their mistakes. Owe is subjective in this case from a moral standpoint. I assume... They led him to believe that he was to receive that money, he spent it, and then they caused a hardship by asking for it back.

Did you see my point about the govt giving you money to invest in your retirement? Why do they do that?
Old    Jon (supersonicmi)      Join Date: Sep 2005       10-08-2013, 5:41 PM Reply   
from reading the story it sounds like they made a mistake which he was fully aware of and should have been aware of (meaning he knew the value of what he was transacting)... and therefor it is money owed.. this is how the world works.
If you go make a deposit at your bank and they key an extra zero on accident...when they catch that error they will take their money back and if you have already spent it, then you are liable to repay it and they will take justified legal action to retrieve get it.
Do I think it is a good use of time and resources to retrieve the $200? No I don't...but I think they are completely legally justified in doing it. taking advantage of an error is legally similar to a loan in the fact that you now owe them.
John - I do agree with your point about it not being worth it to try to collect on people who cant pay and in principal maybe they should eat the error, however legally that is not how it works necessarily... when doing a transaction or receiving money/benefits you are expected to know what you are receiving.
Old    Da MOOSE (da_moose)      Join Date: Feb 2004       10-08-2013, 6:50 PM Reply   
Fly135 has it Right ,,, when you start the Food stamps ,thay tell you ,if thay over pay you ,you have to Pay it back ,,,
when I got the SSI ,i didn't know you lose your Food... nobody said ,You're going to lose your Food...
Then one month i got nothing ,call and thay said ,You have SSI ,NOW
So a month later I got a call saying I owed $200 ,we made a mistake.
If this mistake happens more than once ,that Too Much OR is the mistake Make to make more work from the inside

I woun't find out the verdict of a week or 2 ,,,,Yes I should LOSE ,,,But the Judge keep Questing ,How this happen???
Old    andy zarlengo (colorider)      Join Date: Jun 2001       10-08-2013, 8:42 PM Reply   
You have got to be kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Govt. wastes money.? What the heck.
Old    Ian Brown (wakereviews)      Join Date: Sep 2006       10-09-2013, 7:01 AM Reply   
The Non-Wakeboarding section has been so awesome lately. Thanks Moose!
Old    Da MOOSE (da_moose)      Join Date: Feb 2004       10-09-2013, 7:17 AM Reply   
Thanks ,You know Me ,,,Just trying to make people LOL
,,,But if this happen just ,1% of the time ,think how much $$$ being wasted

I did every thing in a timly maner,,,I know it was just $200 ,,,NOW if it was $1,200 ,,,and I DID SOME THING WRONG ,,,COME AFTER ME ...
But ,thay said 4 X's thay made amistake ,,,You eat it and Hope your boss don't catch it the mistake.
Old    Hate N Pain (hatepain)      Join Date: Aug 2006       10-09-2013, 7:48 AM Reply   
So moose, did you or did you not know that they were making a mistake when it was happening?
Old    MCXSTAR (snork)      Join Date: Jun 2007       10-09-2013, 7:52 AM Reply   
Take the $200 and invest in an English Writing course at a Junior College
Old    Jon (supersonicmi)      Join Date: Sep 2005       10-09-2013, 8:50 AM Reply   
It's a huge waste of money to come after $200 but then again it is the gov't... that's what we have come to expect from them... our tax dollars hard at work!
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       10-09-2013, 10:00 AM Reply   
This could be more of a zero tolerance / give a mouse a cookie approach.

Walmart won't ever settle a slip and fall claim on a nuisance basis, and will spend 4x as much on attorneys fees to not settle. Why? Because they want the word to be out that nobody is going to get a dime from Walmart.

Why won't the government ever negotiate with terrorists?
Old    Supreme Device (rullery)      Join Date: Jul 2012       10-09-2013, 10:07 AM Reply   
What surprises me is how you guys can even understand the incoherent babble this clown is spewing. Reading these posts hurts my head!
Old    Newty (newty)      Join Date: May 2005       10-09-2013, 12:49 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by rullery View Post
What surprises me is how you guys can even understand the incoherent babble this clown is spewing. Reading these posts hurts my head!
Kind of funny at first, then yeah... headache starts.
Old    Jason (Hooya)      Join Date: Aug 2011       10-09-2013, 1:35 PM Reply   
In the UK pretty much any payment to you from the Gov or to them is your responsibility. So it is up to you to make sure it is correct if it is not you should inform them and get it corrected.

A great example of this is when they provided me via my employer with an incorrect tax code as they missed off some benefits for 3+ years in a row. This resulted in an under payment of £8000 roughly plus a late payment + interest charges of nearly £3000. It took me over 3 years and dozens of letters to get the interest removed. In theory I should have noticed the tax code was incorrect even though they are the ones who provide you with it under PAYE.

But the £8k was owed and so was paid. Simple. It is the only way. Govs are dealing with £bn's of transactions a year they simply cannot be liable for mistakes.

Last edited by Hooya; 10-09-2013 at 1:36 PM. Reason: Posted too soon.

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