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Old    Swatguy (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-15-2013, 12:48 AM Reply   
So tons of threads about best wake, biggest wake and optimal loading of all boats.

With 8&6ye old daughters now starting to ride consistently and being almost time for them to start jumping, what boat puts out a clean, low speed, no ballast wake for the shorties, but still satisfies your intermediate/advanced riders when weighted? Decent goofy side surf wake would be bonus .

My original star is wash to about 20.5-21

Last edited by xstarrider; 07-15-2013 at 12:51 AM.
Old    Darren Yearsley (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-15-2013, 2:07 AM Reply   
The vlx is very good at low speed with small ballast
Old    DBC (ixfe)      Join Date: Aug 2008       07-15-2013, 2:49 AM Reply   
The VLX rules at slow speed wake. Here's ours at 18mph, no ballast, no wedge, 5 people in boat. I can easily go down to 17mph.

Pretty much any Malibu or Axis will be good at the low speed wake.

Old    Rance Taylor (DatTexasBoy)      Join Date: Aug 2012       07-15-2013, 4:06 AM Reply   
Axis will do just as well at low speeds. A20&A22
Old    Jay (ironj32)      Join Date: Jan 2007       07-15-2013, 5:05 AM Reply   
G23 is clean down to about 17.
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       07-15-2013, 5:06 AM Reply   
Rzr/r20 wake is good at about 17 unweighted with good goofy wake, don't think the other tiges will put out a low speed wake. the g series is great, mcx25 (avoid 2010 models) x star x15.... The list goes on

Last edited by simplej; 07-15-2013 at 5:15 AM.
Old    TN22            07-15-2013, 6:45 AM Reply   
The Supra SA is clean at 17
Old    Kronos (kronoss)      Join Date: Oct 2010       07-15-2013, 7:05 AM Reply   
I would say Malibu 23 has the cleanest wake at slow speeds.
Old    Joe Knochel (ridemarktwain)      Join Date: Aug 2008       07-15-2013, 7:25 AM Reply   
My unwieghted Tige 22V creates a clean wake at 17-18mph (unwieghted). Sometimes I can get it to clean up at 16mph. I pull a lot of youngsters and most of them ride around 16-17 mph.
Old    Diggs (pdxWAKE) (tyler97217)      Join Date: Aug 2004       07-15-2013, 7:44 AM Reply   
The new Supra SA and SC will clean up at 17 like said above. Many of the other Supra models from previous years will not.
Old    Goride (goride)      Join Date: Mar 2007       07-15-2013, 8:01 AM Reply   
sanger 215 is the cleanest I've seen at low speeds

B52 is the worst (older style)

MC X-30 was decent

I've heard malibu's are very nice.
Old    L W (501s)      Join Date: Feb 2010       07-15-2013, 8:10 AM Reply   
I have a new X-30 and I am getting my 2 kids into boarding (aged 5 and 7). The wake can be clean down to 17, and that's even with some additional lead. I feel it is a great wake for kids to learn on because its mellow but can get pretty big when weighted with 3k (see pics).
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Old    rzap (zap)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-15-2013, 8:39 AM Reply   
No rear ballast and lots of weight in the bow is key on our Enzo, we can get down to about 15-16 mph this way for my 8 yr old. The only problem it the wide beam of the Enzo makes for a wide wake. I would think this holds true for all hulls (bow weight vs stern weight). I really want to try some trim tab extensions, I think they would work well in this application.
Old    JR Smith (wakintime)      Join Date: Jul 2011       07-15-2013, 1:04 PM Reply   
The supra SA cleans up really good at 16 or 17mph.
Old    Johnny (johnny_defacto)      Join Date: Sep 2006       07-15-2013, 2:34 PM Reply   
Malibu / Axis will be your best bet, imo. The wake is clean at slow speed, not side to side sensitive, and the wake is mellow. Some other boats may be clean at similar speeds but may also be a steeper wake. Also, throw 3k+ in any malibu or Axis and you have a huge wake.

Like mentioned above, with no ballast except some in the bow, you can flatten and clean up your wake at slower speeds at the same time.
Old    Delta Force (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       07-15-2013, 3:05 PM Reply   
You can't run bow ballast in that old X and get it clean at 18?
Old    Art (rallyart)      Join Date: Nov 2006       07-15-2013, 4:15 PM Reply   
This is my Sanger D215 with front ballast full and Bennett plate all the way down at 14 mph. My son is just 8 in this photo. His sisters are in the bow and Mom took the picture from the observers seat.
Picture is from 2007. Falls don't hurt as much when they are slow. The FAE leaves the bubble trail down the centre.
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Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       07-15-2013, 5:51 PM Reply   
wow! I think we have a winner.
Old    Swatguy (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-15-2013, 5:55 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by wakebordr11 View Post
You can't run bow ballast in that old X and get it clean at 18?
Unfortunately not I have tried full ibs( it's on top of my cushions so I get its capacity) with full KGB. Just KGB , just ibs get tons wash. But once I hit the magic 20mph we all know it will stay clean as can be with whatever weight you throw in it .


Thanks for the input so far. I was figuring bu would be a top contender. The wakes are always smooth n rampy
Old    Preston (Bamabonners)      Join Date: Jul 2011       07-15-2013, 9:09 PM Reply   
X2 has a clean wake at low speeds. We usually have kids and beginners on our boat and that was something we definitely looked for.

Our previous Malibus also had clean low speed wakes.
Old    Delta Force (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       07-16-2013, 5:54 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by xstarrider View Post
Unfortunately not I have tried full ibs( it's on top of my cushions so I get its capacity) with full KGB. Just KGB , just ibs get tons wash. But once I hit the magic 20mph we all know it will stay clean as can be with whatever weight you throw in it .


Thanks for the input so far. I was figuring bu would be a top contender. The wakes are always smooth n rampy
What about unweighted? I just find it tough to believe a ski hull can't make a clean wake at trick ski speeds... I know its a Vdrive, but still...
Old    Swatguy (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       07-16-2013, 8:40 AM Reply   
Yup tried all the variables. The problem with nothing is that the nose rides so high around 17-19 it won't hop on plane. This is with 2 adults and two kids in boat just for reference.





That 215 wake looks great as does that little ripper awesome.

Last edited by xstarrider; 07-16-2013 at 8:44 AM.
Old    Chris Dirty (Dmac420sj)      Join Date: Mar 2012       07-16-2013, 12:16 PM Reply   
The addictor!
Old     (saberworks)      Join Date: Sep 2010       07-16-2013, 9:40 PM Reply   
I was just out this afternoon and remembered this thread. My 04 Sanger V210 was clean at 15.5 according to my stargazer.
Old    Chris Brandt (squeezer)      Join Date: Jul 2010       07-16-2013, 9:54 PM Reply   
V215 with no ballast and 3 people in the boat is clean at 14...
Old    Ed (elc)      Join Date: Jan 2008       07-16-2013, 10:14 PM Reply   
I thought i had a better pic of the wake with my son riding... he just turned 5 to give you an idea of how mellow the wake is. this is an axis at 15 mph with a little weight in the front and three peeps in the boat - it cleans up easily and is not sensitive side to side. Rope is about 70'.
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Last edited by elc; 07-16-2013 at 10:18 PM.

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