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Old    "G" (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       06-18-2015, 11:14 AM Reply   
Ok I just watched his 45+ min You Tube video and one thing is for sure. He is no silver Tounged OBAMA. But I do like his message and what he has to say. BUT the way he says things will be his biggest opponent. Not sure if he can ever over come that obstacle. I don't mind the straight talk but I'm sure the Majority of America will find the truth offensive and instead opt for a candidate that will tell us what sounds good. Things like "yes we can" and "change" tell me how has that worked out?

I do like the fact that he knows how to get things done and I do believe he could bring more jobs back to the the U.S. Then ANYONE on either side of the isle. He is NO politician by any means and mabey that's exactly what this country needs.

One thing is for sure I feel sorry for the next person that's President the bubble that we are currently living under is sure to pop by the time we have a new president.
Old    Joel McMath (King12)      Join Date: Jul 2012       06-18-2015, 11:23 AM Reply   
Trump to me is the idol of the opposite of a blue collar hard working man. Repeated bankruptcy and bailouts don't impress me. I'll agree he played our country like a fiddle so there's that. I'd rather someone that actually cared about the people of America and someone that has gotten their hands dirty and smelled like **** from sweat lead our country into the future.
Old    Dave (bcrider)      Join Date: Apr 2006       06-18-2015, 11:24 AM Reply   
I think your first paragraph sums it up. Nobody ever wants to hear the truth. Politicians for the most part only say and do what they need to get in and once they are they just try and stay there for as long as possible to collect the $ and the long term benefits.....again $. Being a straight talker will get him in trouble at some point by offending people who probably need to be offended or called out in the first place. There is too much wishy washy BS that happens today. It's damn near political suicide to make the comments and cuts to certain programs/benefits that do need to be cut. The have nots and the bleeding hearts that stick up for them have more of a say now.
Old    Ifishok™ (ifishok)      Join Date: Mar 2002       06-18-2015, 11:52 AM Reply   
Ross Perot had the ears, Trump has the the hair, both are a joke.
Old    Daniel (cowwboy)      Join Date: Jul 2008       06-18-2015, 12:19 PM Reply   
I would support him over any of the sack of ****, sweet talking politicians.
We need a government who isn't already on someones payroll before they take office.
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       06-18-2015, 12:20 PM Reply   
I love politics. It's such a freak show.
Old    "G" (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       06-18-2015, 12:31 PM Reply   
^^^ I agree ^^^ both sides of the aisle have their freaks .


What do you think America's most pressing items are
Old    "G" (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       06-18-2015, 12:34 PM Reply   
I would say
1. Deficit
2. Jobs
3. Middle East
4. China
5. Immigration

Last edited by grant_west; 06-18-2015 at 12:36 PM.
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       06-18-2015, 12:41 PM Reply   
"What do you think America's most pressing items are"

1) Exporting our economy to other countries and killing decent job opportunities for Americans.
2) The mentality that it's our job to fix the ME.
3) Partisan fake 24/7 news outlets making tools out of the public.
4) Excessive manipulation of public policy with tax code.
5) Hyperinflated healthcare costs.
Old    Paul (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       06-18-2015, 1:08 PM Reply   
Nice list John!
Old    Darren Yearsley (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       06-18-2015, 1:16 PM Reply   
IMO America's most pressing issues:
Lack of compassion for fellow citizens
Poor custodian of the environment
Social media addiction.

This isn't a dig at the USA so much, all western society has these issues.

Trump is an embarrassment, surely there is someone better for President
Old    Eric (DenverRider)      Join Date: Feb 2013       06-18-2015, 1:49 PM Reply   
It would be nice if we could get someone who wasn't immediately going to sell his soul for a dollar, selling out the average American with it. Trump's history of greed ensures that he isn't that guy. Telling you straight that you will have to work harder than anyone has ever worked in order to obtain half of what the previous generation was able to may be a truth that isn't popular. I'd rather see someone that was instead offering potential solutions to the problem as opposed to someone who doesn't share the problem (because he is part of the problem) telling me to just suck it up and rub some dirt on it.
Old    Justin Harrelson (skiboarder)      Join Date: Oct 2006       06-18-2015, 2:00 PM Reply   
1.) Term limits
2.) Campaign finance reform

I think if there was a way to fix these, most problems would get solved over time. You can't have lifer politicians that are allowed to insider trade and only elect presidents with a 1 Billion dollar war chest.
Old    "G" (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       06-18-2015, 3:02 PM Reply   
Do you guys think other country's like China Japan and Mexico, are taking advantage of the US?

Is our current trade practice with these country's fair and even?

If not what candidate do you think would or could negotiate the best deal for the US?
Old    Darren Yearsley (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       06-18-2015, 7:05 PM Reply   
Terms of trade etc are just the deck chairs on the titanic, the reality is that the political system is so broken that nothing will get better until this is changed. House of Cards has convinced me of this, ha ha.
Old    Eric Scott (phillywakeboarder)      Join Date: Sep 2008       06-18-2015, 7:43 PM Reply   
Global warming, followed closely by ballast bans.
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       06-18-2015, 9:40 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by grant_west View Post
Do you guys think other country's like China Japan and Mexico, are taking advantage of the US?

Is our current trade practice with these country's fair and even?

If not what candidate do you think would or could negotiate the best deal for the US?
As our current congress proves it doesn't matter at all what kind of trade deal the pres can negotiate, they will block.

Term limits -- we already have a two term limit on pres?

Deficit? Who cares. I'm worried about the national debt.

Johns list is a good one. The thing I would add is an energy policy that reduces our dependence on foreign energy sources. It's a national security issue.
Old    Jason Buffalow (buffalow)      Join Date: Apr 2002       06-19-2015, 1:29 PM Reply   
One to help economy - How about 1 year do not tax businesses - Encourage us (especially in California) to spend more on equipment and people. Find ways to keep small/medium businesses here but incentivizing.
Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       06-19-2015, 1:43 PM Reply   
#1 issue affecting our country is campaign contributions! Every single politician is being bought by someone and then given enough money to sell themselves to the American people who are then led to whatever trough it is that the politician's want to lead us to. If it continues at the current rate, our govt will be more corrupt than Mexico's is.
Old    Big D (bigdtx)      Join Date: Feb 2005       06-20-2015, 9:34 AM Reply   
Grant, You're Fired!
Old    Wes (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       07-11-2015, 12:28 AM Reply   
As a growing CA small biz I'm with Buffalow.

Also, http://boingboing.net/2015/07/09/don...ampaign=buffer

Haha
Old    Kevin Kimball (Kjkimball)      Join Date: Mar 2011       07-11-2015, 6:56 AM Reply   
The idea of trying to create jobs here and or keep them here has a vital prerequisite. That being the need to have everyone in the country be willing to work. Not just willing to have a job and collect a paycheck or worse, collect a check for not working. During the great depression and through the WWII era, there was a desire in the US population to DO something not GET something for nothing. I have a small business and the employees that are older than me want to work, love to contribute and are appreciative. Those my age and younger are lax and expect more for doing less. With each generation, the pride of good workmanship becomes more rare in the citizens of this country. The weakness comes from the people up not from the president down.
Old    Nacho (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       07-16-2015, 7:53 AM Reply   
Buffalow, section 179 is in ways and means committee to be made permanent instead of last minute extension like last year. 2015 limit is 25000 down from 500K since 2010. Should help businesses quite a bit

Kimball, you make a good point. When part of the population is depending on gov't handouts, then they're going to vote accordingly. Whoever promises the most free stuff will garner a larger % of the vote.
Old    Chase Tillett (tn_rider)      Join Date: Dec 2009       07-17-2015, 8:14 AM Reply   
IMO a start to fixing the country is this...put a length of term ANYONE in congress can have. Two years and done.
Old    Joel McMath (King12)      Join Date: Jul 2012       07-17-2015, 8:58 AM Reply   
I would say with how little gets done 2 years is a little short but agree on the length. Maybe 4 and then like 8 years later or something you can do another 2 years. Get them out of congress and back into the real world.. Then maybe have a chance to do it again
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       07-17-2015, 9:24 AM Reply   
Isn't putting a 2 year limit subverting the will of the voter? Remember... the idiots are voted in by their constituents. What's the point of making sure that your representatives can never stay in office long enough to acquire any job related skills? The real solution is to actually look at what they are doing in office and voting them out if they are bad.
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       07-17-2015, 9:57 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by tn_rider View Post
IMO a start to fixing the country is this...put a length of term ANYONE in congress can have. Two years and done.
We should actually start this for all jobs. Doctors! Judges! Mechanics! Cooks! And for the love of god and country, ice cream men (persons?).

Nobody should be able to have a job for life.
Old    Joel McMath (King12)      Join Date: Jul 2012       07-17-2015, 10:52 AM Reply   
I think the point is that those positions aren't supposed to be careers
Old    Joel McMath (King12)      Join Date: Jul 2012       07-17-2015, 11:29 AM Reply   
Those as in political office not as in your examples
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       07-17-2015, 11:53 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by King12 View Post
Those as in political office not as in your examples
If it's a job anyone can do and experience and skill acquired on the job are negatives, why don't we just hold a lottery and randomly draft average joes to do it? It would be a civic duty like jury duty, just you get paid a living wage and must serve two years.
Old    Joel McMath (King12)      Join Date: Jul 2012       07-17-2015, 11:56 AM Reply   
I don't think it's a job anyone can do at all, not what I was saying. More just saying we get people that settle in and get nice and crooked and don't actually represent the people as they are supposed to. I also don't think a jury duty system would represent the people at all either, instead it would be power hungry randos that get a ton of power all of a sudden and aren't educated in anything they make decisions about.
I just don't think your career should be a single job "politician"

Maybe do 4 years and then go back to a various other job, maybe your experience is in farming.. So go into he Ag department, maybe commissioner of Ag, Or you are good at management, maybe run for city Mayer, or go back to your law firm. You can work in like a billion other government positions without staying a senator for 35 years

Last edited by King12; 07-17-2015 at 12:00 PM.
Old    Rich (digg311)      Join Date: Sep 2007       07-17-2015, 12:07 PM Reply   
Term limits are absolutely appropriate for any political office. Yes, the vote is designed to be the checkpoint that keeps the office on its toes... but it simply doesn't work. The vast majority of people don't care enough to really research all of the offices on their ballot. They usually vote for a familiar name or simply for their party of choice.

I think we need a system where people can "rate" their representatives at the end of their term and designate the amount of additional compensation they'd be eligible to receive at that time. Do a good job for your constituents? You get paid for the next 4 years and then you're able to run again. Do a bad job? You're out... no money and you can't run again for 12 years.

Oh, and while you're running? You can't exceed a certain amount of corporate dollars. If more than say, 20% of your campaign contributions don't come from directly from the people, you forfeit your potential payout after your term and limit yourself to 4 years by default.
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       07-17-2015, 12:16 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by digg311 View Post
Term limits are absolutely appropriate for any political office. Yes, the vote is designed to be the checkpoint that keeps the office on its toes... but it simply doesn't work. The vast majority of people don't care enough to really research all of the offices on their ballot. They usually vote for a familiar name or simply for their party of choice.

I think we need a system where people can "rate" their representatives at the end of their term.
Isn't this called "voting?"

If people are too lazy to choose between two candidates how in the world are they going to get informed enough to give a performance evaluation?

If you think about it, all term limits do is get us a series of inexperienced newbs who constantly grovel to the same donors. Should we also have term limits for campaign donors? Soros, Koch Bros and Sheldon Adleson get benched for a decade?
Old    Rich (digg311)      Join Date: Sep 2007       07-17-2015, 1:21 PM Reply   
The idea would be to incentivize not only the politicians... but the voters themselves. Get them involved. I agree that it isn't a perfect idea... I'm just spitballing.

We shouldn't have "term limits" for corporate donors. We shouldn't allow them at all. Maybe if people weren't raising Millions from manipulative folks like the Koch's, they wouldn't have the ability to saturate the airwaves with their name and images... burying their "competition" and ensuring the lazy voter base moves the way they want them to.
Old    Nacho (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       07-18-2015, 3:23 PM Reply   
Oh boy. Trump just called out McCain saying he's not a war hero. He steps in it every time he opens his mouth!
Old    Wes (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       07-20-2015, 5:55 AM Reply   
What an a$$hat

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...isoner-of-war/
Old    Joel McMath (King12)      Join Date: Jul 2012       07-20-2015, 9:13 AM Reply   
That ones gonna burn long time
Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       07-20-2015, 1:55 PM Reply   
Well...Trump kind of has a point but sometimes you just need to keep things to yourself. McCain wouldn't be a war hero if he was following orders as I recall. Didn't he disobey orders and go off and that's how he got captured (unintentionally)?
Old    Joel McMath (King12)      Join Date: Jul 2012       07-20-2015, 4:23 PM Reply   
No, he just screwed up and was flying too low and got hit by the anti aircraft fire while trying to bomb a power plant. Mind you after he pleaded to be allowed to fly on the mission.
He messed up, he got shot down, and he got tortured. He was however there, and wanted to be on the mission, he asked to go into the line of fire and then suffered tremendously afterwords.
Was he a good pilot? Seems not.
Did he screw up? Ya
But
"McCain is not a war hero"
"Perhaps he is a war hero"
"if a person is captured, he is a hero as far as I'm concerned"

Come on. If you are gonna play the I tell it like I feel and don't mind being brash card... Then have some backbone and put your foot in your mouth and keep it there. None of this wishy washy bull****.

Not to mention McCain actually was there... And asked to risk his life.

"I like people that weren't captured"
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       07-20-2015, 6:23 PM Reply   
Even though all vets have been exposed to danger in defense of our country, the ones that "took the bullet" are bestowed with additional honor because of their sacrifice. Being a politician and a vet are two distinctly different things. Just because someone may not be a good politician, it doesn't mean that their military service should be diminished. Conversely just because someone is an honored war hero, it doesn't mean you have to want them as a leader. And I definitely don't think that a trash talking cartoonish combover is a suitable leader either.
Old    Nacho (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       07-21-2015, 8:12 AM Reply   
no, i'd much rather have a pathological liar who favors Islamic nations running things. Hey at least his hairdo is better
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       07-21-2015, 8:19 AM Reply   
Old    Nacho (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       07-21-2015, 12:26 PM Reply   
well John, muslims play basketball. what say you to that??? (where's that red triangle...???)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...wYU_story.html
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       07-21-2015, 12:45 PM Reply   
I say that this is the first time I've really been anticipating the Republican primary debates. Should be a hoot.
Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       07-21-2015, 7:03 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by fly135 View Post
I say that this is the first time I've really been anticipating the Republican primary debates. Should be a hoot.
16 candidates now...who will they invite? They can't have them all, that would be a 3 day debate and nothing would get accomplished.
Old    Joel McMath (King12)      Join Date: Jul 2012       07-21-2015, 7:42 PM Reply   
Sounds good to me
Old    Wes (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       07-22-2015, 12:05 AM Reply   
haha this guy's on fire

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/politi...am-cell-phone/
Old    Big D (bigdtx)      Join Date: Feb 2005       07-22-2015, 6:55 AM Reply   
^^^ LOL - look at the people on the stage behind him. Looks like they took the tour bus by the old folks home first and then stopped by Luby's around 4:00pm to fill out the rest.
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       07-22-2015, 7:42 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by timmyb View Post
16 candidates now...who will they invite? They can't have them all, that would be a 3 day debate and nothing would get accomplished.
If they don't invite Trump I will be really disappointed.
Old    Rich (digg311)      Join Date: Sep 2007       07-22-2015, 12:44 PM Reply   
Here are a couple quotes from the past. I'll let you guys guess who said them:

On President Obama -
"I would hire him. He’s handled the tremendous mess he walked into very well. He still has a daunting task ahead of him but he appears to be equal to the challenge. He has kept his eye on both national and international issues and his visits to foreign countries have shown him to be warmly received, which is certainly a change from the last Administration. I believe he should pay more attention to OPEC and what’s going on there, but overall I believe he’s done a very good job."

On the economy in general -
"I’ve been around for a long time. And it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. Now, it shouldn’t be that way. But if you go back, I mean it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats. We’ve had some pretty bad disaster[s]” when Republicans were president — “Including a thing called the Depression.”

On Taxes -
“I would tax people of wealth — of great wealth, people over $10 million — by 14.25%.”

Note: This person was not talking about taxing income – he wanted to literally re-distribute 14.25% of all the wealth held by people with over $10 million, a tax hike of roughly $5.7 trillion. (For perspective, left-wing French economist Thomas Pikkety outraged conservatives worldwide in 2014 by proposing a global wealth tax of 2%.)

On legalization -
"You have to legalize drugs to win that war. You have to take the profit away from these drug czars.”

On Healthcare -
“If you can’t take care of your sick in the country, forget it, it’s all over. . .So I’m very liberal when it comes to health care. . .I believe in universal health care. I believe in whatever it takes to make people well and better. I think it is. . .an entitlement to this country, and too bad the world can’t be, you know, in this country. But the fact is, it’s an entitlement to this country if we’re going to have a great country.”

On immigration -
"You have to give them [illegal aliens] a path...You have to give them a path, and you have to make it possible for them to succeed. You have to do that.”

This mystery person, it should also be noted, donated to Hillary Clinton campaigns in 2002, 2005, 2006 and 2007, as well as donating a six-digit sum to the Clinton Foundation.
Old    Nacho (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       07-22-2015, 1:00 PM Reply   
Trump
Old    Big D (bigdtx)      Join Date: Feb 2005       07-22-2015, 1:11 PM Reply   
LOL - I remember one of his many ex-wives - Marla Maples I believe - who's claim to fame was being a ti**y model - said "his drug is attention". Looks like she was right.
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       07-26-2015, 8:32 PM Reply   
Trump is a fascinating candidate for a multitude of reasons. The biggest of which is the fact that he does not require any special Interest groups to help him run and therefore owes them nothing should he win, unlike, well, the entire rest of the field.

He's political in that he's worked on the other side of the coin and pandered to politicians to advance his business interests, so he's not exactly completely new to the game.

It is a shame he lacks tact, but that's also part of schtick. The veterans thing was appalling, but if you really break down what he was trying to say, is that if you're considered a war hero JUST because you were captured, it's not fair to everyone else who served and was not given a label as a hero. At least that was my trump BS-o-meter was telling me. He was partially lumping McCain into that as a back hand to calling his followers crazies. But he has no tact or fear so it comes out completely appalling and scummy as a return insult. Media doesn't help, either that's for sure.


If I can't have rand, I want trump.


Now the Lindsey Graham stuff, funny as hell right there...
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       07-27-2015, 10:57 AM Reply   
I like that the GOP has a voice that is NOT evangelical. Clearly there's a big segment of motivated non-evangelical GOP voters out there who are tuning in to Trump's message.

Now personally I wish it were a "thinking man's" message (fiscally conservative, socially liberal/libertarian) rather than the xenophobia trump seems to be selling. But that's a general election message, not something that gets you through the GOP's wacko primaries.
Old    Nacho (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       08-10-2015, 9:52 AM Reply   
Post debate polls show Trump leading if elections were held today. 23% of GOP vote. Havent heard any sound bites though
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       08-10-2015, 10:11 AM Reply   
Have to think trump's negatives are as high as or higher than Hillary's. Pretty sure trump is going to implode before primary season, but his threat to run as an indy could be a trainwreck. Could play the Nader/Perot foil to turn the election on its head.

As a dem myself, I find the current dem candidate pool to be extremely weak. Sanders is as unelectable as Santorum, and the country has mucho Hillary fatigue. Who are the other dems running? LOL. A Trump candidacy is seriously the only thing that I see keeping dems viable in the general. He is so polarizing and seemingly willing to talk out his rear end without even being goaded into it. For every Joe the Plumber that he inspires, he turns of a female or minority voter. Don't really see him coming back to the center for the general.
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       08-10-2015, 11:43 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by simplej View Post
Trump is a fascinating candidate for a multitude of reasons. The biggest of which is the fact that he does not require any special Interest groups to help him run and therefore owes them nothing should he win, unlike, well, the entire rest of the field.
Trump pretty much came out and said his sense of values is nothing more than "playing by the rules". IOW as long as he can get away with it, then it's legit. Who needs to worry about special interest groups when your man comes right out and says he'll do whatever he wants if nothing stands in his way? Making the assumption that Trump won't find any "special interests" makes little sense when he has expressed no reservations about doing whatever he wants to whoever he wants if it suits his agenda.
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       08-10-2015, 1:09 PM Reply   
Special interest groups meaning the Koch Brothers, NRA, et al. His special interests are not bought, they're his own opinions. He doesn't need to pander for money and can speak freely without worrying about his funding drying up.

The face of the Democratic Party is Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, both of whom bend the rules and you're gonna complain about trump's "good" business practices (ie. bankruptcy) and purchase of politicians. And let's not talk about "getting away with it" when it comes to the Clintons...

I'm not saying he has a strong moral compass, but if the barometer is either political party and/or those gaming our public assistance programs that continually put dem's in office, he looks pretty appealing.

I don't care about Political Correctness, or Even Morality: you just need to do an effective job running the country and upholding the constitution.

I'm not saying that trump is the right man for the job per se but he's certainly started some wildfires and raised some eyebrows about politics as a whole.

Last edited by simplej; 08-10-2015 at 1:13 PM.
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       08-10-2015, 1:52 PM Reply   
Trump is basically the american Putin. He can mug it up for the cameras and say some semi offensive things and a segment of the electorate loves that.

Whether or not he can be an effective politician remains to be seen.
Old    Terry Redfearn (TerryR)      Join Date: Aug 2010       08-10-2015, 4:10 PM Reply   
I don't see the big attraction for trump but poll shows that it's there. He doesn't seem to offend Hispanics over his immigration stance. I see him and his "I don't need their money I'm independent" as the same rhetoric as Obama's "hope and change". Considering his point of view has changed so much over the years you would be getting an unknown just like we did with Barack.
But, even with his close association with the Clintons and the Democratic Party, he still seen as a Republican conservative Who is not an establishment Republican.
Old    Wes (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       08-10-2015, 7:57 PM Reply   
http://www.theonion.com/graphic/how-...al-women-51055
Old    Brett W (brettw)      Join Date: Jul 2007       08-11-2015, 10:45 AM Reply   
I can't believe people are falling for this guy's bull****. I keep catching parts of interviews and the guy has no real solutions. He doesn't offer specifics on anything from what I've seen so far. I just saw a reply of his on the Iran deal. He just says he'd double sanctions (although none of our allies are with us on this). Then he would get the prisoners back and then would have gotten a better deal. Simple - right? The dude is in fantasy land. I just don't get how ppl are going for this clown.
Old    Terry Redfearn (TerryR)      Join Date: Aug 2010       08-11-2015, 11:57 AM Reply   
I wondered how long it would go before it got ugly and unproductive.
Wes, what's the average age of the Dem party candidates? I guess 60. Should they apologize to young people?
Old    Wes (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       08-11-2015, 11:59 AM Reply   
Terry, are you familiar with The Onion? :-)
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       08-11-2015, 12:10 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by TerryR View Post
I wondered how long it would go before it got ugly and unproductive.
C'mon man we are talking about Trump, right? One man's "ugly" is another man's "politically incorrect."

Trump is on record with “I think the big problem this country has is being politically correct,” in defense of calling women fat pigs (no wait, only Rosie O"Donnell) and all illegal immigrants murders and rapists.

So if you can't take ugly and unproductive, you'd better get off that Trump Train now!
Old    Wes (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       08-11-2015, 12:11 PM Reply   
Here's one for you Terry http://www.theonion.com/r/38414
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       08-11-2015, 12:48 PM Reply   
This one is awesome!

Who said it... Trump or Mr. Krabs?
http://www.mtv.com/news/2236934/dona...mr-krabs-quiz/
Old    Wes (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       08-13-2015, 12:52 PM Reply   
lulz
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Old    Wes (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       08-23-2015, 2:38 AM Reply   
Old    "G" (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       08-23-2015, 11:45 AM Reply   
Trump keeps saying all the right things, I admit sometimes not in the best way.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-t...y-with-murder/


I can't figure out if his crazy way of saying things is a tactic. He is getting and has gotten so much free Press from new outlets like CBS. Everyday he is making headlines because of what he said and how he said it meanwhile you hardly hear a peep from the 15 other candidates. He is defiantly unconventional.
Old    Big D (bigdtx)      Join Date: Feb 2005       08-23-2015, 12:13 PM Reply   
Trump / Deez Nuts 2016! YES!!!
Old    Cliff (ord27)      Join Date: Oct 2005       08-23-2015, 12:40 PM Reply   
......Trump pretty much came out and said his sense of values is nothing more than "playing by the rules". IOW as long as he can get away with it, then it's legit. Who needs to worry about special interest groups when your man comes right out and says he'll do whatever he wants if nothing stands in his way? Making the assumption that Trump won't find any "special interests" makes little sense when he has expressed no reservations about doing whatever he wants to whoever he wants if it suits his agenda.......


sounds a lot like what the wacko from the left does......Harry Reid.....and he's praised as the left's hero
Old    "G" (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       08-23-2015, 2:05 PM Reply   
I wouldn't be too worried about having a president that does whatever he wants that's IMO that's pretty much what we have now and people don't seem to mind. I do think to make this country great once again we need someone that is a non-conformance and has a way of not doing things the status quo. The last thing we need is more political positioning we need to get stuff done.
Old    "G" (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       08-25-2015, 7:46 PM Reply   
Trump tells Hispanic reporter" Go back to Univision "
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-t...-to-univision/

I love this guy
Old    Boarder85 (fouroheight68)      Join Date: May 2006       08-26-2015, 7:44 AM Reply   
So if he was president would it be OK for him to boot out any reporter who asks questions he doesnt like? I understand Trump is popular because he "speaks his mind", but so does the crazy homeless guy on the corner. That doesn't mean he should be president. It's called tact. It's OK when he is on TV acting like the Kardashians, but the president represents our country and potentially has our lives in his/her hands. Trump is amusing from a reality TV standpoint, but I question anyone's right to vote who thinks he should be president.
Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       08-26-2015, 9:01 AM Reply   
Discuss
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Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       08-26-2015, 9:09 AM Reply   
So it's okay for a "reporter" to heckle him? Did you even watch the video?


I hope social security dies. I don't need the government to save my pennies for me. I can do a better job.
Old    Ally (alcarlaw1)      Join Date: Jun 2007       08-26-2015, 9:19 AM Reply   
Is anybody in the US actually getting worried that Trump's ratings are so high. He has zero political experience, he is a bigot and xenophobic amongst other things, yet a high percentage of the public this this is ok? In the bigger picture, the damage that he would do to Americas international standing would be unimaginable.
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       08-26-2015, 9:25 AM Reply   
Yes because what the country needs is another career politician to make minor changes in policy and have very little effect on the direction the country is headed.

Who cares who the rest of the world views "us"? They already hate us. Putin laughs at Obama, China pushes us around, you care what those countries think of us?

If I had any say in the matter I would have Ron Paul directing our foreign policy. Then maybe we wouldn't have to worry so much about who might attack us, cross the border, etc.

Also, since when is being blunt and unfiltered the same as bigotry? The man lacks tact but I haven't heard anything too bad. The Twitter attack on Megyn Kelly has gone a bit far now but you know what they say about publicity...

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Old    Eric (DenverRider)      Join Date: Feb 2013       08-26-2015, 9:45 AM Reply   
Do you think that if social security is dissolved that you will get any of the money that you already contributed back? Where is it supposed to come from simplej? The boomers already spent YOUR contributions as well as their own on nuclear bombs, Muslim wars, and themselves. Do you think gen Y is going to continue to contribute even after it has been eliminated? Your stupidity astounds me. How about we just have a temporary moratorium on social security where the boomers don't get to collect but it starts up again when gen X retires. Boomers are the reason for all the mess we're in right now anyway. They may as well be the ones who pay the price.

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