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Old    bigdtx            03-19-2013, 4:40 PM Reply   
Just watched this and... WOW...

I still have an intense dislike for Bush and what he did to this country, but Cheney - he truly was Darth Vader. He still finds your lack of faith disturbing, and would do something about it if he could.
Old     (steezyshots)      Join Date: Feb 2008       03-20-2013, 9:05 AM Reply   
Old    bigdtx            03-21-2013, 6:13 AM Reply   
It's on Showtime - or your favorite torrent site.

Last edited by bigdtx; 03-21-2013 at 6:22 AM.
Old     (pennsforest04)      Join Date: Jan 2012       03-21-2013, 9:18 AM Reply   
Cheney is one devious SOB, I'll say that much. Always thought he had some sort of sway over Bush, but never on the scale that he actually did. Poor Bush never stood a chance, Cheney had him on a leash before he even took office.
Old     (steezyshots)      Join Date: Feb 2008       03-21-2013, 10:48 AM Reply   
Just watched it on youtube and it was pretty good, no mention of real facts of why Cheney really was pushing for war in Iraq.
Old     (TerryR)      Join Date: Aug 2010       03-23-2013, 6:02 PM Reply   
Good call.... and when Nixon broke into the room in the Watergate Hotel. OMG! Every time I think about it my blood boils! Those Damn Republicans.
Old    bigdtx            03-24-2013, 2:33 PM Reply   
> no mention of real facts of why Cheney really was pushing for war in Iraq.

This has been addressed elsewhere. Cheney and the neo-cons felt that the US hadn't done enough to establish the US as the ultimate power in the universe after the fall of the Soviet Union. They wanted to give an object lesson to the rest of the world (and the middle east in particular), that if you f*cked with the US, you would be eliminated, swiftly and efficiently. Of course now we all know that they accomplished just the opposite. Iraq learned that it was easy to draw the US into a long protracted guerrilla war and wait for them to "declare victory and go home" which we have now done.

Ironically Cheney developed his conservative political positions while taking advantage of multiple draft deferments as a student at the university of Wisconsin, where he developed an intense dislike for the Vietnam war protesters and supported the war. Had he taken a look at the history of Vietnam he would have know that China controlled the northern part of Vietnam for 1000 years, most of it dealing with uprisings and efforts to expel it - which eventually succeeded. After the war many senior North Vietnamese leaders cited this fact and noted that they would never give up, and never stop trying to expel the US and that if the US had studied their history they would know that.

But hey... Dick Cheney is smarter than the rest of us, his plan was good - it just wasn't implemented properly - just ask him, he'll tell you.
Old     (TerryR)      Join Date: Aug 2010       03-31-2013, 4:30 PM Reply   
Along the same line, I was thinking about the Cheney/Bush "Axis of Evil." It was laughed at and mocked at the time, but twelve yearsw later. N. Korea is posturing for war and threatening war against the US. and O' said military force was an option against Iran's nuclear weapons plans.

Seems they are still the axis of evil, though we can no longer include Iraq.


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