NFL Smack Talking Thread 2013!

Damn you David. I don't like Tavon coming to the NFCW. He is a little smaller Harvin. That said I am glad he is in STL instead on SF.

This division is SCARY. Rams are gonna be tough as heck.

So glad we stepped up to get Tavon! Weapons for Sam!

Hey Bobby, what in the hell is that crazy old man Jurray doing? He traded back 13 spots in the first so he could draft a 2nd or 3rd round Center and only got a 3rd in return. Hahahahaha.

As for the Jets I think they did well. They got the best CB and the best DT in the draft.

I think the Dolphins giving up a 2nd to move up to the 3rd pick and take Dion Jordan is pretty risky. Giving up a 2nd to move up there isn't bad but Jordan is a huge risk. He is not all that durable and needs to add weight to play in the NFL. Will adding weight make his injury issues worse?

As a Hawk fan I don't understand the niners moving up to draft a late 1st or early 2nd round guy. They have the picks and to move up that far for only a 3rd is pretty good. I much prefer what Seattle did with their first pick though. Essentially Seattle gave up a 3rd and 7th to get Harvin while SF gave up a 3rd to get Reid.

Originally Posted by polarbill

Essentially Seattle gave up a 3rd and 7th to get Harvin while SF gave up a 3rd to get Reid.

I love Seattle perspective on things. No, you didn't just give up a 3rd and a 7th. You gave up a 1st, a 3rd, a 7th and $11M/year.

And don't make the mistake of thinking the draft pundits (Kiper, McShay, et all) player rankings of a player are the end all be all. If the 9ers don't make that trade up they don't get Reid and settle for a different Safety later on. They may have him ranked significantly higher than the next best safety on their board. I trust their board more than Mel Kiper's.

To add to that, I think Harvin is a great player and a great pick up. However, he hasn't played 16 games a single time in his career. He's also had problems with coaches. There is a lot of risk there, whether you can admit it to yourself or not.

and Dallas continues to fumble the draft, year after year......

Originally Posted by sperbet

I love Seattle perspective on things. No, you didn't just give up a 3rd and a 7th. You gave up a 1st, a 3rd, a 7th and $11M/year.

And don't make the mistake of thinking the draft pundits (Kiper, McShay, et all) player rankings of a player are the end all be all. If the 9ers don't make that trade up they don't get Reid and settle for a different Safety later on. They may have him ranked significantly higher than the next best safety on their board. I trust their board more than Mel Kiper's.

My point stands about Harvin. They used a 1st, 3rd and 7th to acquire him. SF used a 1st and 3rd to get Reid. Basically both SF and Seattle used the same "draft capital" to acquire Harvin and Reid. Your point about the money is definitely something to consider. That said, if Harvin for some reason was entered into the draft this season he would be the 1st overall pick. When he is on the field he is a top 5 playmaker in the entire league. There are some concerns about this injuries but in 4 years his only injury has been the one last year he suffered last year(against the hawks). He missed games early in his career for migranes but says he hasn't had one in 2 years. Migraines and injury aren't related in any way other than they kept him off the field. Sure he has had some problems with his coaches but even with those problems he was the favorite to win the MVP before he got hurt last year. Point being all the so called negatives aren't really connected so there isn't as much of a worry of a pattern developing. In my opinion at least.

"That said, if Harvin for some reason was entered into the draft this season he would be the 1st overall pick."

No way. He's a great player and all, but I think your Seattle bias has you a bit delusional. Top 15 is not a stretch, but I don't believe he would have even been top 5.

Yeah, with the new collective bargaining agreement, rookies are stupid cheap for the first four years, so getting a player in the draft saves a ton of money over free agency in the long run. Even if Harvin was considered the best talent in the draft for 2013, he'd fall way down the board because of his price tag. He certainly wouldn't have been picked first.

I totally get why teams like Green Bay pretty much ignore free agency. If you know how to pick up talent in the draft, that's all you need to keep a team successful. The only time you should be blowing money on free agents is if you have more holes to fill than you can possibly fill with the draft (St. Louis) or you're super close to a Super Bowl and you want to add the last few pieces (Atlanta).

Or your trying to sell tickets to Jerrys World.[Dallas]

Originally Posted by wakeworld

Yeah, with the new collective bargaining agreement, rookies are stupid cheap for the first four years, so getting a player in the draft saves a ton of money over free agency in the long run. Even if Harvin was considered the best talent in the draft for 2013, he'd fall way down the board because of his price tag. He certainly wouldn't have been picked first.

I totally get why teams like Green Bay pretty much ignore free agency. If you know how to pick up talent in the draft, that's all you need to keep a team successful. The only time you should be blowing money on free agents is if you have more holes to fill than you can possibly fill with the draft (St. Louis) or you're super close to a Super Bowl and you want to add the last few pieces (Atlanta).

I agree that good teams generally build through the draft, not free agency but really that is what Seattle has done. Sure they signed Avril, Bennett and Winfield but all 3 are on short term contracts. Percy was the only big contract. Because Seattle has done so good turning over the roster and filling it with young guys on their rookie contracts they were able to afford Percy.

The NFC West is getting so good it is crazy. While I think ST Louis is a step behind SF and Seattle it isn't much of a step and I wouldn't at all be surprised if they pushed for the NFC West Title either. Arizona isn't on the same level but they aren't going to be bad. They might be 6-8 win team to go along with ST Louis who could be a 10+ win team and Seattle/SF who could be 12+ win teams.

What do you SF and ST Louis guys think of your drafts?

AS a Hawk fan I think our draft was really, really unexciting but I think we added solid depth that fits our schemes and we drafted a lot of guys. We got a couple Space Eating DT's to end up taking over for the guys we have. We got a 3rd RB in Michael. Sounds like a lot of scouts think he was the most talented RB in the draft but was downgraded due to injury and off the field concerns. Michael visited the hawks a couple weeks ago and after he left was basically begging to be drafted by the Hawks via twitter. The WR they got is getting compared to Boldin. He has decent height, is thick, fast enough and a former QB. If we get a guy like Boldin that is obviously a great pick. The Ware pick was weird but he would be our 5th RB/FB on the roster and could be the future FB so we can free up some cap room and cut Mike Rob. I know nothing about the TE but sounds like he tested teh 2nd best out of all TE's in the draft as far as athleticism goes. They got what appears to be a solid OLB/DE from a small school. He is a sack monster and has good speed. Then they filled the last round with a bunch of olineman to compete for spots. LAst year our draft produced a lot of starters which I don't think this one did, at least not right away but that is fine. Especially since it produced Percy Harvin and good depth.

NFC West just got better again. All four teams had very good drafts. Seattle, AZ and SF all got some good players from the 4th round on.

The 9ers crushed it IMO. Love taking the flier on Lattimore in the late 4th. We filled our hole at FS, beefed up the pass rush and took some talented guys that slipped a little later on. I'm really happy with most of it. WIth that being said, it makes no difference how happy you are with a draft right now. It matters a few years from now. We shall see. Either way, the rest of the NFL should be real afraid of the entire NFC West.

We filled our hole at FS, beefed up the pass rush

I feel awful for every QB they face next year.