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Old    Sean Griswold (seangriswold)      Join Date: Apr 2006       09-29-2012, 3:12 PM Reply   
not the best weather but was still great to get out and check out the new Recon Edition. Met some good people and got to chat briefly with Adam as well as watch Keith ride from a distance. I believe there were some guys from Alliance wake there getting some pics. Looking forward to seeing those shots!
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Old    Sean Griswold (seangriswold)      Join Date: Apr 2006       09-29-2012, 3:15 PM Reply   
few more shots
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Old    Miguel (migs)      Join Date: Aug 2006       09-29-2012, 3:57 PM Reply   
Man if you could get that recon edition in all white with that white
Camo trim. That would be a real storm trooper whip !
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       09-29-2012, 4:34 PM Reply   
wow is it just me or does that nose just scream "dip me"
Old    Johnny (johnny_defacto)      Join Date: Sep 2006       09-29-2012, 4:49 PM Reply   
yeah simple, looks like that would be a cold one too!

Thats the way it loves to be weighted though, nice and heavy in the bow, IMO most axis owners have too little bow weight... I get happy just looking at that.
Old    RB (boardman74)      Join Date: Jul 2012       09-29-2012, 4:51 PM Reply   
Nose is super low. Sharp looking boats!
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       09-29-2012, 4:55 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnny_defacto View Post
yeah simple, looks like that would be a cold one too!
but nothing is more frightening then riding in the bow of SLAMMED gen 2 star with 8 people and 5000lbs of ballast in new england in early may...

i can see the axis liking front weight, especially if youre using the wedge

but anyways this edition is cool but i doubt i would drop the coin...
Old    Johnny (johnny_defacto)      Join Date: Sep 2006       09-29-2012, 5:46 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by simplej View Post
but nothing is more frightening then riding in the bow of SLAMMED gen 2 star with 8 people and 5000lbs of ballast in new england in early may...

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Oh yeah, I was about to say that the picture reminds me of how an Xstar looks when properly weighted....
Old    Mike (slowwwflowww)      Join Date: Mar 2011       09-29-2012, 6:24 PM Reply   
Axis have a rugged look on the water!!
Old    Mike (slowwwflowww)      Join Date: Mar 2011       09-29-2012, 6:26 PM Reply   
Seeing how that nose is about 8 inches from water,ya dip me!
Old    L W (501s)      Join Date: Feb 2010       09-29-2012, 7:06 PM Reply   
Man, that is awesome to see Lyman on the water! I thought with him joining the Army, we wouldn't see him again for years on the water. Very nice boats too. I sure wish Axis would offer a stainless steel rub rail, that's one thing that always looks cheap to me. Very very minor of course, and they look sick loaded down.
Old    Tom (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       09-29-2012, 8:35 PM Reply   
Surprised this went down. What a **** weather day here. Too bad I had to help a friend move. Would have been fun to stop down there.
Old    Swatguy (xstarrider)      Join Date: Jun 2007       09-29-2012, 9:36 PM Reply   
So whats up with the Recon Edition vs the Vandall,
Old    Erik Jernberg (juniorhawk)      Join Date: Jul 2004       09-30-2012, 1:36 PM Reply   
Boat looks sharp, but holy sausage fest batman.
Old    Daniel (cowwboy)      Join Date: Jul 2008       10-01-2012, 6:00 AM Reply   
Why do the manuacturers cut the nose so low? It seems to be a trend in wake boats. Compare the freeboard from the rear to the nose, why don't they keep the freeboard the same?
Old    Delta Force (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       10-01-2012, 6:28 AM Reply   
One reason is bow rise Daniel... Depending on the hull design, boats plow through the water and don't lift straight up - a ski boat is designed to run flat, wake boats drag. That boat is actually setting pretty level, slammed, but level.

I would be interested to hear if the nose actually dipped minus just crossing some chop/rollers. A good driver can avoid a nose dip.
Old    Sheldon (Fiveflat)      Join Date: Sep 2010       10-01-2012, 9:09 AM Reply   
The bow isn't that low on the Axis. That boat is weighted down.

Here's a shot of one with minimal ballast.


Last edited by Fiveflat; 10-01-2012 at 9:12 AM.
Old    Dave (bcrider)      Join Date: Apr 2006       10-01-2012, 9:50 AM Reply   
I was going to say. The Axis front isn't low typically. There's 4 people up front so that could be anywhere from 600-800lbs depending on the weight of the people.
Old    Daniel (cowwboy)      Join Date: Jul 2008       10-01-2012, 12:37 PM Reply   
I'm not picking on the axis just saying in general. But look at the height difference above the rub rail in the front and back. It's got to be at least a foot.
Old    Johnny (johnny_defacto)      Join Date: Sep 2006       10-01-2012, 1:51 PM Reply   
Yeah daniel, you are right about a lot of wake boats with low bows, I noticed that too. When sitting in the drivers seat of the A22 with no ballast, you can really see well over the bow, the top deck drops down just in front of the windshield. the bow rise is not very much either (compared to most) and so it is very nice to be able to see when getting on plane and see very well once up to speed.
Old    Johnny (johnny_defacto)      Join Date: Sep 2006       10-01-2012, 2:00 PM Reply   
here is my A22 with no ballast. You can see that the rubrail is higher out of the water than the rear, but the top of the bow is still 6" or so lower than the sun pad on the rear.
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Old    Delta Force (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       10-01-2012, 2:08 PM Reply   
There is also a substantial amount of hull under the bow, I think the forks give it the look like it slopes down and the bow stops short. There is a lot down there to keep it afloat. Anyone comment, did the nose dip on that Recon?
Old    Sheldon (Fiveflat)      Join Date: Sep 2010       10-01-2012, 2:17 PM Reply   
Here's about 1800lbs total in the bow (plus much more in the rear and floor). You have to drive it, but it's not hard to keep water from coming over.

Old    Daniel (cowwboy)      Join Date: Jul 2008       10-01-2012, 3:12 PM Reply   
1800 in the bow? How much do you run in the stern?
Old    Dave (bcrider)      Join Date: Apr 2006       10-01-2012, 3:12 PM Reply   
^ Dang, that thing is slammed!
Old    Mike (slowwwflowww)      Join Date: Mar 2011       10-01-2012, 3:19 PM Reply   
I can see why nobody is sitting in bow.
Old    Sheldon (Fiveflat)      Join Date: Sep 2010       10-01-2012, 3:32 PM Reply   
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1800 in the bow? How much do you run in the stern?
I do not load my boat like this all the time. This was a one time occasion just to see how big we could make the wake.

There was about 1800 up there, that's an 1100# sac you see up there and there was a 400# in the hallway plus the front ballast, but some was emptied there.

Then we had the rear plug 'n play with 750s full in the lockers(1900 in each locker) and another odd size sac on the floor, it was around 500lbs.


Sorry, I think this thread is getting off topic now so I apologize for putting these pics up now.
Old    Brandon Zubke (bzubke1)      Join Date: Feb 2010       10-01-2012, 4:29 PM Reply   
it's cool as long as you have pics of the wake with that setup.
Old    Joseph (gatorboy112)      Join Date: Aug 2012       10-01-2012, 7:29 PM Reply   
yeah throw some wake pics up!
Old    Sheldon (Fiveflat)      Join Date: Sep 2010       10-01-2012, 9:33 PM Reply   
No pics, but here is the video I made from that day.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgfC6sJIq8w
Old    L W (501s)      Join Date: Feb 2010       10-01-2012, 10:19 PM Reply   
Wow, that wake was HUGE! Nice video Sheldon.
Old    A.J. West (you_da_man)      Join Date: Sep 2009       10-01-2012, 10:25 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by cowwboy View Post
I'm not picking on the axis just saying in general. But look at the height difference above the rub rail in the front and back. It's got to be at least a foot.
The added top deck makes you feel like you are "in the boat" instead of "on the boat". Also, it's not "at least a foot"... not even close, you can measure my Axis. Definitely a more secure feeling inside the boat vs something like an Epic where seat backs are shallow (not picking on Epic...just an example of shallow seat backs). As Johnny mentioned, the Axis has minimal bow rise compared to a lot of other boats out there.

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Old    Delta Force (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       10-02-2012, 6:42 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiveflat View Post
I do not load my boat like this all the time. This was a one time occasion just to see how big we could make the wake.

There was about 1800 up there, that's an 1100# sac you see up there and there was a 400# in the hallway plus the front ballast, but some was emptied there.

Then we had the rear plug 'n play with 750s full in the lockers(1900 in each locker) and another odd size sac on the floor, it was around 500lbs.


Sorry, I think this thread is getting off topic now so I apologize for putting these pics up now.
3800 in the back of the boat? Or 1900 total in the back?
Old    Sheldon (Fiveflat)      Join Date: Sep 2010       10-02-2012, 7:56 AM Reply   
1900 total. 200# hard tank plus the 750# plug 'n play sac in each locker.

Then another ~500 sac on the floor.
Old    J D (jeff_mn)      Join Date: Jul 2009       10-02-2012, 8:16 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiveflat View Post
No pics, but here is the video I made from that day.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgfC6sJIq8w
That rewind at 1:48 is BANANAS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Old    Delta Force (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       10-02-2012, 10:50 AM Reply   
4200lbs of weight is bananas
Old    Travis Fleming (brazosfreak05)      Join Date: May 2009       10-02-2012, 10:53 AM Reply   
DID I MISS SOMETHING?

Keith Lyman is back?
Old    Tom (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       10-02-2012, 11:47 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by brazosfreak05 View Post
DID I MISS SOMETHING?

Keith Lyman is back?
I believe he is stationed at Fort Bragg and working on a few mixed Army/Wakeboard related projects while in the service. I could be wrong, but that's what I've gathered from the things I've heard.
Old    RB (boardman74)      Join Date: Jul 2012       10-02-2012, 11:50 AM Reply   
Was stationed there(Pope AFB) years ago. The used to have a cable, not sure if it's still there. back when they called it a ski rixen.
Old    Tom (boardjnky4)      Join Date: Dec 2011       10-02-2012, 11:52 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by boardman74 View Post
Was stationed there(Pope AFB) years ago. The used to have a cable, not sure if it's still there. back when they called it a ski rixen.
Yeah I believe it's still there.
Old    Joseph (gatorboy112)      Join Date: Aug 2012       10-02-2012, 4:21 PM Reply   
anyone know the cost to get the recon edition?

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