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Old    Bob (Reez)      Join Date: Mar 2010       09-13-2012, 4:43 PM Reply   
Upgrading from my current 05 21v in selling. I'd like to keep it in the 50k range. I may be into a newer supra but the wake is a bit finicky and I want a better surf wake. Any suggestions.
Old    RB (boardman74)      Join Date: Jul 2012       09-13-2012, 4:52 PM Reply   
New or used? Pretty wide open question.
Old    Allen Walker (alw041)      Join Date: Jun 2012       09-13-2012, 6:33 PM Reply   
I will be looking at boats around February and I am trying to decide between an A22, Mojo, and LSV. I will probably decide by sitting in them at the boat show.
Old    Skippabcool (skippabcool)      Join Date: Mar 2011       09-13-2012, 6:41 PM Reply   
This could become an interesting thread. I have a '07 Tige 22Ve and the surf wake is great. I have ridden my buddies '06 SANTE and I don't think the surf wake is close to the Tige. The SANTE wakeboard wake is great. I have also surfed behind a '07 Tige RZ2, very similar to mine. Those are the only three that I have actually been behind.

There are a lot of great boats out there, I would try to demo any boats that you are considering and ride behind them how you plan to use them to see how it is for you. I would also take into consideration your local dealer support.
Old    Bob (Reez)      Join Date: Mar 2010       09-14-2012, 7:01 AM Reply   
As far as new or used goes I am open to either. I have seen some newer VLX's in my price range and new axis is in my wheelhouse. Seems like SAN's and MC are most expensive. I really want a kicking wake.
Old     (nitrousbird)      Join Date: Sep 2008       09-14-2012, 9:24 AM Reply   
MB boats seem pretty popular on Wakeworld. From what I see, good bang for the buck. I've only seen one locally (mid 2000's model), as they aren't marketed everywhere. If they are in your area I'd say it is well worth a look.
Old    Delta Force (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       09-14-2012, 9:38 AM Reply   
If you up your budget 10k... Chattwakes Axis Vandall looks SICK and according to his description is setup legit.

Disclaimer: I don't know chat and have never been behind his boat, but if I had the budget to do so, I would own his, it's nice.
Old    Bill Smeltzer (runin90lx)      Join Date: Sep 2009       09-14-2012, 9:51 AM Reply   
my new MB will be here next week. brand new 2013 was only a little more than yoru 50K budget. i went with the 23 wide body, 2300 # stock ballast that fills in about 1 minute.

some good info here about surf with pics
http://www.wakeworld.com/forum/showthread.php?t=790196
Old    PLR (dbdb)      Join Date: Oct 2005       09-14-2012, 10:00 AM Reply   
I have an X15 I'll sell you. The wake is great. The surf wave is pretty good also (both sides). Plus, I'm only about 4 hours from you.
Old    Bob (Reez)      Join Date: Mar 2010       09-14-2012, 10:55 AM Reply   
Any links on your X-15? hows the MB widebody wakeboard wake? What is it comparable too?
Old    Bill Smeltzer (runin90lx)      Join Date: Sep 2009       09-14-2012, 11:04 AM Reply   
from what ive read the mb wakeboard wake is very tall and peaky. here is a pic i found in a thread
Old    Bob (Reez)      Join Date: Mar 2010       09-14-2012, 11:06 AM Reply   
That looks like a nice wake. Whats the difference between the widebody and tomcat? they both seem priced the same
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       09-14-2012, 11:42 AM Reply   
Picklefork vs standard bow. THe boats are almost identical besides the bow layout.
Old    PLR (dbdb)      Join Date: Oct 2005       09-14-2012, 11:44 AM Reply   
Bob,
PM Sent
Old    Brad Riddick (riddick)      Join Date: Jan 2010       09-14-2012, 7:11 PM Reply   
I'm selling my 2008 X-star for around your price range (asking 59k)... It's loaded out with options, and is under a transferable warranty until May 19, 2014.

Indmar is re-manufacturing the engine within the next week or two, so the engine will be like new with all new components.

It's not a new boat, but its in like-new condition with a warranty!
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Old     (madcityskier)      Join Date: Jun 2012       09-14-2012, 7:32 PM Reply   
Sweet looking ride. How many hours, and what happened to the engine?
Old     (madcityskier)      Join Date: Jun 2012       09-14-2012, 7:34 PM Reply   
A sweet looking boat you have there. What happened to the engine? How many hours?
Old    Brad Riddick (riddick)      Join Date: Jan 2010       09-16-2012, 5:36 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by madcityskier View Post
A sweet looking boat you have there. What happened to the engine? How many hours?
It has around 225 hours. The engine was using abnormal amounts of oil
Old    Mark (FunkyBunch)      Join Date: Jun 2011       09-17-2012, 7:33 AM Reply   
Here are some Supra wake pictures for comparison. This is my 08 22ssv nothing on this model has changed to the hull since 08.
The first pick is stock ballast + 200 nose at 23.
400 rear compartments.
1180 center locker
200 nose
Plate is 100% down so there is not much lip.

Second pick is after my upgraded sacks. Same speed
750 rear 3/4 full
1180 center
300 nose.
Plate is down 75%
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Old    Jason Buffalow (buffalow)      Join Date: Apr 2002       09-17-2012, 7:43 AM Reply   
23 TWB Surf wake last week at MB Shoot
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Old    Delta Force (wakebordr11)      Join Date: May 2001       09-17-2012, 8:20 AM Reply   
^ Wow, long pocket anyone?
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       09-17-2012, 8:55 AM Reply   
Lots of options at $50K and an A22 should definitely be on your "to drive and ride behind" list.

This is our wake on our 2011 twb 23 (same hull as 2013). No ballast, 21.3, 95lb 13 y/o kid yesterday.

Old    Mark (FunkyBunch)      Join Date: Jun 2011       09-17-2012, 8:58 AM Reply   
I am hoping to get Craig at TXMC to let me test a 23 twb with some additional weight in it. They keep selling them so fast not sure its going to happen. If it does I will post up some pictures of that as well. Maybe runin90lx can slam his once he gets it broken in?
Old    J D (jeff_mn)      Join Date: Jul 2009       09-17-2012, 9:20 AM Reply   
Just get an MB. best boat in your price range, everyone seems happy with them.
Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       09-17-2012, 9:29 AM Reply   
The MB's throw an awesome wakeboard wake. How much will you be surfing? Maybe it has changed but the swim platform being so high out of the water on the surf wave made me nervous for some reason. I kept feeling like if I went too far forward that the board would get stuck underneath of it and be slightly more dangerous than other boats. Wish I had a picture for reference. Definitely ride and drive all of the boats you can, you honestly can't drive or ride behind enough of them.
Old    TN22            09-17-2012, 9:46 AM Reply   
Definitely check out the new redesigned LSV
Old     (simplej)      Join Date: Sep 2011       09-17-2012, 9:52 AM Reply   
or the new tige z1! (if your dealer is reasonable)
Old    Bob (Reez)      Join Date: Mar 2010       09-17-2012, 10:20 AM Reply   
We surf a fair amount. I am not really into surfing but it seams like something everyone else wants to do so it ends up happening during the day when its rough. I am in michigan and I hear re-sale on MB's is pretty poor out here. The vinyl of the A22 scares me a bit but if i upped my price range i could get into a 2013 which i hear has better viny.
Old    J D (jeff_mn)      Join Date: Jul 2009       09-17-2012, 11:40 AM Reply   
MB dude.
Old    Johnny (johnny_defacto)      Join Date: Sep 2006       09-17-2012, 1:29 PM Reply   
don't listen to anybody that says "just go buy _______", go demo everything in your price range, bring a trusted friend, bring whatever sacks you need to mimic what you plan on doing. I am learning that some dealers have no clue how to properly weight the very boats they are selling, so come on here or go to the forums (mc team talk, malibucrew, axis forum...etc) and get some advice on how they weight their boats before you demo. All the boats mentioned are great, but there are huge differences in drivability, interior/tower function, wakes and waves of all the boats, only you will know what you like and dislike.
Old    Bill Smeltzer (runin90lx)      Join Date: Sep 2009       09-17-2012, 1:53 PM Reply   
Mark...what are you wanting pics of weighted? Wakeboard or surf wake? I'm hoping to be out in it this weekend if everything goes well
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       09-17-2012, 1:53 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by johnny_defacto View Post
don't listen to anybody that says "just go buy _______", go demo everything in your price range, bring a trusted friend, bring whatever sacks you need to mimic what you plan on doing. I am learning that some dealers have no clue how to properly weight the very boats they are selling, so come on here or go to the forums (mc team talk, malibucrew, axis forum...etc) and get some advice on how they weight their boats before you demo. All the boats mentioned are great, but there are huge differences in drivability, interior/tower function, wakes and waves of all the boats, only you will know what you like and dislike.
^^^ this.

and don't discount used either....

http://www.themalibucrew.com/forums/...-23-lsv-52000/
Old    Rance Taylor (DatTexasBoy)      Join Date: Aug 2012       09-17-2012, 1:59 PM Reply   
I have had both A22 and now an MB 21TC and the wakes are both equally good, different but both good. If you want a quality boat for your money (interior, overall construction, tricked out trailer) MB is far ahead of the A22. IMO....
Old    Mark (FunkyBunch)      Join Date: Jun 2011       09-17-2012, 2:16 PM Reply   
bill PM sent. I am wanting to see the wakeboard wake sacked out. I have seen the surf wave from some of the guys on mbowners. Most of the pics I have seen of the wakeboard wake was an added 400 in the nose would like to see someone that had a bow triangle and some rear sacs in addition to the hard tanks.
Old    Diggs (pdxWAKE) (tyler97217)      Join Date: Aug 2004       09-18-2012, 10:15 AM Reply   
Bob
I would wait and see the impressions of the new Supra SA350 before you make a decision.... Probably going to up your budget, but I have been hearing good things from the surf and wakeboard camp.... I am anxious to try it out myself and
Old    J D (jeff_mn)      Join Date: Jul 2009       09-18-2012, 10:38 AM Reply   
Said he wants to spend $50k so you recommend an $80k rig? Only on Wakeworld.
Old    Drew Richardson (surffresh)      Join Date: Jun 2010       09-18-2012, 10:49 AM Reply   
@ the OP Rob, you now have 2 MB dealers in MI, they are both selling boats, the brand is getting out there and I am sure the new owners will love their boats and boom, a guy in Lousiana just bought 2012 slightly used for 54 and I know of several other used 12's that sold for 50+ so as the brand gets more exposer in the east the resale market for MB will only get better
Old    Diggs (pdxWAKE) (tyler97217)      Join Date: Aug 2004       09-18-2012, 10:58 AM Reply   
JD
I was just stating what the OP said in his post..... I will add it on here with quotes for you to review.... Was just making a statement based on what he said.... I don't care what he gets, but he mentioned he would like to look at a newer supra except for his wake was finicky..... All reports have stated the SA is not finicky side to side, so I was suggesting he looks at it.... Sorry to offend you.

"Upgrading from my current 05 21v in selling. I'd like to keep it in the 50k range. I may be into a newer supra but the wake is a bit finicky and I want a better surf wake. Any suggestions."
Old    J D (jeff_mn)      Join Date: Jul 2009       09-18-2012, 11:36 AM Reply   
I read into what you're saying man.. I love the SA as well and all of the wake reviews are that it is money.. It's still a 75% jump in price point - that was my only comment. I doubt when he said "newer supra" he was talking about brand new SA. - if only for the price argument..

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