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LIHU‘E — Former Florida “pill mill” owner and seven-time world champion wake boarder Darrin Shapiro and his father and brother were in police custody on Kaua‘i Monday pending extradition to Florida.
The Florida Metropolitan Bureau of Investigation enlisted Kaua‘i vice officers in the investigation and arrest of Shapiro, 38, of Princeville, his brother, Jarrett Shapiro, 42, of Kalaheo and their father, Lewis Ray Shapiro, 65, of Princeville, on charges of racketeering, conspiracy to commit racketeering and money laundering.
Darrin Shapiro was arrested on Feb. 2 in Princeville. Lewis Ray and Jarrett Shapiro were arrested on Feb. 3 at Lihu‘e Airport after turning themselves in to authorities, Kaua‘i police said.
Investigators said that in Florida — a state known for its oxycodone (Oxycontin) epidemic — Darrin Shapiro’s Florida clinic, Pain Relief Orlando, was probably the worst “pill mill.” In the fourth quarter of 2010 alone, it prescribed more oxycodone than the entire state of California.
The Shapiros’ arrests are part of a multi-agency investigation by a Central Florida drug enforcement task force that, in conjunction with the Florida Health Department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, raided the Shapiros’ Florida pain clinics in June.
But at the time of the raids, the Shapiros had already relocated to Kaua‘i, leaving behind Dr. Riyaz Jummani, the doctor who ran the clinics, as the owner of record. Police in Orange County, Fla., arrested Jummani last week on charges of money laundering.
Within days of the June raids in Florida, Darrin Shapiro opened Kaua‘i’s only opioid-prescribing and marijuana card-issuing pain management clinic, Kaua‘i Chronic Pain Center, run by Dr. Sian Evans.
Kauai Chronic quietly closed down last month. The closure occurred a week or two after a group of local high school students staged a peaceful picketing demonstration outside the clinic protesting its existence in their community.
All three men remain in police custody in lieu of $750,000 bail each. Darrin Shapiro appeared in court Monday and was transported to the Kaua‘i County Correctional Center. Lewis Ray and Jarrett Shapiro were being held in a police cell block awaiting an initial court appearance.
Florida Department of Law Enforcement Special Agent Supervisor Tom Foy told The Garden Island on Monday that a news conference to provide details of the investigation will be held Thursday.
Read more: http://m.thegardenisland.com/news/lo...#ixzz1llNfYWkF
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Wow. Nice post wakeboarding family business.
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Holy **** this is crazy. This guy is one of my heroes. Sucks to hear it's come to this.
As a side note, didn't Herb O'brien get involved in drugs as well? Someone told me a story about him and his people smuggling something or other inside waterskis, but I wasn't sure if it was true or not.
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Holy **** this is crazy. This guy is one of my heroes. Sucks to hear it's come to this.
As a side note, didn't Herb O'brien get involved in drugs as well? Someone told me a story about him and his people smuggling something or other inside waterskis, but I wasn't sure if it was true or not.
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yes. i am impressed. you know your history sir.
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Wow...what a dark day for wakeboarding. Doesn't even matter if its true, just the thought alone is so tainting. Then again, I'm not super surprised when I think about the more common meaning of Speedball:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedball_(drug)
I was once told that Herb O'Brien created O'Brien Waterskis.
He lost the company when he went to jail on charges related to trafficking drugs in waterskis (brilliant idea btw). After paying his debt to society, Herb created H.O. or Hyperlite.
He lost that company too when he sold more than 51% of the company (correct me if I'm mistaken). After rounding up legends from our sport, he and his son created Radar or Ronix.
btw wft has Emily Durham does for Ronix lately? Oh wait, she had kids and that's why companies have a glass ceilings.
If Darin is found guilty, we should forgive him. After all, his debt to society will buy some street cred for wakeboarding.
We might zeach but our legends go to jail like the pro surfers and skateboarders.
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I've thought for a few years that if I REALLY wanted to make money, I would need to invest in drug rehab centers, lazer tattoo removal, or pain clinics. All three are in such incredible high demand right now. Seriously, addiction to tranquilizers, addiction to opiate painkillers, and neck tattoos are mistakes people are making on a daily basis and want to erase from their past. I can't pass judgement on him, though it does sound like his clinic was making the painkiller street problem in Florida worse. Sucks. I hate seeing a mug shot of the big man. It sounds like Shapiro got caught up in the works and business side, not the drugs themselves - which is a good thing I suppose.
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02-08-2012, 5:11 AM
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@GD, it was online so everyone could see it anyways
Regardless, Shapiro is probably one my top 5 favorite riders to watch. The guy just does stuff at a level that I've yet to see any one else get to (maybe except clifford, davies, parks or rathy)
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02-08-2012, 5:58 AM
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Scud on the Skids. Sucks when people get caught up on greed. Just goes to show drugs will cloud your judgement.
He will always be one of the biggest wakeboarders despite his shortcomings.
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02-08-2012, 6:13 AM
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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I was wondering if that was going to happen here. People have said stuff like that all morning on Facebook. Read the article. Lots of assumptions over Darin Shapiro's usage of the drugs - which is NOT the point of the story or his legal trouble. NOT the point. Seriously I hope people read the article. Once again, this seems to be about his bad business dealings and helping to run a pill mill in Hawaii, not drug use by him specifically.
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02-08-2012, 6:15 AM
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In the fourth quarter of 2010 alone, it prescribed more oxycodone than the entire state of California.
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02-08-2012, 6:55 AM
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No offense Erik, but I am not really seeing any difference between doing and pushing drugs. If anything, pushing them would be worse.
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I'm surprised at the magnitude of crimes committed here! this sounds like an episode of Hawaii five 0! I visit Kauai on a regular basis and never knew the Shapiros were located on that island, always thought they lived on Maui
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You guys taking up for Darin make me sick. What he did is complete scum. It is like taking up for Jerry Sanduskie's actions. Dont get me wrong, he does deserve redemption if he seeks it but what he did is wrong and unexceptable.
I know this because I once was addicted to OC extremly bad and was getting them through pill mills for my torn ACL. Yes a torn ACL from 4 years prior was getting me 150 oxycontin a month. Thats 5 a day! The people selling them to me could not of cared less that I had become violently ill and could function without them. I had to go through complete hell and $100K in rehab expense to get to where I am today for their $120 doctor's visit.
I now work with many struggling adicts who are not a fortunate as I am. I see many people DIE and many more lives ruined. 99% of the people addicted to these pills are getting them from these pill mills where the greedy owers are only concerned with themselves. Had Darin been using the drugs it would be one thing but NO, he completly RUINED the live of THOUSANDS of people(including family and friends). Unnexceptable. Period.
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02-08-2012, 7:18 AM
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Ian I'm not commenting about that. Yes it is hard to say which is worse.
But I'm just pointing out that people are not reading the article.
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02-08-2012, 7:22 AM
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Nintzel shoulda tipped us off. Its a known fact that he is tight with all the OG pros out there. Im kinda ashamed he let this go on for so long without bringing it to the authorities. Its one thing to keep your secret riding spots up in northern Minnesota hush hush, but this is just ridiculous!!!
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02-08-2012, 7:33 AM
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Crazy. I knew Darin back in the day and would have never made the connection, but money is money. What probably started as an easy way to make some money, turned into huge money and there you go. Bummed....
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Every rolemodel has his/her shortfalls. I respect him for all of the work he has done on the water. What he did with his life after wakeboarding his his business, not mine. It is just a terrible shame.
I don't want to be the kind of person that erases all the good things people do because of the bad. Hopefully, he can do what he needs to do to get things right in time to still drop a few massive bombs out on the water. I miss watching Shapiro ride.
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Shapiro had to see this coming.
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Nintzel shoulda tipped us off. Its a known fact that he is tight with all the OG pros out there. Im kinda ashamed he let this go on for so long without bringing it to the authorities. Its one thing to keep your secret riding spots up in northern Minnesota hush hush, but this is just ridiculous!!!
^^ Wow thats a ballsy comment. Do you have any facts to support a comment like that? I see no need to bring his name into this conversation without facts to support it. Especially when it is such a serious claim. It seems unnecessary and stupid.
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WOW I knew Darrin was famous for the SPEEDBALL double wake board flip, Had no Idea he was Selling
"Speed Balls"
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haha paul I'm just playing man. He knows I'm a jokester
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Hahaha gotchya just saw it and was thinking there isnt any need for that!
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You guys taking up for Darin make me sick. What he did is complete scum. It is like taking up for Jerry Sanduskie's actions. Dont get me wrong, he does deserve redemption if he seeks it but what he did is wrong and unexceptable.
I know this because I once was addicted to OC extremly bad and was getting them through pill mills for my torn ACL. Yes a torn ACL from 4 years prior was getting me 150 oxycontin a month. Thats 5 a day! The people selling them to me could not of cared less that I had become violently ill and could function without them. I had to go through complete hell and $100K in rehab expense to get to where I am today for their $120 doctor's visit.
I now work with many struggling adicts who are not a fortunate as I am. I see many people DIE and many more lives ruined. 99% of the people addicted to these pills are getting them from these pill mills where the greedy owers are only concerned with themselves. Had Darin been using the drugs it would be one thing but NO, he completly RUINED the live of THOUSANDS of people(including family and friends). Unnexceptable. Period.
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You actually are comparing drug dealing with child rape? Wow. Sorry you had your issues in the past, but please dont compare the two. They could not be farther off.
Sorry to see a legend in our sport go down this road, but he will pay for being a drug dealer. I wonder how his wife is taking this, with the young kids at home?
Wonder if he spells his name with one R or two?
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Good riddance and I hope the bunch rot in prison. A business distributing synthetic heroin is a menace to society. Oxycodone is just the tip of the iceberg and there are plenty of other drug pushers with medical licenses that should be herded up for the pen as well.
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Lots of assumptions over Darin Shapiro's usage of the drugs .
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Thats true and is only an assumption because of association, the fact is
Drugs will cloud.
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02-08-2012, 8:33 AM
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damn my fav rider got taken down, maybe he will escape 12 honkey style
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I watched a documentary on the Florida Pill Mill epidemic. Chilling to say the least. They actually have a flight # nicknamed the Oxy Express to FLA (sorry I don't recall the other city, midwest somewhere).
People round trip regularly to turn Oxy in thier own states for huge profits. Many of the clinic actually have a "doctor" on site to write you the prescription. Crazy...
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If you guys didn't check out the link, here's a good face book profile pic for ya
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^^^^^^^ not flattering whats so ever
and if he doesn't look high...then we have a great president
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btw wft has Emily Durham does for Ronix lately? Oh wait, she had kids and that's why companies have a glass ceilings.
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02-08-2012, 9:03 AM
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Major Bummer. He is still my wakeboard hero!
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02-08-2012, 9:37 AM
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Exactly, let's seperate his wakeboard contribution from his personal failures. His riding from 10-15 years ago is still inspirational to watch today. The Wakeboarding Magazine with him doing a look-back during a hoochie-glide was my first issue and I am still a huge fan of his wakeboarding. Truthfully, I never really knew anything about his personal life--until now.
Saying that he is one of the greatest wakeboarders ever is not defending his criminal actions.
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I now work with many struggling adicts who are not a fortunate as I am. I see many people DIE and many more lives ruined. 99% of the people addicted to these pills are getting them from these pill mills where the greedy owers are only concerned with themselves. Had Darin been using the drugs it would be one thing but NO, he completly RUINED the live of THOUSANDS of people(including family and friends). Unnexceptable. Period.
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Glad to hear that you are clean now and helping others get back on their feet! To me, that is righting the wrong. Keep up the good work!
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No offense Erik, but I am not really seeing any difference between doing and pushing drugs. If anything, pushing them would be worse.
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Big difference. The users are not in control of their lives. A user that sells some to support his habit is the same. But someone who sells these things strictly for profit are in a completely different category. And you are right, they are worse.
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Especially Oxy which is no better than selling street heroin.
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What is the most damning thing for me is that after they basically got busted in Florida and run out of their own town that they had to go and do it again in Hawaii. I mean the first time it could have started with bad judgment and then gotten itself out of control but the second time it is clear this is all about supreme greed and not giving a crap about people or your community. I was never really a fan anyway but now I have no respect either...
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Sloppy, You cant compare this with jerry sandusky case, thats just ridiculous! I have had 2 ACL surgeries, and was precribed Oxy and I never got addicted to them??? What Darin did was wrong, but hey we are all human! I don't think he was at the schools pushing drugs to kids. Adults are responsible for their own actions. IMO
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Sad day for wakeboarding when one of its greatest champions and innovators ends up in a situation like this. I'm sure everybody in this forum can look at what Darin has done for the sport on the water and tip their hats to his efforts and achievements ON THE WATER.
Unfortunately, it appears that Darrin's life off the water really went astray. The charges brought against him aren't just an "oops" and the apparent history of his "business" behavior shows that this was something that was actively organized and carried out continuously. Yes, people have made mistakes, but often it's only once. It appears that Shapiro continuously advanced this line of work, and for that, you really can't lend much pity. If he was illegitimately selling pain meds, that's a very bad and illegal thing to do, however, maybe it's something you could learn the error of your ways, and get away from. When you stack money laundering, racketeering and opening multiple facilities dealing with prescription drugs (oxy) and herbal opiates too, you really lose the ability to say, "I've made a bad mistake, I don't know what I was thinking". More oxy out their door than California as a state in one quarter? That's just absurd and shows a blatant disregard for attempting to do anything "health" related legitimately.
His riding= awesome. Everything else, apparently not great.
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02-08-2012, 11:57 AM
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It sure looks like Darin and his dad/brother are going to end up prison for many years.
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Sloppy, You cant compare this with jerry sandusky case, thats just ridiculous! I have had 2 ACL surgeries, and was precribed Oxy and I never got addicted to them??? What Darin did was wrong, but hey we are all human! I don't think he was at the schools pushing drugs to kids. Adults are responsible for their own actions. IMO
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I wish we could hear a statement from Darin. He had it coming, that's for sure.
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This really blows my mind. People who are unfamiliar with these drugs and addictions would never understand how utterly destructive they are to the lives of so many good people and their families and friends. They will take ahold of your soul in such a way they can destroy the strongest of people. IMO perscription drugs are amongst the top causing drug problems in America and the doctors and people issuing with knowing what they are doing should not only be locked up but charged for MURDER. Wrecking individuals lives as a slave to the almighty dollar is sick...this guy deserves whatever comes to him.
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@GD, it was online so everyone could see it anyways
Regardless, Shapiro is probably one my top 5 favorite riders to watch. The guy just does stuff at a level that I've yet to see any one else get to (maybe except clifford, davies, parks or rathy)
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That's because he was high all the time... and feels no pain...
I wonder if sold stuff to Randall...
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Darin had back problems towards the end of his career. Maybe the pain killers helped him cope with the pain and he was just trying to promote a product he believed in.
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dont bring randy into this! that guy has had his ups and downs but tries to be straight. dont discount him because Darin got in trouble.
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i was prescribed Oxycontin after my ACL surgery, I dont understand whats so great about them. They make you feel terrible and they make it so you cant crap for weeks.
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Agreed! do not bring Randall into this! He has really made a great turnaround. Yo Fly135....
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Sad day for wakeboarding when one of its greatest champions and innovators ends up in a situation like this. I'm sure everybody in this forum can look at what Darin has done for the sport on the water and tip their hats to his efforts and achievements ON THE WATER.
Unfortunately, it appears that Darrin's life off the water really went astray. The charges brought against him aren't just an "oops" and the apparent history of his "business" behavior shows that this was something that was actively organized and carried out continuously. Yes, people have made mistakes, but often it's only once. It appears that Shapiro continuously advanced this line of work, and for that, you really can't lend much pity. If he was illegitimately selling pain meds, that's a very bad and illegal thing to do, however, maybe it's something you could learn the error of your ways, and get away from. When you stack money laundering, racketeering and opening multiple facilities dealing with prescription drugs (oxy) and herbal opiates too, you really lose the ability to say, "I've made a bad mistake, I don't know what I was thinking". More oxy out their door than California as a state in one quarter? That's just absurd and shows a blatant disregard for attempting to do anything "health" related legitimately.
His riding= awesome. Everything else, apparently not great.
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It says he was arrested and transported to Kaua‘i County Correctional Center; i'm gonna look through my pics and see if I have any of that place. There correctional Center looks like a resort! (compared to sheriff Joe Arpioes standards here in AZ)
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lmfao @ sam ingram. I was sayin the exact same thing too after I read this
maybe if I was high all the time I'd be professional wakeboarder too...
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That's because he was high all the time... and feels no pain...
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for someone who seems so smart about most topics, you could not be more ignorant with your statement here. the fact that you would even mention another wakeboarders name in this discussion shows how low you are willing to go to attract attention.
who knows, maybe Darin was associated to all this by his investments into the company. this story makes it seem like he was moving to hawaii, because of the raids in florida. he has had a home in hawaii for years, and if I am not mistaken, had been living there full time for at least the last 5 years.
or, he is just another scum bag drug dealer.
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I wonder if the fine reporters over at PBTV can get the inside scoop. If I remember correctly their top reporter was willing to go in chest deep to get an interview from the elusive Ben Horan.
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I've had several friends in SFL die from this. Karma is a b*tch. If he contributed knowingly, he'll get what's coming to him. Wake up everyone - this is an epidemic.
"Speedball" Really? Slang for IV heroin/coke mixture for those who don't know. Shoulda seen it coming a long time ago.
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@train you and everyone else cant tell me you didnt think what Sam said at least for a second, as a joke obviously.
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"i was prescribed Oxycontin after my ACL surgery, I dont understand whats so great about them"
same here, after a couple muscles in my shoulder were completely torn apart, the pain only subsided for two hours when I took the pills, so thats when I could sleep. Never felt the need I had to take it but I never took more than what was prescribed. If i would have taken them to stop the pain I would have to take them every two hours and if I would have done that I would have been a total zombie!
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for someone who seems so smart about most topics, you could not be more ignorant with your statement here. the fact that you would even mention another wakeboarders name in this discussion shows how low you are willing to go to attract attention.
who knows, maybe Darin was associated to all this by his investments into the company. this story makes it seem like he was moving to hawaii, because of the raids in florida. he has had a home in hawaii for years, and if I am not mistaken, had been living there full time for at least the last 5 years.
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Now that's funny... It is not like the wakeboarding industry isn't filled with druggies and spoiled punks. A couple summers ago at brostock or whatever it is called, at Lake Powell, I saw three professional wakeboarders so high that one guy tripped and fell on a threshold and couldn't get back up, another caught his hoodie on fire with his cigarette, and the third sprayed himself in the face with a fire extinguisher. All three were top rated pros, and one went to the emergency room in Page. I saw another beloved pro do a line of coke off his new signature model wakeboard in Havasu.... yes, he has knee problems now, some call him the godfather. IMO it is perfectly on topic to bring Randall in to the discussion, he is a full blown heroin addict... If Oxy and herion don't belong in the same discussion then my bad... I'll try watch what I say about spoiled punks behaving badly...
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You know Train, all I can say about that statement is, if you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen! I've been through a lot of stuff and I'm not an addict... it's a choice, just don't do drugs and I am pretty sure you won't become an addict.
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You know Train, all I can say about that statement is, if you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen! I've been through a lot of stuff and I'm not an addict... it's a choice, just don't do drugs and I am pretty sure you won't become an addict.
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Is this how you feel about alcoholics too?
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02-08-2012, 5:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SamIngram
You know Train, all I can say about that statement is, if you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen! I've been through a lot of stuff and I'm not an addict... it's a choice, just don't do drugs and I am pretty sure you won't become an addict.
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This is what you get when you think everyone in the world is just like you. It doesn't work that way.
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02-08-2012, 6:11 PM
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Originally Posted by juniorhawk
Is this how you feel about alcoholics too?
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Coming from a long line of alcoholics, YES!
Ten out of twelve of my dad's siblings are full blown alcoholics. Everyone one of my first cousins, all 27 of them, on his side of the family is a full blown alcoholic too. My sister and I are not, mainly because we chose not to drink.
Therefore, yes, I feel the same way. If you don't drink you won't be an alcoholic.
It seems like a lot of people in our society have forgotten something called personal accountability! You are responsible for your actions, no one else. If you do drugs or alcohol and become an addict, it is your fault. It is a choice. People who say it is a disease say so because they have to blame someone.
I am not responsible for you, your actions, your healthcare, your welfare, your retirement, or any other choice that you make. It all comes down to one of Aesop's Fables, The Grasshopper and the Ant.
You get what you deserve in life, nothing less, nothing more.
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02-08-2012, 6:12 PM
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This is what you get when you think everyone in the world is just like you. It doesn't work that way.
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What are you saying? I will become a drug addict even if I don't do drugs? Hmm... okay, thanks!
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02-08-2012, 6:34 PM
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I understand that you guys ( John and Sam) always like to voice your sides/opinions on the forums and by no means more power to you two, but what I don't understand is how you two can handle each other on here
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02-08-2012, 6:36 PM
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I understand that you guys ( John and Sam) always like to voice your sides/opinions on the forums and by no means more power to you two, but what I don't understand is how you two can handle each other on here
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It all comes down to age... both of us are probably two senile to remember what I posted last...
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02-08-2012, 6:38 PM
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Wow! Calling everyone out aren't we?
I think the state of Florida and the FDA are responsible for the prescription drug (oxycodone in particular) epidemic in Florida, not guys like Darin. It has gotten way out of control and it seems that nobody is trying to do anything to turn the situation around. This has been going on in Florida for quite sometime now. I don't agree with what Darin did and none of us know the whole story but something needs to be done to regulate prescription drugs in Florida.
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02-08-2012, 6:39 PM
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There is a lot of ignorance in this thread.
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02-08-2012, 6:39 PM
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¡Jajajajaja!
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02-08-2012, 6:45 PM
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I have been reading this and it;s absolutely ridiculous.
To those of you bragging about taking 5mg hydrocodone after ACL surgery and not becoming addicts… congratulations, call your mom. This was NOT what Darren was selling but its not worth going into.
To the guy who says you don't become an addict if you don't use/drink…. true, you don't get physically addicted but the disease goes so much deeper. This too is not worth going any deeper into for there are people by the thousands (thanks to people like Darren Shapiro) who are willing to listen respectively and try anything suggested because no other expiation has worked (and believe me they have tried them all).
For me it took stepping off my high horse to realize some things in life.
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02-08-2012, 6:57 PM
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Sam,
So, because you come from a family of addicts, this gives you the right to slander people you do not know on a public forum? Interesting. And to think i thought of myself as an elitist! Wow. You really took the cake.
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02-08-2012, 6:57 PM
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Wow! Calling everyone out aren't we?
I think the state of Florida and the FDA are responsible for the prescription drug (oxycodone in particular) epidemic in Florida, not guys like Darin.
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I have been reading this and it;s absolutely ridiculous.
This was NOT what Darren was selling but its not worth going into.
This too is not worth going any deeper into for there are people by the thousands (thanks to people like Darren Shapiro) who are willing to listen respectively and try anything suggested because no other expiation has worked (and believe me they have tried them all).
For me it took stepping off my high horse to realize some things in life.
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Yes, I am sure it is not Darin or Darren's fault... He is a good guy and has obviously been framed by the corrupt pharmaceutical industry and the FDA in Florida!
And this is why we have zero personal accountability in our society, because people won't hold their peers accountable...Why hold yourself accountable if your peers won't. It is never anyone's fault, and no one should be accountable for their mistakes! They are mistakes after all...
The only way I am going to fall off my high horse is if I magically become an alcoholic, by not drinking, get drunk and fall off. Everyone knows that when I fall I'll become addicted to the pain killers I refuse to take... gosh darn-it, I'm so screwed!
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02-08-2012, 6:58 PM
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Sam,
So, because you come from a family of addicts, this gives you the right to slander people you do not know on a public forum? Interesting. And to think i thought of myself as an elitist! Wow. You really took the cake.
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Telling the truth is not slander...
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02-08-2012, 7:44 PM
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Never said darren wasn't at fault. I don't agree with it one bit. The FDA allows oxycontin to be prescribed in Florida on a mass scale and these so called pain clinics are who distribute them. So its not like he was out in the streets selling the pills for $1 on the mg. Who do you think is ultimately responsible for the epidemic.....the middleman or the supplier/manufacturer? I think the answer to that should be pretty obvious.
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02-08-2012, 8:29 PM
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What Darin did was wrong and harmful to society on a very large scale, and he deserves to be punished for it.
I'd like to think that he realizes this. I have never had the pleasure of meeting Darin, but if you watch his interviews in films like Such is Life, you'll see that Darin is a smart guy with a good understanding of the way the world works. He is also a man. He understands what it means to choose his own path in life and suffer the consequences.
Darin made his decision, and it was wrong. I'd like to think that if he had a voice here, he wouldn't blame anyone else but himself.
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