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Old    Cole K (SkySki)      Join Date: Feb 2010       11-11-2011, 4:52 PM Reply   
I am starting my hunt for a newer boat. Sold my 27 foot Crownline two summers ago and have been regretting it ever since. So, I need some help. I am in Phoenix, AZ and looking for a 23 foot v-drive. I want something that is 2005 and newer. Has to be a v-drive with wrap around seating. Must be 100" wide at a minimum. It has to have a light color interior - whiter the better (phx sun is brutal). No dark color boats either, and no red. I can't believe how many boats for sale right now are red. So, price - $45000 or lower, preferably lower. I am willing to travel a 1000 mile radius for the right boat (last four boats I have bought in California). I am aware of boulder boats and all of the Phoenix boats. Also seen some in Utah that are interesting. If anyone sees anything interesting, please post up a link. Thanks for the help. I need this by February 2012.
Old    Razzman (razzman)      Join Date: Dec 2006       11-11-2011, 5:45 PM Reply   
check out onlyinboards.com
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       11-11-2011, 6:01 PM Reply   
Is 24', navy hull sides and the Seattle area ok? Sick surf boat for sure.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/boa/2696891693.html

more
http://onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=31154

http://onlyinboards.com/Advanced-Sea...ords=&State=-1

http://onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=30682

http://onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=26405

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/boa/2691325651.html

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/boa/2687079389.html

Not sure what color but this is a good deal
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/2691854027.html

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/boa/2667119817.html

http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/boa/2629485683.html

Does maroon count as red
http://boise.craigslist.org/boa/2644702835.html

http://denver.craigslist.org/boa/2607349797.html

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/boa/2686790599.html

very nice and under budget
http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/boa/2696459557.html
Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       11-12-2011, 4:48 PM Reply   
http://www.centurioncrew.com/index.p...n-w-sideswipe/

http://spokane.craigslist.org/boa/2610094221.html

http://www.olingermarine.com/new_veh...44&pov=2347114
Old    Cole K (SkySki)      Join Date: Feb 2010       11-12-2011, 8:45 PM Reply   
Great. Keep them coming. There are about 10 of those I had not seen before.
Old    Kevin Skonnord (kskonn)      Join Date: Mar 2011       11-12-2011, 9:03 PM Reply   
I almost could have offered you a boat, I have an 03 X30 I am selling.

good luck with you search.
Old    Brian (Woody)      Join Date: Mar 2010       11-13-2011, 2:37 AM Reply   
Anybody ever go and look at this boat?


http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac...684454285.html
Old     (packrat)      Join Date: Mar 2005       11-13-2011, 9:45 AM Reply   
You didn't say what you would be using the boat for mostly. That would make a difference as to which boat to steer you towards. If you are just Ski Skiing and wakeboarding that would be one type of boat. If you are wakesurfing mostly that would be another type of boat. Just a thought anyway.
Old    Cole K (SkySki)      Join Date: Feb 2010       11-13-2011, 5:57 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by packrat View Post
You didn't say what you would be using the boat for mostly. That would make a difference as to which boat to steer you towards. If you are just Ski Skiing and wakeboarding that would be one type of boat. If you are wakesurfing mostly that would be another type of boat. Just a thought anyway.
That's a great point. I am into Sky Skiing and my wife is into wake boarding. I really want to try surfing this summer. I think I want a boat with a wedge, but have never been behind a boat with one to say for sure. Most of the boats I am looking at have a wake plate, only a few with the wedge. Honestly, I am not a pro at anything. I just like having fun on the water. I probably know more about what I don't want than what I want. Just looking for a good deal on a boat that fits in my garage that has the interior room I need and looks good while doing it all. How hard can that be to find?
Old    Adam Perez (adamp)      Join Date: Mar 2011       11-13-2011, 10:13 PM Reply   
Too bad, I have a 2004 Wakesetter 23 LSV im selling for a friend

-200 hours
Tower
4 tower speakers
6 tower lights (1 broken)
340 LCR
Custom flames in gel coat- he was a gel coater for Malibu (to match his harley edition f150)
Stainless steel emblems (found on new bu's)
Sony Stereo
Carpet Saver
Center Ballast Tank
Perfect Pass
Swimstep Ladder (optional in newer bu's)
Fiberglass swimstep
Manual Wedge
Bimini Top
Tandem Axle Trailer
Transom Stereo Remote
6 Sony Interior Speakers
2007 Wakesetter Decals

asking $37k OBO





if you're interested, which I don't think you would be by your post.... shoot me an email... malibu_adam@yahoo.com (I figured id throw it out there for ya just in case)

Last edited by adamp; 11-13-2011 at 10:15 PM.
Old    Jason Buffalow (buffalow)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-14-2011, 8:00 AM Reply   
You are not to far off a brand new MB - Might be worth a look anyways - Maybe they have a 2010 or 2011 they are getting rid of it. Probably more in the 21' price range, but worth a shot.

Otherwise onlinboards.com is the place to go.
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       11-14-2011, 9:26 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by buffalow View Post
You are not to far off a brand new MB - Might be worth a look anyways - Maybe they have a 2010 or 2011 they are getting rid of it. Probably more in the 21' price range, but worth a shot.

Otherwise onlinboards.com is the place to go.
I was thinking this as well. Plus an MB 21' boat is has the interior space of a lot of 22-23' boats. It also looks to be a nice deep hull that rides good in rough water if that is important.
Old    Tim C (lifetimewarranty)      Join Date: Oct 2008       11-14-2011, 12:00 PM Reply   
New Malibu V Ride 23'?
Or a New Sanger V237?

How about someone (who knows) post some prices on the new mb's? I would believe that Sanger's are less than MB's and the V-ride is about 50k...but none of these companies put prices it seems.

At 45k, he may just want to go new...but then again, once you add full wetsounds, and whatever other options, what does that MB really cost?
Old    Tim C (lifetimewarranty)      Join Date: Oct 2008       11-14-2011, 12:04 PM Reply   
Just noticed MB actually puts prices...and it appears that 63k is the entry boat price...
Old    Kevin Skonnord (kskonn)      Join Date: Mar 2011       11-14-2011, 7:31 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by lifetimewarranty View Post
Just noticed MB actually puts prices...and it appears that 63k is the entry boat price...
I guess they are not that far off from the big 3. I just bought a new 2011 Mastercraft for less than that. Was that list price for the MB?

Last edited by kskonn; 11-14-2011 at 7:33 PM. Reason: changing post
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       11-14-2011, 8:01 PM Reply   
What 2011 MAstercraft did you get for around 60k? How was it equipped?
Old    Kevin Skonnord (kskonn)      Join Date: Mar 2011       11-15-2011, 6:47 PM Reply   
Mastercraft X2.
ballast, zero off, I got it without the touch screen, just old fashioned gages, Attitude plate, fly high system, standard stereo(upgraded after the fact), dual batteries, tower, swivel clamp style board/surf racks, pretty much the baseline most basic X2 you can find. Pic below of the boat I bought.

Old    Nick911            11-15-2011, 7:25 PM Reply   
Beauty for 60K. Factory order 2012's were at 72 loaded, minus pro package (7K) and a couple other options, 60K is about where you'd end up at. You could prob order a X25 bare bones for 70K.
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       11-15-2011, 7:26 PM Reply   
wow, I think you got a really good deal. I doubt 60k for that boat is normal. I would guess that is around 80k in Seattle and maybe down to 70k at the end of the year. A similar equipped Tocmat 21 or TWB21 was probably mid 50's-60 during the season and probably around 50k at the end of the season.

Great looking boat.
Old    Kevin Skonnord (kskonn)      Join Date: Mar 2011       11-16-2011, 7:24 AM Reply   
Thanks for the compliments.

I probably did get a good deal, end of season, it was the 2011 not the 12.

The 12's went up I believe 12%.

My main surprise was that I always hear how some other boats are 20-30k less expensive than Mastercraft, when I saw the price of the other boats I was just surprised.

I suppose I should just take my good deal and enjoy the lake.
Old     (newwhit)      Join Date: Mar 2007       11-16-2011, 8:42 AM Reply   
Cole K,

I was just up to REBOATS UTAH. They have some SWEET MB boats that are in your price range (especially their demo 2012 boat). They are some of the nicest down to earth dealers I have ever met. 801-224-6333 www.reboatsutah.com
Old    Cole K (SkySki)      Join Date: Feb 2010       11-16-2011, 12:06 PM Reply   
Thanks for all of the replies. I have been to all of the boat dealerships here in town (last three days). Nothing local that I think is worth it. I think I am going to try and head up to boulder boats in Nevada next week. I still have a few more months. Hopefully something will pop up soon. Again, thanks and keep them coming. Funny how I look and look and then someone posts something I have never seen.
Old    Cole K (SkySki)      Join Date: Feb 2010       11-16-2011, 12:11 PM Reply   
Forgot to mention in the last post - after showing my wife the difference between 98ish inches to 102 inches, I now know 102 inches is for us.
Old    Drew Richardson (surffresh)      Join Date: Jun 2010       11-16-2011, 12:55 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by lifetimewarranty View Post
Just noticed MB actually puts prices...and it appears that 63k is the entry boat price...
MSRP is 63,995 but....nevermind....and those are HUGE 21 footers that come pretty well loaded, 6 speaks,sub, amp, 1800lbs of ballast, bimini, travel storage cover, magnetic carpet and so on
Old    B Beasley (ProvoMB52)      Join Date: Nov 2011       11-16-2011, 1:14 PM Reply   
Don't get caught up in the MSRP shown on the MB site. It's "suggested, retail price." I know there are MB dealers making great deals on both new 2012's, and used boats as well. And I do believe if you were to contact Reboats, Utah, you'd be glad you made the call. They are great to work with, and will gladly give you the straight scoop on what can be done, and for what price.

Good luck in your search!
Old    Drew Richardson (surffresh)      Join Date: Jun 2010       11-16-2011, 2:27 PM Reply   
Wrong end of the country but I have the web site / brochure 2012 Tomcat F21 that was my demo this summer, loaded with WS tower speaks, underwater transome LED's, metal flake X and more at a deal real close, 85hrs, hit me up
Old    Eric (wakeboardin2k4)      Join Date: Sep 2006       11-16-2011, 3:23 PM Reply   
Check marinemax in Tempe. I met the owner and his son at the Malibu dealer meeting this weekend. Both really good guys. I'm sure they can help you find a 23 in your area
Old    Nick911            11-16-2011, 4:50 PM Reply   
Try MB Sport for your next purchase. MB boats throw world class wakes, are extremely big and roomy inside, and provide big three style and quality without the big three price. Reboats out of Utah would be glad to talk to you about your next boat purchase.
Old    Cole K (SkySki)      Join Date: Feb 2010       11-16-2011, 6:05 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by wakeboardin2k4 View Post
Check marinemax in Tempe. I met the owner and his son at the Malibu dealer meeting this weekend. Both really good guys. I'm sure they can help you find a 23 in your area
I went to Marinemax this weekend. I asked them if they had what I was looking for (23 foot) and they guy said "we don't have any more boats here that are 23 foot - they all went to Australia for some reason". They had a 21 foot boat that was old. I didn't let the guy pull the cover off. I have had good and bad luck with them. They took 4 months to get me a quote on my out-drive - in the meantime my boat filled up with water (boat cover collected it all and shredded). Other times, they are the only one with parts in stock. This is over the last few years.
Old    Kevin Skonnord (kskonn)      Join Date: Mar 2011       11-16-2011, 8:50 PM Reply   
I have never been in an MB boat. I don't believe there are any dealers around where I live, the market is pretty much saturated with MC, CC and Malibu. Quite a few supra's showing up the last few years as well.

Some day I am going to head out to where one of you guys live and get a ride behind an MB. With as much positive feedback as there is on this board I feel like I really need to at least ride behind one.
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       11-16-2011, 9:01 PM Reply   
This is the cheapest I've ever seen a 2010 malibu lsv... http://sacramento.craigslist.org/boa/2706236060.html
Old    B Beasley (ProvoMB52)      Join Date: Nov 2011       11-16-2011, 10:08 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by kskonn View Post
I have never been in an MB boat. I don't believe there are any dealers around where I live, the market is pretty much saturated with MC, CC and Malibu. Quite a few supra's showing up the last few years as well.

Some day I am going to head out to where one of you guys live and get a ride behind an MB. With as much positive feedback as there is on this board I feel like I really need to at least ride behind one.
Looks like MB of Texas, in Ft. Worth, would be the closest dealer to your area. Probably some demo days early next season that might be in your area with an MB, so you could take a ride. Give the guys at MB a call, or shoot them off an email, and see what next year's season looks like.

Check out the boat shows in your area as well.
Old    Drew Richardson (surffresh)      Join Date: Jun 2010       11-17-2011, 4:38 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by kskonn View Post
I have never been in an MB boat. I don't believe there are any dealers around where I live, the market is pretty much saturated with MC, CC and Malibu. Quite a few supra's showing up the last few years as well.

Some day I am going to head out to where one of you guys live and get a ride behind an MB. With as much positive feedback as there is on this board I feel like I really need to at least ride behind one.
Anyone interested in a MB test is welcome to come to Orlando, we have nice water and weather most of the year. A few on here have taken me up on it. I am heading out to the MB factory to see what's cooking in an hour. I will be back in action after Thanksgiving, have a nice holiday everyone !
Old    Tim C (lifetimewarranty)      Join Date: Oct 2008       11-17-2011, 9:32 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by surffresh View Post
anyone interested in a mb test is welcome to come to orlando, we have nice water and weather most of the year. A few on here have taken me up on it. I am heading out to the mb factory to see what's cooking in an hour. I will be back in action after thanksgiving, have a nice holiday everyone !
lucky!
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Old    Cole K (SkySki)      Join Date: Feb 2010       11-19-2011, 12:30 PM Reply   
Looks like I am going to head up to Vegas after Thanksgiving to look at a few boats (boulderboats.com). Maybe head to San Antonio to look at a boat as well after that. Still looking for boats
Old    Kevin Skonnord (kskonn)      Join Date: Mar 2011       11-20-2011, 9:35 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by SkySki View Post
Looks like I am going to head up to Vegas after Thanksgiving to look at a few boats (boulderboats.com). Maybe head to San Antonio to look at a boat as well after that. Still looking for boats
Let me know if you want to get out on the lake when you are in San Antonio, or if you need any direction on where to go look.

good luck
Old    Kody Oakes (chicksdigflips)      Join Date: Jul 2011       11-20-2011, 6:31 PM Reply   
Hey I could get you an EPIC 23v not to far from your asking price Let me know if you have any interest
email me
kody@chicksdigflips.com

epicboats.com

Kody
Chicksdigflips.com
Old    Cole K (SkySki)      Join Date: Feb 2010       11-20-2011, 7:10 PM Reply   
Is that the black one with the graphics for sale on chicksdigflips.com, or were you talking about a different boat?
Old    Cole K (SkySki)      Join Date: Feb 2010       11-28-2011, 9:01 PM Reply   
I have the plane tickets to go look at a few boats in Vegas, but then today I see there is a 2007 Malibu 23 LSV with decent hours a few blocks from me for $40K. Is this a good price? I did some quick searches on craigslist and boat trader. If it is in good shape and fits in my garage, I will probably buy it. Just looking for a price check.
Old    Cole K (SkySki)      Join Date: Feb 2010       11-28-2011, 9:07 PM Reply   
Looking at these as well...

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218...d=&search=tige

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac...704615404.html

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/2692115571.html

http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/boa/2690544578.html

http://lubbock.craigslist.org/boa/2714488424.html

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/boa/2673737547.html

http://tulsa.craigslist.org/boa/2661174916.html
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       11-28-2011, 10:41 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by SkySki View Post
I have the plane tickets to go look at a few boats in Vegas, but then today I see there is a 2007 Malibu 23 LSV with decent hours a few blocks from me for $40K. Is this a good price? I did some quick searches on craigslist and boat trader. If it is in good shape and fits in my garage, I will probably buy it. Just looking for a price check.
That is a smoking good deal unless there is something wrong. Does it have at least the 340hp motor, 4 tank ballast, wedge(power), diamond or wake hull?
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       11-28-2011, 10:47 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by SkySki View Post
Looking at these as well...

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218...d=&search=tige-Nice looking boat and pretty good price I think.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac...704615404.html-nice boat, not a great deal.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/2692115571.html-nice boat, not a great deal.

http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/boa/2690544578.html-Nice boat. Don't think it is a great deal though

http://lubbock.craigslist.org/boa/2714488424.html-more of a core wakeboard boat, don't know if it is a good deal or not

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/boa/2673737547.html-Sick deal on a really nice boat. This would be my choice as long as the engine is in good working order. It is an expensive caddy aluminum block. My buddy had an x45 and I loved it as a big party cruiser that worked well for some wakeboarding and can be an excellent surf boat with a lot of weight.

http://tulsa.craigslist.org/boa/2661174916.html
-like the other tige looks like a relaly nice boat and a pretty solid price.
Old    Cole K (SkySki)      Join Date: Feb 2010       11-29-2011, 8:07 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by polarbill View Post
That is a smoking good deal unless there is something wrong. Does it have at least the 340hp motor, 4 tank ballast, wedge(power), diamond or wake hull?
I know it has the power wedge, not sure of the other questions. I will find out today after noon when I go to look at it for myself.
Old    Mike Capuzzo (cccbuilders)      Join Date: Jun 2007       11-29-2011, 9:49 AM Reply   
Im in Phoenix, and was going put this up for $51k in Jan . It does not meet your criteria but i am local so im just throwing it out there.
2006 lsv, 400 hp, w/ every option. around the 200hr mark.
shoot me an email if you want ti check it out.
email: cccbuilders@msn.com
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Old    Cole K (SkySki)      Join Date: Feb 2010       11-29-2011, 5:21 PM Reply   
I am about to pass on the 2007 Malibu 23 LSV. I will post a link to it on Craigslist. My reason is my wife didn't feel warm and fuzzy about it. Now, before anyone says I am a jackass, let me tell you about the last time I bought something she didn't feel warm and fuzzy about. First, it was the brand new Honda Civic. It had 9 miles on it and I have never had a car in the shop more than that one. Biggest lemon I have ever had. There have been other times as well, but the last one was just 6 months ago. Droid X phone - had it replaced twice, kept on shutting down on it's own, kept on telling me I didn't have enough memory even though I had 8 extra gig's. So, I have learned that I get the final buy off from her before making large purchases. She is just lucky that way, like a rabbits foot or something.

Now, the boat - very good condition. It had just under 130 hours on the motor, 4 ballast tanks, hull had a few minor, minor scratches (looked like the carpet might need to be replaced on the bunks. Started right up and ran great. Checked the oil and it looked great. There was one minor 1/2 inch scratch on the rear seat, right next to the lower ski tow. Looked like it was repaired a little, but could be a little better. Other than that, it looked really good. As soon as I press post on here, I am going to send the guy a note saying I am passing. Hope this helps someone. Here is the link

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/boa/2725585699.html
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       11-29-2011, 9:47 PM Reply   
Cole, too bad that LSV is dead sexy. I would probably design one exactly like it as far as colors go. It has the wake hull, power wedge and 4 tank ballast. Those are the 3 main options. While the 340hp isn't really overpower it will be perfect for everything unless you decide to throw 4000 pounds in it. Even though I can't see them itsounds like the imperfections are pretty minor and things that are almost impossible to avoid.
Old    J D (jeff_mn)      Join Date: Jul 2009       11-30-2011, 7:24 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by SkySki View Post
I am about to pass on the 2007 Malibu 23 LSV. I will post a link to it on Craigslist. My reason is my wife didn't feel warm and fuzzy about it. Now, before anyone says I am a jackass, let me tell you about the last time I bought something she didn't feel warm and fuzzy about. First, it was the brand new Honda Civic. It had 9 miles on it and I have never had a car in the shop more than that one. Biggest lemon I have ever had. There have been other times as well, but the last one was just 6 months ago. Droid X phone - had it replaced twice, kept on shutting down on it's own, kept on telling me I didn't have enough memory even though I had 8 extra gig's. So, I have learned that I get the final buy off from her before making large purchases. She is just lucky that way, like a rabbits foot or something.

Now, the boat - very good condition. It had just under 130 hours on the motor, 4 ballast tanks, hull had a few minor, minor scratches (looked like the carpet might need to be replaced on the bunks. Started right up and ran great. Checked the oil and it looked great. There was one minor 1/2 inch scratch on the rear seat, right next to the lower ski tow. Looked like it was repaired a little, but could be a little better. Other than that, it looked really good. As soon as I press post on here, I am going to send the guy a note saying I am passing. Hope this helps someone. Here is the link

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/boa/2725585699.html
Damn.. That thing is fuggin SEXY...

Go scoop up that 245
Old    Jake Becker (jbeckerdc)      Join Date: Dec 2011       12-02-2011, 8:36 PM Reply   
Have a 2011 epic 23v I am selling for 45K like new let me know if you are interested.
jbeckerdc@gmail.com
Old    Cole K (SkySki)      Join Date: Feb 2010       12-03-2011, 4:49 AM Reply   
Quote:
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Have a 2011 epic 23v I am selling for 45K like new let me know if you are interested.
jbeckerdc@gmail.com
E-mail sent
Old    Scott R (ScottR)      Join Date: Aug 2011       12-06-2011, 6:56 AM Reply   
Since everyone else is trying to sell you a boat...

2012 Epic 23V with only 53 hours on it!! Email me if interested....

Scott.robinson.nysq@statefarm.com or text me 765-432-0099
Old    Cole K (SkySki)      Join Date: Feb 2010       12-06-2011, 8:28 AM Reply   
Scott - e-mail sent
Old    Cole K (SkySki)      Join Date: Feb 2010       12-19-2011, 10:43 AM Reply   
Still looking. Less boats getting listed in the last couple of weeks. I am headed to Vegas tomorrow morning to look at a couple.
Old    Cole K (SkySki)      Join Date: Feb 2010       12-20-2011, 3:23 PM Reply   
What a bust of a day. Looked at a few boats today at boulder boats. Looked great in pictures, needed a lot more work than I was wiling to put in. Seriously disappointed. Casino took a small fee too.
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       12-20-2011, 4:38 PM Reply   
Cole, it sounds like you and yoru wife are insanely anal and picky. I don't mean any offense by that by the way. You just sounds like someone who must take excellent care of their stuff and not willing to buy something that isn't really well cared for. It is goin gto be hard to find the size boats you are talking about, in the colors you want, in that kind of shape and at the price you want. You may be better off bumping your price range up a little and buying new. From your posts it jsut seems like you are going to be really unhappy with a used boat that has some imperfections. One thing I would adjust is your thinking that you just need something that is 23'. There are some manufacturers that make 21' boats(MB TWB or 21 tomcat, Calabria Pro V) that are the size of some others 23' boats. If you were to expand your price range to 50-60k I think you could open yourself up to any of the MB's, Axis A22, Moomba XLV, Sanger V237, Epic 23, maybe a Malibu Ride 23 and maybe a couple others. I just say that because then you can probably order the exact boat you want and it will be brand new. Even though I haven't done it for myself I have helped some people buy Mastercrafts and gone through the process of picking the model, picking colors, options, etc.. and then seeing it brand new. If you went this way you could probably go visit the factory and see yours or others built and speek to those directly involved.

Although I like the wedge I am not sure that would be at the top of my priority list. If it is the only boats you can look at are Malibu's and Axis'. A lot of these boats use different ballast systems in different weight amounts so some need extra weight, wedge and some don't.

The other advantage of buying a new boat is you may save yourself a lot of travel expenses. It sounds like you are spending a lot on traveling looking at boats. You might increase your budget to get new and not spend much more then you would for the perfect used boat with all the travel expenses. Just a thought.
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       12-20-2011, 5:04 PM Reply   
here are a couple of boats I foudn on onlyinboards that close to your price. One is brand new, the other is near new and the owner is on wakeworld. It sounds like he 100% babies his stuff.

IXFE's 21 Tomcat.
http://onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=30113

Another 21 Tomcat brand new.
http://onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=30832
Old    Jake Becker (jbeckerdc)      Join Date: Dec 2011       12-20-2011, 7:45 PM Reply   
2011 Epic 23V for 45K
HEre is some video of the boat email at jbeckerdc@gmail or call 423-432-4148 if interested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S57T5rb7CA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiZ-3pOu-qI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD6tDcR4mjc

Last edited by jbeckerdc; 12-20-2011 at 7:47 PM. Reason: 2011 epic 23v for sale 45K
Old    Cole K (SkySki)      Join Date: Feb 2010       12-21-2011, 8:23 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by polarbill View Post
Cole, it sounds like you and yoru wife are insanely anal and picky. I don't mean any offense by that by the way. You just sounds like someone who must take excellent care of their stuff and not willing to buy something that isn't really well cared for. It is goin gto be hard to find the size boats you are talking about, in the colors you want, in that kind of shape and at the price you want. You may be better off bumping your price range up a little and buying new. From your posts it jsut seems like you are going to be really unhappy with a used boat that has some imperfections. One thing I would adjust is your thinking that you just need something that is 23'. There are some manufacturers that make 21' boats(MB TWB or 21 tomcat, Calabria Pro V) that are the size of some others 23' boats. If you were to expand your price range to 50-60k I think you could open yourself up to any of the MB's, Axis A22, Moomba XLV, Sanger V237, Epic 23, maybe a Malibu Ride 23 and maybe a couple others. I just say that because then you can probably order the exact boat you want and it will be brand new. Even though I haven't done it for myself I have helped some people buy Mastercrafts and gone through the process of picking the model, picking colors, options, etc.. and then seeing it brand new. If you went this way you could probably go visit the factory and see yours or others built and speek to those directly involved.

Although I like the wedge I am not sure that would be at the top of my priority list. If it is the only boats you can look at are Malibu's and Axis'. A lot of these boats use different ballast systems in different weight amounts so some need extra weight, wedge and some don't.

The other advantage of buying a new boat is you may save yourself a lot of travel expenses. It sounds like you are spending a lot on traveling looking at boats. You might increase your budget to get new and not spend much more then you would for the perfect used boat with all the travel expenses. Just a thought.
Brett, I appreciate your advice. I am picky, but not overly picky. I am looking to buy a boat that is within 7 years old and finance it. This will be my 5th boat in 13 years. The boats I looked at yesterday was in need of the whole interior. Others may make the decision to buy it cheap and then redo the interior - I have gone down that road before. I will not go down that road again. The one main boat I was going to look at (http://www.boulderboats.com/new_vehi...25&pov=2220348 ), I started counting pieces that had the stitching that was coming apart or was about to start coming apart. I got up to 7 pieces, came to the dash and it too had cut marks about 1/2 inch in size. Seats are one thing, the dash is another. Seriously, how does someone get cuts in the dash? Fight club on the boat? The boat had a closed cooling system which would be a plus. I could see water in the bilge from the front ski locker to the v-drive but couldn't get in to the ski locker to see what the deal was. The hatch wouldn't come off. That leads me to the rear hatches covering the engine/storage lockers. The first thing I noticed was they were not aligned. The engine hatch had a 2 inch gap on one side and no gap on the other. The drivers side hatch had a 1 inch gap all along the side and the passenger side had no gap. The boat is a 2005 with 560+ hours. I expect some stuff, but the dash and panel alignment and the work I would have to do were just too much.

They had this boat (http://www.boulderboats.com/new_vehi...79&pov=2435626 ) that I looked at. Red and 22 foot, not what I was looking for, but I was there. I don't know what someone was thinking, but the fiberglass near the drivers side walk through had huge scratches that went through the red and into the white fiberglass. The scratches were on both sides but mainly on the drivers side and are 2 feet long. Who does that? How does someone see that start and then change their ways?

The third boat was (http://www.boulderboats.com/pre_owne...R0&veh=2315985 ) and was in fairly good shape. The main problem with it was the tower has a crack at the weld on the top of the tower. You could try and weld it again, but it will forever stick out like a sore thumb. The only other thing I didn't like about it was it felt really cheap. I have owned a couple of Sangers (old flat bottom v-drives), but this boat just felt like a Bayliner inside the interior.

As to the other points, I don't think I will change my standards. I think a boat for the price range I am looking at should be well kept and not need a bunch of work for me to use it. I am not looking at the 10-15k range here, I am looking at 7 year old and newer boats in the 35-45K range. I also do not think I should pay more than I can afford and get a 2 foot shorter boat to boot. I may have to wait a couple more months and fly around looking at boats, but that is still cheaper than paying 10k more and not getting the size I want. I have been through this before and I know I will have to wait a little longer. I really did look at everything you mentioned before I got into this. I decided back that I would not compromise and I will get exactly what I want or I won't buy. It's winter and this is just how it goes. Always has, probably always will.

Last edited by SkySki; 12-21-2011 at 8:28 AM. Reason: Added links
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       12-21-2011, 8:30 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by SkySki View Post
Brett, I appreciate your advice. I am picky, but not overly picky. I am looking to buy a boat that is within 7 years old and finance it. This will be my 5th boat in 13 years. The boats I looked at yesterday was in need of the whole interior. Others may make the decision to buy it cheap and then redo the interior - I have gone down that road before. I will not go down that road again. The one main boat I was going to look at (http://www.boulderboats.com/new_vehi...25&pov=2220348 ), I started counting pieces that had the stitching that was coming apart or was about to start coming apart. I got up to 7 pieces, came to the dash and it too had cut marks about 1/2 inch in size. Seats are one thing, the dash is another. Seriously, how does someone get cuts in the dash? Fight club on the boat? The boat had a closed cooling system which would be a plus. I could see water in the bilge from the front ski locker to the v-drive but couldn't get in to the ski locker to see what the deal was. The hatch wouldn't come off. That leads me to the rear hatches covering the engine/storage lockers. The first thing I noticed was they were not aligned. The engine hatch had a 2 inch gap on one side and no gap on the other. The drivers side hatch had a 1 inch gap all along the side and the passenger side had no gap. The boat is a 2005 with 560+ hours. I expect some stuff, but the dash and panel alignment and the work I would have to do were just too much.

They had this boat (http://www.boulderboats.com/new_vehi...79&pov=2435626 ) that I looked at. Red and 22 foot, not what I was looking for, but I was there. I don't know what someone was thinking, but the fiberglass near the drivers side walk through had huge scratches that went through the red and into the white fiberglass. The scratches were on both sides but mainly on the drivers side and are 2 feet long. Who does that? How does someone see that start and then change their ways?

The third boat was (http://www.boulderboats.com/pre_owne...R0&veh=2315985 ) and was in fairly good shape. The main problem with it was the tower has a crack at the weld on the top of the tower. You could try and weld it again, but it will forever stick out like a sore thumb. The only other thing I didn't like about it was it felt really cheap. I have owned a couple of Sangers (old flat bottom v-drives), but this boat just felt like a Bayliner inside the interior.

As to the other points, I don't think I will change my standards. I think a boat for the price range I am looking at should be well kept and not need a bunch of work for me to use it. I am not looking at the 10-15k range here, I am looking at 7 year old and newer boats in the 35-45K range. I also do not think I should pay more than I can afford and get a 2 foot shorter boat to boot. I may have to wait a couple more months and fly around looking at boats, but that is still cheaper than paying 10k more and not getting the size I want. I have been through this before and I know I will have to wait a little longer. I really did look at everything you mentioned before I got into this. I decided back that I would not compromise and I will get exactly what I want or I won't buy. It's winter and this is just how it goes. Always has, probably always will.


Fair enough, I was just throwing out ideas. Sounds to me like your perfect boat would be a Malibu 23LSV or Vride 23. They are the only 23' boats that have the wedge.
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       12-21-2011, 9:07 AM Reply   
You may have to open up the distance a little and look nation wide. Some 23' malibus

Vride for 50. Maybe talk down to 45k. Far Away
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...ride-100726093

Kind of weird colors but in utah.
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...3-Lsv-99739667

nice looking boat, a little overpriced I think.
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...-Lsv-100146487

Nice looking light colored boat, ok price. Low hours, west coast.
http://onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=31154
Old    Cole K (SkySki)      Join Date: Feb 2010       12-21-2011, 9:20 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by polarbill View Post
You may have to open up the distance a little and look nation wide. Some 23' malibus

Vride for 50. Maybe talk down to 45k. Far Away
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...ride-100726093

Kind of weird colors but in utah.
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...3-Lsv-99739667

nice looking boat, a little overpriced I think.
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...-Lsv-100146487

Nice looking light colored boat, ok price. Low hours, west coast.
http://onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=31154
I had not seen that v-ride or the yellow Malibu. The Malibu with the weird colors on the interior has had a bunch of repair work if I remember right. I think it was wreaked and then during the repair the newer tower was added. I can't remember if I saw that one on craigslist or onlyinboards. The last one has been on my radar. I was just in Monterey a couple of months ago. Wish I would have been looking back then, could have stopped by. I am not locked into the wedge, just thought it would be nice to have as an option.

Showed the wife the yellow Malibu - might have to make a trip to my cousins (he lives in Havasu).
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       12-21-2011, 9:28 AM Reply   
I don't think you are gonna beat that white 07 for $40k.
Old    Jay (ironj32)      Join Date: Jan 2007       12-21-2011, 12:43 PM Reply   
You may or may not already have considered this, but if you could stretch your budget out to $52-55k, you could maybe get into an 2008/2009 Super Air Nautique 230....it's an amazing machine.
Old    Brendan (kybool)      Join Date: Aug 2004       12-21-2011, 1:15 PM Reply   
One more vote for the white '07 Bu, beautiful boat. Made me warm and fuzzy.
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       12-21-2011, 1:39 PM Reply   
Like Jay said, if you can find a Nautique 230 or 236(same boat) for 45-50 that would be a great option.

Here is one in North Carolina
http://onlyinboards.com/Advanced-Sea...ords=&State=-1

Some Supra 24SSV's in your price range
http://onlyinboards.com/Advanced-Sea...ords=&State=-1

A 24 Sunsport that is up by me
http://onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=26405

Tige RZ4's
http://onlyinboards.com/Advanced-Sea...ords=&State=-1

Tige 24V's and VE's
http://onlyinboards.com/Advanced-Sea...ords=&State=-1

Mastercraft X30's, the one in utah looks nice.
http://onlyinboards.com/Advanced-Sea...ords=&State=-1

Calabria ProV's. They call them 23 or 24' but they are actually 21'6", Huge inside.
http://onlyinboards.com/Advanced-Sea...ords=&State=-1

Some nice Moomba XLV's
http://onlyinboards.com/Advanced-Sea...ords=&State=-1

A couple Epics
http://onlyinboards.com/Advanced-Sea...ords=&State=-1
Old    Cole K (SkySki)      Join Date: Feb 2010       12-21-2011, 6:38 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by polarbill View Post
Like Jay said, if you can find a Nautique 230 or 236(same boat) for 45-50 that would be a great option.

Here is one in North Carolina
http://onlyinboards.com/Advanced-Sea...ords=&State=-1

Some Supra 24SSV's in your price range
http://onlyinboards.com/Advanced-Sea...ords=&State=-1

A 24 Sunsport that is up by me
http://onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=26405

Tige RZ4's
http://onlyinboards.com/Advanced-Sea...ords=&State=-1

Tige 24V's and VE's
http://onlyinboards.com/Advanced-Sea...ords=&State=-1

Mastercraft X30's, the one in utah looks nice.
http://onlyinboards.com/Advanced-Sea...ords=&State=-1

Calabria ProV's. They call them 23 or 24' but they are actually 21'6", Huge inside.
http://onlyinboards.com/Advanced-Sea...ords=&State=-1

Some nice Moomba XLV's
http://onlyinboards.com/Advanced-Sea...ords=&State=-1

A couple Epics
http://onlyinboards.com/Advanced-Sea...ords=&State=-1
Brett, most of the links did not work, but I was able to look them up with the descriptions you gave. That 236 in North Carolina is sweet. I have sent the owner a message through the website. I am not into the seating in the sunsports - the idea is right but something about it doesn't work for me. I am currently going back through the list to see what else would work. Went and looked at a 2006 Correct Craft 220 and thought it was a good size as well. The boat was decent and close to my house at the Tige dealership. I think it was either left outside a lot or used in salt water though. Their was a lot of surface rust on the pop up cleats and some on the swing away board racks. The cleats were really bad with it. The prop had green spotting on it as well but the rudder looked fine. They want 46K for it as well and I think that is a little much. The other boats at 22 feet are better priced and newer with no rust. Nice boat otherwise and it helped me and my wife start really considering 22 foot boats.

Also went to a different dealer and am going to go look at a 2012 MB 21 Tomcat. They said they could get it ordered for $50K. They had none on the lot and I would need to see one in person to see if it was big enough. That is 5K more than I wanted to spend, but my wallet armor may be cracking a little. They also had a 2011 B52 Wide Body on the lot. It was really nice and they said they could come down to the lower 50K's. It was nice, but I already was over what I originally wanted to pay and over the 50K's is not going in the right direction.

Last but certainly not least I am still talking with Jacob on the his Epic. I think we are getting closer on that as well. I am not ready to sign the paperwork quite yet, but it is definitely one of the highest boats on the list.

Now I need to get back to the list you posted. Thanks again for the help.
Old    Cole K (SkySki)      Join Date: Feb 2010       12-22-2011, 4:44 PM Reply   
I think I have finally found the model boat I want. 2006 Nautique 220/230/236. I like the newer than 2006 as well, but the main factor I really like about the 2006 is the pods on both sides of the interior. I am still keeping an open mind, but these are really cool. I have found a few and am talking with a few people.

I had to pass on Jakes 2011 Epic today. There is no way it would fit in my garage. It is 90 inches with the tower folded and I will be using grease to get 86 inches to fit.
Old    Jay (ironj32)      Join Date: Jan 2007       12-22-2011, 4:55 PM Reply   
Each of those Nautiques are great boats. IMO the wake behind the 230/236 is a few notches better than the 220, but they are all still good. Check out the video of my girlfriend, friend and I....all the riding is behind a 230. I've been behind many many boats, both slammed and not slammed (XStar, X25, VLXs, LSVs, Axis's, Epics...the list goes on), and in my opinion the SAN 230 (236 is the same hull) tops them all (both wake and surf). Yes, I know that opinions on wake are very subjective, and mine is no different...I just think it's a perfect blend of rampy/vertical, and it gets BEEFY! You can see just how big it is at the 1:23 mark

http://vimeo.com/32010190

Not only is the wake phenominal, it also drives like a corvette and has room for many adults and kids.

Last edited by ironj32; 12-22-2011 at 4:59 PM.
Old    Jay (ironj32)      Join Date: Jan 2007       12-22-2011, 5:16 PM Reply   
Hopefully my last post doesn't come across as bashing those other boats wakes, as I definitely would be happy to ride and own all of them! Just was trying to give a good illustration of what I think of the 230 wake.
Old    Chattwake (chattwake)      Join Date: Jan 2010       12-22-2011, 6:16 PM Reply   
I owned 3 230s. They are nice boats. The surf wake is really nice. The wb wake, in my experience, is temperamental if you add anything over 1k in extra ballast. If you do want a big wake out of a 230, you end up having to ride at like 26+ mph at like 85+ft. Otherwise, the wake tends to wash with a lot of weight. I was not willing to do that.

I really enjoyed my 230s, and had very few problem with them. I own an axis a22 now, and while the interior of this boat is not nearly as blinded out, it cost me half the price and the wb wake at 23.2 mph at 70-85ft is huge and clean with up to 4k over factory ballast.

Last edited by chattwake; 12-22-2011 at 6:20 PM.
Old    Jay (ironj32)      Join Date: Jan 2007       12-22-2011, 6:46 PM Reply   
Yea, my friend and I ride a little faster than most prefer...26.5 mph, however, we are riding at 90ft with 5000 lbs of ballast. My girlfriend rides at about 23.7-24 mph at 70-75ft (depends on far she's bootin or if she's trying TS jumps) with 3750 lbs of ballast...no issues with wash...just took us a few sets in the beginning to find the configuration that works for her.
Old    Cole K (SkySki)      Join Date: Feb 2010       12-23-2011, 7:39 PM Reply   
Ok, I am really starting to narrow down the options. Here is what I am looking at right now. I don't think this thread has ever looked like it was going down the boat bashing - thanks to everyone's help with that. Hopefully this list doesn't make it go down that road. I am looking for help narrowing down the best options. I will list everything I know about the 4 boats below.

2005 Malibu 23 LSV - No Illusion tower (wife doesn't like it anyway) - close to my house (within 150 miles and in the same state) - manual wedge - 150ish hours - cheap speakers on tower (not sure what make) - 340 Monsoon - Cousin looking at boat on Monday (I may go look at it on Tuesday) = Asking 45K

2006 Nautique 220 - Next state over - 320ish hours - no tower speakers - 5.7 PCM - Pods on both sides (not sure what they are called) = Asking 45K

2008 Nautique 220 - East Coast - 330 Excalibur - Cheap tower speakers - Pod on one side - some warranty left = Asking 45K without a trailer

2006 Nautique 220 - Gulf Coast - 330 HP - 225 hours - No tower speakers - Pods on both sides = Asking 36.5K

2012 MB F21 Tomcat - Local Dealer - hard selling at 50K - Not sure if that is out the door number but is 5K over my target - full warranty - shorter than others I am looking at.

Last edited by SkySki; 12-23-2011 at 7:42 PM. Reason: Removed one line
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       12-23-2011, 9:41 PM Reply   
FYI, if you go malibu, you don't want an illusion tower. The titan tower is way better for a number of reasons.
Old    Chattwake (chattwake)      Join Date: Jan 2010       12-23-2011, 10:17 PM Reply   
^^^ what he said. Also, please demo these boats. The 220 is even worse about having a washy and temperamental wake when extra ballast is added.
Old    Cole K (SkySki)      Join Date: Feb 2010       12-26-2011, 4:06 PM Reply   
Still looking. I had high hopes for a 2005 Malibu in Havasu. Had my cousin go look at it today. He says there is a 2 foot scratch on the hull that is through the gel coat into the fiberglass. Also has the Malibu raised lettering coming off one side and the rear engine hatch needs to be replaced due to sun bleaching. Other than that he said it was clean. On the brighter side I didn't have to drive 6 hours round trip to find that out the hard way. At this rate I may be waiting until February and try and pick something up at the LA Boat show.
Old    Cole K (SkySki)      Join Date: Feb 2010       01-02-2012, 3:40 PM Reply   
Well, I just got back from the middle of nowhere AZ. Went to look at a 2008 Tige 24Ve for 48K. Had low hours and upgraded trailer to say the least. I offered him 44K and he wouldn't budge so I came home empty handed. I am headed out to Sacramento to look at a 2006 Nautique 220 on the 10th. After looking at the 24Ve, I might be wasting a trip. Hopefully I can look at a couple other boats while I am out there. I think I am going to stick to my original goal of a 23+ foot boat. Also I have increased my budget to 50K max.
Old    Rex Lex (rexlex01)      Join Date: Mar 2010       01-02-2012, 5:02 PM Reply   
Here is a good deal for 1/2 the price of others. 2004 Centurion
http://claz.org/boats.html?q=23%27+V+drive[/URL]
Old    Ryan B (ryadbl)      Join Date: Sep 2007       01-03-2012, 10:41 PM Reply   
pm sent
Old    Cody (loudontn)      Join Date: Feb 2005       01-04-2012, 7:16 AM Reply   
Been keeping up with this thread for a long time now, looking forward to seeing what you eventually find!
Old    Cole K (SkySki)      Join Date: Feb 2010       01-04-2012, 8:19 AM Reply   
Me too.

I am seriously considering the 2012 MB F21 Tomcat. Supposedly it has the same interior room as a 23 foot. I am supposed to go look at one next week (heard that for the last two weeks - sloppy local dealer), or I will go to the manufacture on the 10th when I am in California looking at boats.

I can't believe how much I have gone up on price and now looking at shorter boats on top of that. I think everyone on this site should put their boat up for sale this week so I can have a few more to choose from. That would help, and so would having a taller garage entry.

Anyone know if you can buy direct from MB, or do you have to go through the dealer? I would be able to pick it up from them and it would be nice if I didn't have to pay the dealer markup.

Anyone have or been in a 2012 F21 that can tell me if the size of the interior is truly the size of 23 foots? They are advertising the hell out of it that way and the local dealer is too.
Old    Cody (loudontn)      Join Date: Feb 2005       01-04-2012, 9:03 AM Reply   
I don't believe they'll sell directly because they don't want to affect the business of their dealers. You could probably work out picking the boat up yourself, however. Not sure if that's something I'd want to do if I were ordering a new boat, dealers usually have "dealer prep" they perform on the boat prior to handing it over to the customer. Dealer prep would (usually) include running the boat and making sure everything works, as well as getting it nice and pretty for you. If I were ordering a boat new I'd want the whole experience haha.

But, if you want an '05 Supra Launch 24SSV with 700+ hours you're welcome to mine for your ORIGINAL target price of $45k! What a deal! Pick up next week?

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