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Old    McGavin (Shooter)      Join Date: Apr 2010       12-14-2011, 7:49 PM Reply   
So let me get this straight, Mitt Romney & Newt Gingrich are the best the GOP has? We are still a year away from the presidential election and I can already tell its going to be ugly. Even as bad as Obama is, I'm not sure which idiot is the worst.

I know they say it's not possible, but let's hope Ron Paul wins the republican primary.
Old    Mik (norcalrider)      Join Date: Jun 2002       12-14-2011, 9:39 PM Reply   
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...but let's hope Ron Paul wins the republican primary.
+1
Old    Makaveli (no_tools)      Join Date: Apr 2007       12-14-2011, 10:40 PM Reply   
lets face it. our prez has power but who does he owe for that power? our system is screwed. something very bad has to happen for our country to change. dems or re-pubs. same people. i also like ron paul but dont like his foreign policy. im sure he doesnt have the pull to make much of a change.
Old    Makaveli (no_tools)      Join Date: Apr 2007       12-14-2011, 10:41 PM Reply   
one can only hope though.
Old    Jason G (jason_ssr)      Join Date: Apr 2001       12-15-2011, 5:33 AM Reply   
Lets say you are job hunting. You are a very bright individual whose talent and charisma are only surpassed by your intelect in regards to relating to people, finances, and diplomacy. You would make the ultimate leader at any level. Why in the world would you waste that talent for $400k a year? What does $400k get you in the real world? A guy who runs a successful used car lot... A guy that runs a good machine shop.... Maybe a high level MLM scammer...

What does your average Fortune 500 company offer for top CEO talent? Shouldnt that figure pail in comparison to running the #1 WORLD SUPERPOWER!

The presidency is a job. How can you offer middle management compensation and expect CEO talent?
Old    Wes (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       12-15-2011, 7:40 AM Reply   
No pres ever wants for money after leaving office. The salary isn't a big deal. The stress probably is...
Old    Train (ttrigo)      Join Date: Dec 2004       12-15-2011, 7:47 AM Reply   
People dont run for pres for the money, at least not up front anyways. Imagine the ego boost you would get by running the most powerful nation on earth!
Plus, after your term is up, the speaking fee's go waaaay, waaaaay up.
Old    Jason G (jason_ssr)      Join Date: Apr 2001       12-15-2011, 8:10 AM Reply   
No, most had some money before office. I cant think of any that "earned" $100mm+ (though there were some who prob had access to it, like JFK). Heck today we fire CEOs and their severance is over $100mm. Im just saying that it is a hard job and it doesnt have the package to attract our top talent.

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People dont run for pres for the money
Thats both good and bad. Sure ideally our brightest people would simply run for the office strictly out of service to our great nation. However, when you strip away the romance, it is a job. Im not sure we want people in there who dont care about their compensation who are just looking for the ego boost or notoriaty. I guess I would rather see someone in there hustling to get the will of the people put into motion and have some kind of monetary motivation. There is a reason companies pay for top quality leadership.
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       12-15-2011, 8:19 AM Reply   
CEO's wouldn't be getting that kind of money if the govt didn't give tax breaks for giving your money to wall street. And you can include defined benefit pension plans in that as well. It's corp welfare in the form of tax policy and a free wheeling fed reserve that creates this kind of obcene income, not actual talent in a true free market.
Old    McGavin (Shooter)      Join Date: Apr 2010       12-15-2011, 8:44 AM Reply   
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There is a reason companies pay for top quality leadership.
I see what you are getting at and agree that the system is broken, but disagree with why.

Few high paid CEO are worth the 100+ million they receive. Many CEOs bankrupt businesses and walk away rich. Running government like a business sounds good on the surface, but they are two different monsters. The checks and balances in government make it impossible to lead this country like a CEO. This is needed to protect us from the poor leaders since the stakes are so much higher.

There are many outstanding high ranking leaders in our military that barely make a middle-class paycheck. They are true leaders that deal in life not dollar signs. Our forefathers like Washington left their farms to lead this country only to return after. Politics was a service to the American people, not a way to become wealthy.

The problem is modern media, the cost of a campaign, the party system (republicans & Democrats) and special interest. It is no longer possible get elected unless you are bought and paid for. Agree or disagree with Ron Paul's policy, this is the main reason why he doesn't stand a chance.
Old    Jason G (jason_ssr)      Join Date: Apr 2001       12-15-2011, 8:48 AM Reply   
Im not really debating the "why", just showcasing the occupation landscape for those of that skillset. Those who truly have the capability are taking their talents to places with greater compensation offerings.
Old    Paul (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       12-15-2011, 10:23 AM Reply   
"CEO's wouldn't be getting that kind of money if the govt didn't give tax breaks for giving your money to wall street. And you can include defined benefit pension plans in that as well"

Thats pretty simplistic. They get paid in many different ways.
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       12-15-2011, 10:43 AM Reply   
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Thats pretty simplistic. They get paid in many different ways.
That's even more simplistic.
Old    Paul (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       12-15-2011, 12:09 PM Reply   
Why muddy the water.
Old    McGavin (Shooter)      Join Date: Apr 2010       12-15-2011, 11:06 PM Reply   
Anyone watch the debate? I feel Gingrich & Romney did not look good, but maybe I'm bias...Paul had some very good points, but his foreign policy maybe too radical...I think Huntsman sounded good.
Old    Jeremy (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       12-16-2011, 3:44 AM Reply   
Gingrich is too full of himself. I think he carries too much baggage to be a viable candidate. Huntsman is about the only one that seems more interested in helping the country as opposed to be in a pissing contest like Gingrich, Perry, and Romney. I just don't see the GOP winning the White House this time. They could have put forward a strong candidate and more than likely, would have run away with the White House.
Old    SamIngram            12-16-2011, 12:13 PM Reply   
Three cheers for the lightbulb!!

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