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Old    Ryan Virgil (Phoenix_Winch)      Join Date: Jan 2011       11-02-2011, 12:14 PM Reply   
I think we should all do Stage 2!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JlxbKtBkGM
Old    Michael Hunter (mhunter)      Join Date: Mar 2008       11-03-2011, 4:21 AM Reply   
Nice thought but misdirected . It wasn't the wall street banks that screwed us. It was and is the GOVERNMENT. Occupy wall street should be occupy Washington. I have no love for big banks but I still have a choice to use them or not. Its not them that is forcing their agenda on me.
Old    Someone Else (deltahoosier)      Join Date: Jun 2002       11-03-2011, 7:57 AM Reply   
You are not going to get anywhere. The Occupy people knowing vote for more government at every turn. It is the cornerstone of their existence.
Old    Paul (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       11-04-2011, 10:05 AM Reply   
http://www.breitbart.tv/i-am-the-1-w...ates-occupyws/
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       11-04-2011, 12:33 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by psudy View Post
This is the guy who predicted the housing bubble crash when people where poo-pooing him. Respect for that.

But I could bring him down by changing the tax laws that don't raise his taxes. He's is a recipient of corp welfare. Change the tax code to eliminate tax deductions for all types of pension contributions and he's go bust. So what if he employs 150 people who don't produce any product.
Old    Cory D (cadunkle)      Join Date: Jul 2009       11-05-2011, 3:35 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by mhunter View Post
Nice thought but misdirected . It wasn't the wall street banks that screwed us. It was and is the GOVERNMENT. Occupy wall street should be occupy Washington. I have no love for big banks but I still have a choice to use them or not. Its not them that is forcing their agenda on me.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Agree 100%.
Old    GD (diamonddad)      Join Date: Mar 2010       11-05-2011, 5:56 PM Reply   
Since when does the bill of rights include "freedom to occupy"? Imagine if the KKK or the HilterYouth or the SkinHeads or RadicalMuslimsForBinLaden occupied downtown for weeks, months or years. It should not be allowed for them nor the girl scouts. They should be forced to leave/return every day.
Old    Nick911            11-05-2011, 7:17 PM Reply   
I just dropped 90K on a new 2012 MC. I am not yet thirty. I go out, spend money, take risks, create jobs, and ultimately, create wealth in others. I am everything the occupy wall street people hate. While they live in their tents and spend my tax dollars on booze and 5 dollar lattes I am generating the very social support fabric that enables their tent-dwelling, hippiesque, rhetoric. So they want me to pay my fair share? I'll dump my cash into some t-bills and let them find their own work. It's time we stopped rewarding those who drink the water and start looking out for those who carry the water.
Old    Rich (digg311)      Join Date: Sep 2007       11-05-2011, 8:06 PM Reply   
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Originally Posted by mhunter View Post
Nice thought but misdirected . It wasn't the wall street banks that screwed us. It was and is the GOVERNMENT. Occupy wall street should be occupy Washington. I have no love for big banks but I still have a choice to use them or not. Its not them that is forcing their agenda on me.
Yes and no... You can't separate the big bank folks from the government folks. They are the same people. Big banks spend billions in lobby money... their executives are the people being appointed to council our elected officials... they also teach... which is another reason why the same philosophies of greed will continue.

Right now, you don't have any choice at all... their influence is affecting everything. They are absolutely forcing their agenda on you.
Old    McGavin (Shooter)      Join Date: Apr 2010       11-05-2011, 9:30 PM Reply   
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Since when does the bill of rights include "freedom to occupy"? Imagine if the KKK or the HilterYouth or the SkinHeads or RadicalMuslimsForBinLaden occupied downtown for weeks, months or years. It should not be allowed for them nor the girl scouts. They should be forced to leave/return every day.
Educate yourself...it's called the first amendment and it protects the KKK, girl scouts and occupy wall street.

If you want to ship them out, you will need to ship all the homeless out while you're at it.
Old    Scott (magicr)      Join Date: May 2004       11-05-2011, 11:31 PM Reply   
Hey Nick911, at least you don't have to worry about your socialized healthcare, lol.
Old    Someone Else (deltahoosier)      Join Date: Jun 2002       11-06-2011, 1:15 AM Reply   
Actually, the homeless are not allowed to occupy public parks either. There are laws against that and as of this date I do not know of a single constitutional challenge to the that law (especially that it is free speech).
Old    Nick911            11-06-2011, 5:40 AM Reply   
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Hey Nick911, at least you don't have to worry about your socialized healthcare, lol.
Elaborate...
Old    Scott (magicr)      Join Date: May 2004       11-06-2011, 11:22 AM Reply   
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While they live in their tents and spend my tax dollars on booze and 5 dollar lattes
Quite the broad brush, It's great to live in a country like Canada and don't have to worry that the Bank will come and take your house because you can't afford to pay the house payment, because of your medical woes. We have friends, (my wife works with this lady) she was diagnosed with Breast cancer last January, my wife as well as other fellow employees gave her some of their vacation days as she had not very many sick days built up. They got the Cancer, all in the clear, except in May her husband was diagnosed with Stage 4 Throat Cancer, he's self employed, so their main source of income dried up over night. He can't work and his wife is a Bank teller making $11.00 an hour.

We helped them move out of their house that they had lived in for 10 years, about a month ago to a crap hole 2 bedroom duplex, as they were forced to turn in the keys to their house to avoid foreclosure.

I don't hear a whole lot of financial suffering where people lose their homes because of the cost of healthcare in Canada. It happens all the time in the good ol USA.

I try to put into perspective that this is a Wakeboard site, and numerous people here seem to be removed from the financial suffering of a lot of us peons.
Old    Jason G (jason_ssr)      Join Date: Apr 2001       11-07-2011, 7:09 AM Reply   
Scott, thats its the problem with mixing welfare with capitalism. Charity is the job of the communities, not the fed. We should be using our money to help those truly in need in our communities with the money taken from us for welfare.

You also fail to mention those who come to the US for medical treatment because they need it in a timely manner, or they want it done with a certain amount of quality and precision.

Peons are peons by choice. I know, I am one of them. The joy of the peon life does have risk. We are expendable in the job market, and finances have slim margins. However, Im not going to work myself to death for financial gain, only to have life slip by unnoticed. I am going to roll the dice with the finances and live a fulfilled life below my means. Any of us can choose not to be peons at any time. You simply pour you life into an occupation that pays well.
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       11-07-2011, 7:16 AM Reply   
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I just dropped 90K on a new 2012 MC. I am not yet thirty. I go out, spend money, take risks, create jobs, and ultimately, create wealth in others.
Just saying you have money and spend it is not an indication that you produce or do anything of benefit to society. If you want to brag, you need to brag about how much the work you do is for the good of the America. For all I know you may scam old people out of their life savings.
Old    Brian Wynn (quik876)      Join Date: Mar 2010       11-07-2011, 7:27 AM Reply   
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I just dropped 90K on a new 2012 MC. I am not yet thirty. I go out, spend money, take risks, create jobs, and ultimately, create wealth in others. I am everything the occupy wall street people hate. While they live in their tents and spend my tax dollars on booze and 5 dollar lattes I am generating the very social support fabric that enables their tent-dwelling, hippiesque, rhetoric. So they want me to pay my fair share? I'll dump my cash into some t-bills and let them find their own work. It's time we stopped rewarding those who drink the water and start looking out for those who carry the water.
And there is absolutely nothin' wrong with people makin' a ton of money. offering a goods or service for a (fair) price, that is the basis of Capitalism, what the Occupy movement is gettin' wrong is thinkin' that the rich should pay in more on their taxes and "share the wealth" when that money can be used to create more jobs, which, in effect "shares the wealth". don't let it getcha down man, they have no clue. "For they know not what they do." keep doin' what yer doin' what the Occupy groups need to think about is how to get rid of these clampdowns that keep gettin' imposed on the businesses especially the smaller ones, and bring the outsourced jobs back home and start manufacturing instead of a constantly consuming cycle
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       11-07-2011, 7:57 AM Reply   
The wealthy in this country could have never gotten the wealth they have if it weren't for the govt's massive increase and debt and money expasion policies. We don't normally tax wealth except for estate taxes. The govt has a huge amount of debt being passed down to the next generation. Maybe we should start looking at much larger estate taxes along with controlling people taking their wealth out of the country. There are many sides to this coin.

Brain, I can't think of a more ironic claim that making a post like you made and then saying they don't have a clue. Clampdowns on small business are more likely at the state level than the fed. Of course the state can fund this regulation because of the money they get from the fed. When people start talking about regulation they are just as confused as the message from OWS. What you are most likely to get is less regulation for the largest richest most egregious polluters while still getting onerous regulations on small businesses.
Old    Jeremy (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       11-07-2011, 8:59 AM Reply   
Brian, you don't have a "clue" what you are talking about. Maybe you don't have a problem with a Wall Street CEO bankrupting his company along with financially ruining numerous investors, getting bailed out by the government, and then taking the money to give himself and other executives pay raises and bonuses for running said company into the ground; but some of us do. And when they speak of the wealthy, they aren't talking about Nick and his 90k MC or any other small business owner for that matter.
Old    Scott (magicr)      Join Date: May 2004       11-07-2011, 9:11 AM Reply   
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Peons are peons by choice.
That has to be one of the most absurd statements I've heard.

Problem is myself along with millions of others were not peons, until this economic downturn. Did all the people who lost everything in the1930s have a choice. Did the co-worker and husband of my wife have the choice to not get sick?

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Old    Someone Else (deltahoosier)      Join Date: Jun 2002       11-07-2011, 11:54 AM Reply   
Problem is Scott. You friends still had a roof over their head. I don't think you realize how people in Europe live. That ****ty little place you said they had to live in is how much of Europe lives everyday and it is still WAY better than the rest of the world lives. If you want to look at things objectively, did your friends have a lifestyle that caused the cancer? Throat cancer is usually associated with smoking or heavy drinking. Not saying they deserved it, but, there is usually more to the story. Sounds like you want a government that does not allow you to fail or makes sure you have a nice place to live? Well, then you will have to live and eat exactly the way they want you to in order to limit costs. Just because the cost of medical can be defrayed does not mean the people in Canada would still be able to have a job after they get sick.
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       11-07-2011, 12:11 PM Reply   
If you eat the way the govt tells you then expect to die early.
Old    Scott (magicr)      Join Date: May 2004       11-07-2011, 12:32 PM Reply   
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. Sounds like you want a government that does not allow you to fail or makes sure you have a nice place to live?
Not at all, but when I've played by the rules, I expect every other person to play by the rules, I don't see that in government or Big business.


Why should we shoot for living in the Sh!!ty Europe lifestyle, hell lets shoot for China's lifestyle, 3 dollars a day. Why are there surveys after surveys that say the happiest countries to live in are for the most part European socialist countries. Life is great here if you have money, not so much if you don't.

Also explain to me how we can ship our jobs to China an evil Communist country, but we don't to Cuba another evil communist country, because China can make so much more cheap crap for are Capitalist country.
Old    Jeremy (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       11-07-2011, 12:45 PM Reply   
Someone, since when was any part of Europe considered third world? Have you ever been anywhere in Europe? Are you simply recanting something you have heard?
Old    Jason G (jason_ssr)      Join Date: Apr 2001       11-07-2011, 2:08 PM Reply   
Scott, what does having an occupational choice have to do with choosing to get sick?

The point is, that we all have the option of insuring our financial well being. Your friends could have done the same. They could have obsessed over finances early on and gave themselves plenty of cushion. They could have slaved 80hrs a week from the time they got out of college and earned a fortune. However, they decided that that money wasnt worth the time and effort.

The risk they took in keeping their time and effort for themselves is financial instability in an tragic occurance. Thats the risk all peons take for the time with our families. Other people sell their souls to their employer for 80hrs a week. They have no time with their family, but they are secure financially. The risk they take is winding up wealthy and alone as life passed them by while they were working.

There is risk associated with either choice, and we have to accept those risks, but the great thing is we have a choice. So they have to move into a smaller house when tragedy strikes. thats hardly the worst thing they are going through. I may have to do the same thing one day, and it wont be the governments fault. It is the risk I take every day to only work 40 hrs a week and spend quality time with my family.
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       11-07-2011, 2:31 PM Reply   
Jason, you really only look at one side of the coin. Healthcare is significantly overpriced because of corp welfare and laws created to protect the industry and take away our rights under the guise of protecting us. We've priced healthcare out of reach of many people. Politics, special interests, and economics are so interwoven that it's not even possible to definitively argue how much responsibility the govt has taken on to provide for those who can't afford healthcare.

It's impossible to determine how much the concentrated wealth at the top is responsible for the enormous federal debt. But you can assume that those who have the most money are the most responsible for paying it off. That's a lot more logical than assuming it's the debt of the next generation. You can't even assume that society benefits from the efforts of those people who choose to work 80 hrs/week and ignore their family. Perhaps it's a disservice to the health of society.
Old    Scott (magicr)      Join Date: May 2004       11-07-2011, 2:45 PM Reply   
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They could have slaved 80hrs a week from the time they got out of college and earned a fortune.
How do you come up with the assumption that working 80 hours per week is the key to wealth? If you do, you and I live in very different worlds. I don't know or for that matter care what you do for a living, but if you think that just the hours that you work, is the bench mark of how wealthy you are, you are very naive to the plight of the vast majority of this country.
Old    Jason G (jason_ssr)      Join Date: Apr 2001       11-07-2011, 4:18 PM Reply   
John, I don't disagree, but it comes from our society messing with capitalism. In theory there should be a market for cheap healthcare. IMO MP insurance plays a large part (while not necessarily the largest in dollars, a large one in the consideration of risk). I believe restoring true capitalism is the answer.

Scott, certainly you know someone trying to amass wealth by either owning a business, or working at a high paying occupation. They don't work 40hrs a week. They don't go home and leave it at the office. I'm exposed to them every day and know the sacrifices they make. I didn't say 80hrs was the key to wealth, it's a byproduct most aren't willing to accept. Ask around here, there are a few.

I work in the finance\investment world.
Old    Jason Buffalow (buffalow)      Join Date: Apr 2002       11-14-2011, 1:35 PM Reply   
I was in Monterey this weekend and there is a Occupy wall street protest going on there. The city sued the people and they go to court today. It was crazy.

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