Finally got the 911 prop on my boat. I'll sack her out and put up some pictures. Interested to see what she looks like now that i'll be able to get on plane with weight I couldn't do that with before. It should build some Sanger pride.
Someday when I am super rich and powerful, I am going to design a true yacht that's hull is designed from the ground up for surfing! The thing is gonna throw a 8 foot wave! No reason you couldn't do it.
I have a new entry for consideration. Our Tige 24Ve is back from wakemakers, just yesterday. We had high hopes that the modifications we desired would do the trick. It blew away our expectations. We still have to work out some kinks in the electrical system but the work wakemakers did to get more weight in the lockers and get the weight all the way into the far rear corner, all the way to the transom, was outstanding. They had to move firewalls, batteries, etc, but did a pro job.
Here is a quote from Jason as to the ballast details:
The capacity of the custom bags ended up being approximately 1,450 pounds for the port locker, and 1,375 for the starboard locker. Those are actually loaded weights in the boat, taking into account the irregular shape of the lockers, so they should offer a fair bit more versus the bags you had in the boat, and we picked up approximately 150 pounds in the rear of each locker. We tried to get weight as far back in the boat as possible, since that's what you were looking for. I know we were shooting for sub-five minutes to fill, drain or transfer a bag, and we ended up with 50GPM, or 417 pounds per minute, so that should exceed the goal by a fair amount. As soon as we have a chance to test it I'll let you know, but it's looking good so far.
Here is a video Jason from wakemakers did to show the transfer time from one side to the other, 1500 lbs in 4 mins.
So the wake? Now many of the pictures above, including mine use different cameras and angles that help accentuate the wake, no harm there. The pictures of Chase above on our RZ2 are all genuine, but the real wide shots (last couple) were using a wide lens that make the wake look longer than it really is. It was very big and long that day, but the lens flatters it.
So for reference, here are a few pictures taken from the ballast boy seat, at eye level by me, with an iPhone 4. No attachments on the phone. Here is regular first. Rider is Mike Mandley who delivered our boat and we showed our appreciation with a ride. He was new, so we didn't adjust the wake while he was riding.
Lastly, I have been planning on doing some video blogs where its not so much a podcast, just me avoiding typing out a bunch of stuff. ;-) So I made this our first video blog and I show the progression of our Ve and compare to the RZ2 with the same cameras and angles.
This was our first 3 hour test, there is so much potential for adjustment and tuning. We only had 400 lbs up front, and the Ve can safely take more. No sacs on seat, all hidden. We will have video of Dennis on both sides in a couple of days. Man, lots of fun. Thanks to duffy for his project that gave me the confidence to hack up the back of the Ve to get this to work.
Hey Ragboy, thanks for this video it is very informative. On your 24VE with the new sacks can you tell me on the 400lbs in front bow was it a sack on the goofy side or one of those bow sacks that go in a V on both sides. I am very impressed with the goofy side wake on the 24VE with the new sacks. Also wanted to thank you for the video feeds at the last NWWSA event.
Great session today, Dennis came out and after we dialed in he was riding farther back then I have seen, at least on our boats. Thomas was riding back into no mans land and RJ was landing 360 after 360. If he messed one up a bit, he had plenty of time to recover and try again. Will post video tomorrow probably. Fun day, going out again tomorrow. The wake is really great, but the boat is slammed to get it that way on the 24.
Yes we do, and with the new mods, the wake is amazing. The only thing, is it is slammed to be able to do that. You really need a lot of weight on the 24, seems consistent with other 24s. We could only get about 1000 in the corner before and with that weight you could not add any weight to the front, and it was a nice wake, but lacked push. The RZ2 had lots more push. Now with the modifications we get about 1500 lbs in the corner, and 400 up front works great. Its slammed, but the wake is amazing. Big and LONG, way long. Watch the video. We have more video coming. We are going out every day this week, Dennis is here, Chris Martinez is coming up today for the weekend, we are RE breaking the sucker in and learning to dial it in with this new setup. On dennis second run we dialed it in for him, and he was just hanging out about 25 feet back or so. Pretty fun. You can see in the attachment it is slammed. School is in, midweek, no one is out, so its all good. But at this level I wouldn't consider it a "family" surf boat. The RZ2 takes that prize for us. Still lots of room, and when we weight the RZ2 for a great wake, its not slammed.
So here is a video still frame of the 24Ve slammed:
And this is what the RZ2 looked like weighted about the same angle:
when you say slammed.... i only calculated that to be 1900 lbs. it is for sure listed, no argument here on that. when we surf we are at 2500 to get to the rub rail (04 sante 210) and i here of guys running more than that.. i guess im just surprise that you call that slammed is all.
glad you dialed in the 24 Ve. But to be honest, I think you need to compare the last pic of the RZ2 and the 1st pic of the 24ve. Both of those pics seem to have a comparable people weight in the back corner
When I say slammed, I am referring more to the boats attitude, how it is affected, then how it is waited. To get that wave, we are running about 1500 in the locker surf side and then about 4-500 lbs in the opposing locker. then about 600 lbs of people on goofy seat, or other. Then, another 300 or so on the rear seat in the center. Then 400 lbs up front.
Wow, never quite added all of that up. Its slammed. ;-) But the wake is longer and about the same height as the RZ2. I bet if we took the weight out of the front it would be taller than RZ2, may try that for sh*ts and giggles.
The RZ2 would probably sink with that, not sure. No joke, I can get in the boat by just rolling up to the swim deck and turning around and sitting down. I have NEVER been able to do that on any boat.
But the wave is SOOO long and very powerful. My kids are surfing for long sessions, without falling. RJ did 5 360s in a row, and semi flubbed 2 of them. He would have fallen out on those on the RZ2. We will have more video soon. Chris Martinez just got here and going out after a meeting. We are really figuring out fine placement of weight and what the boat needs to keep that power. Prob have the video sometime tomorrow.
I should add that I would recommend the RZ2 over the Ve any day. Safe amount of weight IMHO and so easy to get that wake, just buy the boat, swap the sacs and go. We are just having fun with this. We decided we were going to go all out on the Ve, and really see what it could do.
These bigger boats are fun, but just seem to take a ton of weight to really shine.
I took a still frame of dennis second session when we got it dialed in for him. He was a bit tired but able to chill at the back of the wave. I will follow this up with video, he is NOT falling back, just chilling, and goes back to this point a couple times and just rides back up without pumping. Boat is perfectly straight, no kinks, no turns. Dennis is 280 lbs riding a bazooka.
Last edited by ragboy; 08-18-2011 at 2:58 PM.
Reason: added weight and board.