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Old    Eubanks (eubanks01)      Join Date: Jun 2001       04-20-2011, 3:09 PM Reply   
I guess he didn't like our local boy challenging his answers!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l55jZclGDsI
Old    Michael Hunter (mhunter)      Join Date: Mar 2008       04-20-2011, 7:57 PM Reply   
Jimmy Carter smiles every time BO opens his mouth.
Old    Wes (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       04-20-2011, 11:04 PM Reply   
That's "losing his cool?" Lulz.
Old    Seth Rozic (RedRum)      Join Date: Nov 2010       04-21-2011, 7:02 AM Reply   
Not really losing his cool, but
NO ONE CHALLENGES THE CHOSEN ONE. lol That reporter may be lying in a ditch somewhere now, beat to a bloody pulp.

I'm surprised that BHO didn't blame that challenge on the previous administration.
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       04-21-2011, 7:29 AM Reply   
Yawn
Old    Big D (bigdtx)      Join Date: Feb 2005       04-21-2011, 9:32 AM Reply   
Brad Watson - a nobody reporter from Dallas who usually reports on the local school board election gets a (now guaranteed) once in a lifetime chance to interview the President of the US and makes an ass of himself and is proud of it. At least he got his chance before Tricky Dicky Perry has us secede from the union...
Old    Jeremy (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       04-21-2011, 6:48 PM Reply   
It's called common courtesy. You ask someone a question, let them give them your answer without interrupting.

"Governor Perry helped balance his budget with about 6 billion dollars of federal aid".

I believe this speaks volumes.
Old    Jeff Baker (innov8)      Join Date: May 2005       04-22-2011, 9:57 AM Reply   
Obama the idiot, hahaha what a tool.
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       04-22-2011, 9:59 AM Reply   
Hey Jeff, what politician isn't a tool?
Old    Jeremy (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       04-22-2011, 1:53 PM Reply   
I don't know how calling out a reporter for interrupting your response classifies you as an idiot.
Old    Seahawks #1 Fan Robert T (cwb4me)      Join Date: Apr 2010       04-23-2011, 3:18 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by wake77 View Post
I don't know how calling out a reporter for interrupting your response classifies you as an idiot.
How about spending BILLIONS of dollars you don't have and promising change that.'s worse.Who is better off today than they were 3 years ago?Does gas cost less?Is the mortgage and bank industry better off?How about the auto industry?I KNOW I'M NOT.
Old    Jeff Baker (innov8)      Join Date: May 2005       04-23-2011, 4:54 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by fly135 View Post
Hey Jeff, what politician isn't a tool?
True John, I never said Obama was the only tool.
Obama is the current tool in charge and everyone should upset with this moron.
Old    Jeff Baker (innov8)      Join Date: May 2005       04-23-2011, 5:07 AM Reply   
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I don't know how calling out a reporter for interrupting your response classifies you as an idiot.
He is the POTUS act like it, take the high road.
Not like he has a chance in hell of winning Texas anyway.
Act like a leader, take it like a man and move on!
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       04-23-2011, 6:45 AM Reply   
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How about spending BILLIONS of dollars you don't have and promising change that.'s worse.Who is better off today than they were 3 years ago?Does gas cost less?Is the mortgage and bank industry better off?How about the auto industry?I KNOW I'M NOT.
LOL who puts their personal fortunes in the president's hands? I graduated from college, grad school and got my start in my career during Clinton, but I don't give him credit for that. I worked my butt off during Bush and had a substantial boost in my income ... but I don't give him credit for that either. Now during a down economy that the current president stepped into, I'm hustling like mad to keep things clicking.

Mortgage bank industry better off than three years ago? Honestly I think the answer would be yes, it IS BETTER. The housing market peaked in 05-06 and the writing was clearly on the wall by 07 that a whole bunch of pain was in store. In most areas the worst of that pain is over (not here in NV, but that's a different story). And remember, that's in the wake of the biggest run that industry had ever known. The phrase "boom and bust" has been around for a lot longer than Obama.

Auto industry? Well its a down economy and they make expensive consumer goods. No surprise there.
Old    Jeremy (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       04-23-2011, 10:08 AM Reply   
"How about spending BILLIONS of dollars you don't have and promising change that.'s worse.Who is better off today than they were 3 years ago?Does gas cost less?Is the mortgage and bank industry better off?How about the auto industry?I KNOW I'M NOT."

I don't see what the President has to do with gas prices and didn't the GOP congress just give billions to the oil companies in subsidies? Toyota, GM, Honda, Nissan all doing well. Here in Chattanooga, we just opened a new VW plant. Housing market is slowing rebounding. And do you honestly think things would be different (.99 a gallon gas for example) if McCain would have won?

You seem to be doing fine. Didn't you just buy a new Tige?
Old    Seahawks #1 Fan Robert T (cwb4me)      Join Date: Apr 2010       04-23-2011, 7:35 PM Reply   
I might be doing alright but most people in VA aren't.You can spin anything how you want.Bottom line the president is irresponsible.Spending money we [taxpayers] don't have.AUTO INDUSTRY is recovering ,but not up to 2007 numbers.Mortgage industry is the same,recovering but not up to 2007 numbers.UNEMPLOYMENT is at record high.The government shows who's getting it ,not unemployeed who have given up looking for a job.GAS is higher than ever and demand is lowest it's been in 3 plus years.WHY,because futures buyers are driving the cost up by speculating with only 10% up front capital.Make them come up with 50% capital and gas will drop again. Barrel of oil is cheaper than last year,but gas isn't.Keep drinking the kool aid and america will be doomed for sure.
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       04-24-2011, 7:07 AM Reply   
Robert, so I understand you correctly, you don't think that the mortgage industry was ridiculously overheated in 07, or that the flood of funny money that came with it may have also created unsustainable demand for consumer goods like cars (and boats, rvs, flat screens, dubs, etc, etc, etc)? Rather you think the economy was "good" in 07 and that it should be that way perpetually? And that it's the president's job to keep the economy that way and he is solely responsible for it?
Old    Big D (bigdtx)      Join Date: Feb 2005       04-24-2011, 7:28 AM Reply   
"Bottom line the president is irresponsible.Spending money we [taxpayers] don't have." - This is the funniest thing I've seen all day. Check out how much "money we don't have" was spent by Bush. You do understand that all the Iraq and Afghanistan war money was spent through supplemental spending bills - that do not show up in the regular budget. When Obama was elected he changed that - so the costs would be clear. Bush also pushed and signed the prescription drug bill which among other insanities has a clause that allows for no government negotiation on drug prices - if they say an aspirin costs 10.00 each - the gov't must pay 10.00 by law - and of course no revenue adjustments (aka taxes) were made - so it is just more debt. Obama wants to change that part of the law - but guess who opposes it? That's right - Republicans who are against gov't health care - except when it hurts their big donors and future job prospects.

But don't take my word for it - http://www.propublica.org/special/me...bbyists-102009
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       04-24-2011, 8:51 AM Reply   
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True John, I never said Obama was the only tool.
Obama is the current tool in charge and everyone should upset with this moron.
Everyone should be upset with govt policy. I differ with you on the moron accusation. The moron is one who expresses his political ideas with threads like this. Obama isn't a moron. He's one of the puppet masters.

When you have good ideas about what govt should be doing, and you recognize that neither political party is acting in your interest then you are challenging the puppet masters. When you attack Obama over something like this, with the inference that he's the real problem you are a tool of the puppet masters and doing their bidding.

The puppet masters don't want to think about policy, they want you to be in the partisan political army. When you join the army then you obey the party you join and don't question the fact that they will continue to act against your best interest.

Last edited by fly135; 04-24-2011 at 8:54 AM.
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       04-24-2011, 9:16 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by fly135 View Post
Everyone should be upset with govt policy. I differ with you on the moron accusation. The moron is one who expresses his political ideas with threads like this. Obama isn't a moron. He's one of the puppet masters.

When you have good ideas about what govt should be doing, and you recognize that neither political party is acting in your interest then you are challenging the puppet masters. When you attack Obama over something like this, with the inference that he's the real problem you are a tool of the puppet masters and doing their bidding.

The puppet masters don't want to think about policy, they want you to be in the partisan political army. When you join the army then you obey the party you join and don't question the fact that they will continue to act against your best interest.
I'm not sure that it's quite as Sinister as all that, bur thinking for ourselves about the issues rather than marching in lockstep with hanity or stewart or rush or maddow is definitely a good thing. Too few people think for themselves.
Old    Seahawks #1 Fan Robert T (cwb4me)      Join Date: Apr 2010       04-24-2011, 8:20 PM Reply   
I like the way everyone reads into what someone says.Whatever it is they think.I really haven't thought a president was worth his salt after REGAN.Most of you on here don't remember him.But life was good back then and everyone FEARED the USA.Now they look at us as a joke.A country with no backbone.Irresponsible leadership.And a anything goes policy.I certainly don't understand why you think i'm comparing Obama to Bush.I'm comparing Obama to before OBAMA came into OFFICE.He promised change and it's only gotten worse.If it had stayed the same i would have considered his efforts a sucess.More government only creates more expense.The goverment is THE most inefficent business in WORLD.
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       04-25-2011, 5:59 AM Reply   
Hmmm, I thought the biggest problem with Obama was that it did stay the same as when Bush was in office. I now refer to him as the black Bush. Granted he hasn't started a new war with the intent of nation building, but who knows even that's possible.
Old    Jason G (jason_ssr)      Join Date: Apr 2001       04-25-2011, 8:57 AM Reply   
Our situation is the result of the people being apathetic about government. Truth is, most of the changes or lack of change arent really noticed. Even the most impactful things really arent changing our life much. Look at gas. $4.00 gas seems rediculous, but what does it really mean? I commute 70mi a day. At $2.00\gal it cost me about $75/mo. Now it costs me $150/mo. Are we really going to sweat and extra $75-$150 an month? No, thats like one nice meal a month or a couple of happy hours. It isnt going to change the life of the average joe at all.

The government is in the business of being self sustaining. The majority of the people are not going to care what they do until it begins to affect them on a daily basis. We are a long way from that.

The good news is that the people are beginning to realize that their vote is useless to inact change within the two party system, and they are becoming increasingly willing to throw away their vote to make a statement rather than backing a guaranteed fail from either major party. Since no party is throwing winners out there, there is no reason to vote for your lame guy just to prevent their lame guy from winning.

Im not a big tea-party guy, but I do like how their movement has given legitimacy to branching out politically. Their proof of concept might spawn some of the libertarian groups to really put something together.
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       04-25-2011, 9:26 AM Reply   
Jason, I'm going to disagree that apathy is the cause and suggerst that apathy is a symptom. People are confused and brainwashed resulting in either frustration and anger, or frustration and apathy.

Quick franky I never cared much about what was going on in govt until the second Bush term. Unlike Robert who had good times during Reagan, my good times were during Bush Sr and Clinton. I was making money hand over fist and able to both spend and save. Who pays attention to govt when you are raising a family with ample resources to spend and a growing bank account?

I played the game during the last election. To me Obama's change was supposed to about transparency in govt. That was IMO that we were supposed to start getting the truth about spending and what was going on in govt. Since then my awareness has been growing. It started with the realization that the Bush adminstration lied to get us into a pointless war in Iraq. Yeah, we can all speculate about why but the end result was tremendous damage to the American economy and a lack of focus on domestic policy. I've come to realize that govt SOP is to sell us to the highest bidder. More money and power to govt agencies like the FDA and Homeland security. Eating taxpayer dollars with the rationale that the American people aren't safe and need more protections and less privacy.

The political parties are a joke. Conservative raise a hue and cry that the Republicans didn't fight for 15 days of deficit spending cut from the budget. The media filled with outrage about which side failed in negotiations for the budget. That cut 68 billion that in real terms amounted to 308 million. Which for anyone without a calculator amounts to 2 hours of deficit spending.

Give me a freaking break. People trying to make a political point by blaming Obama for all of this is ridiculous. Obama is as much responsible as 15 days of deficit cuts will help our economy. People need to recognize that if you want to cut the deficit then you need to end the wars, end the billions in bribes (or the euphemism "aid") to foriegn countries. What did we ever get for sending $2 Billion a year to Eygypt's military. Oh let me guess they used that money to buy American military hardware and became out friend. It's a proven fact that heathcare of equivilent quality in other Western nations cost half what it does here. So why don't we use that as a guiide to fixing the medicare disaster while at the same time reducing health care costs for everyone.

The answers to the questions above is that we are "puppet mastered". We are all a bunch of villagers with pitchforks chasing Frankenstien, who just happens to be the other political party. I say.. use your freak'n brain. You know what we spend and that we need to cut the things that do nothing for our country right away. If people never disparaged another politician and only discussed what we need to cut our political process would advance to a better place. They are all bad and they will continue to be all bad until we tell then what to do. And make sure what we demand is meaningful.
Old    Nacho (denverd1)      Join Date: May 2004       04-25-2011, 2:29 PM Reply   
"So why don't we use that as a guide to fixing the medicare disaster while at the same time reducing health care costs for everyone."

IMO Too many people in between us and the programs we want to lop off with an axe. Too many lobbyists, special interest groups, etc to get anything done. We knew the wheels were falling off 3 yrs ago. And they're still falling off....

Time to throw out the bathwater, baby and all.
Old    Jason G (jason_ssr)      Join Date: Apr 2001       04-26-2011, 5:24 AM Reply   
John, its a chicken or egg thing. its hard to say which came first. IMO, apathy for decades is what gave us the government we have....which in turn produces more apathy. I dont necessarily feel lied to about spending, as I feel the spending they are up front about it terrible. While I agree that much of the american public are weak minded, I really dont buy the brainwashing claim, esp modern generations who are well aware of the dishonesty in tech and media. I really think they just dont care...which is worse than being a brainwash victim, IMO.

The reason I feel that apathy is the problem is because the removal of apathy is the only real solution. However, nobody is really going to care until it begins to affect them on a daily basis in a real way, ie Great Depression. In theory, the people have the capability to completely revamp the government with their votes in very short order. Will it happen? No. Most wont even bother voting, and those that do are more concerned about stopping the capitalist or socialist than fixing the government.
Old    Jeff Baker (innov8)      Join Date: May 2005       04-26-2011, 7:45 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by fly135 View Post
Everyone should be upset with govt policy. I differ with you on the moron accusation. The moron is one who expresses his political ideas with threads like this. Obama isn't a moron. He's one of the puppet masters.

When you have good ideas about what govt should be doing, and you recognize that neither political party is acting in your interest then you are challenging the puppet masters. When you attack Obama over something like this, with the inference that he's the real problem you are a tool of the puppet masters and doing their bidding.

The puppet masters don't want to think about policy, they want you to be in the partisan political army. When you join the army then you obey the party you join and don't question the fact that they will continue to act against your best interest.
Screw both Parties, I could care less about Party.
Obama ran on Changing Washington, that is one of the big reasons he is in the White House.
He hasn't changed anything.
Iraq?
Afgan?
Gitmo?
Libya? Cant blame this on Bush.
Cutting Spending?
What has CHANGED JOHN??He had 2 years with a Dem Congress and himself in the White House and Changed NOTHING, just spending more, yes more then Bush.
When is Obama going to become a man and take some responsibility for his decisions?

Bottom line is we need to cut back on our spending before we crash and burn and it is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when.
Old    Seahawks #1 Fan Robert T (cwb4me)      Join Date: Apr 2010       04-26-2011, 7:58 AM Reply   
Looks as though Jeff understands.
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       04-26-2011, 8:35 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by innov8 View Post
Screw both Parties, I could care less about Party.
Obama ran on Changing Washington, that is one of the big reasons he is in the White House.
He hasn't changed anything.
Iraq?
Afgan?
Gitmo?
Libya? Cant blame this on Bush.
Cutting Spending?
What has CHANGED JOHN??He had 2 years with a Dem Congress and himself in the White House and Changed NOTHING, just spending more, yes more then Bush.
When is Obama going to become a man and take some responsibility for his decisions?

Bottom line is we need to cut back on our spending before we crash and burn and it is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when.
Jeff, you missed the point of my post. It's that neither party is anything more than a puppet master. You join the party and you obey. There are other posts I've made on this forum in the last week where I call Obama a Black Bush. And specifically said that we must demand the following...

- Leave Iraq and Afghanistan now
- Cut the Defense spending by 30%. They can scale back foriegn bases and cut where deemed reasonable.
- Cut Homeland Security, FEMA, and the FDA by 50%. These agencies are wasteful and even are a threat to our indivual freedoms.
- Cut all other govt agencies by 10% across the board.
- Research why other modern Western country's healthcare costs half what ours cost and implement changes to achieve the same results.

The point of the post you responded to was to tell people that they are being puppet mastered when they attack only one politician, which suggests they agree with the performance of the others. It's the duty of every American to know what govt needs to cut because it's become obvious that we cannot wait for our favorite political party to do it for us.
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       04-26-2011, 8:50 AM Reply   
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John, its a chicken or egg thing. its hard to say which came first. IMO, apathy for decades is what gave us the government we have....which in turn produces more apathy. I dont necessarily feel lied to about spending, as I feel the spending they are up front about it terrible. While I agree that much of the american public are weak minded, I really dont buy the brainwashing claim, esp modern generations who are well aware of the dishonesty in tech and media. I really think they just dont care...which is worse than being a brainwash victim, IMO.

The reason I feel that apathy is the problem is because the removal of apathy is the only real solution. However, nobody is really going to care until it begins to affect them on a daily basis in a real way, ie Great Depression. In theory, the people have the capability to completely revamp the government with their votes in very short order. Will it happen? No. Most wont even bother voting, and those that do are more concerned about stopping the capitalist or socialist than fixing the government.
It's a theoretical capability (voting together). Yes, if we all believe the same thing then it can be done. Apathy about the details of govt operation has a logical foundation. We are all expected to be good at our craft. I expect my doctor to know how to perform his job. The same with my car mechanic, a/c repairman, house builder, etc.... I also expect my elected officials to do their job. If I am prosperous, there are ample opportunities, and society seems to be running smoothy then I can concentrate on my responsibilities in life.

Perhaps the term brainwash isn't precisely correct according to the dictionary definition. But it sounds to the point than saying... "our zeitgeist is manipulated by govt, industry, and greed". You say that you don't feel lied to about spending. Is that because you look at the budget figures and know how much is spent? If that's the case then no. But if you believe that you know where the money is going, then I highly doubt that. The lie is that money is going places that the American public would be outraged over if they could truely see it. You only get the tip of the iceberg when small bits are exposed occasionally. The details of the waste are hardly revealed.

Lastly, I don't recall you ever making a post where you have detailed how you believe govt can fxi the problem. How can you expect us to all agree to cast our vote together if you can't even say what it should be for?
Old    Jeff Baker (innov8)      Join Date: May 2005       04-26-2011, 10:53 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by fly135 View Post
Jeff, you missed the point of my post. It's that neither party is anything more than a puppet master. You join the party and you obey. There are other posts I've made on this forum in the last week where I call Obama a Black Bush. And specifically said that we must demand the following...

- Leave Iraq and Afghanistan now
- Cut the Defense spending by 30%. They can scale back foriegn bases and cut where deemed reasonable.
- Cut Homeland Security, FEMA, and the FDA by 50%. These agencies are wasteful and even are a threat to our indivual freedoms.
- Cut all other govt agencies by 10% across the board.
- Research why other modern Western country's healthcare costs half what ours cost and implement changes to achieve the same results.

The point of the post you responded to was to tell people that they are being puppet mastered when they attack only one politician, which suggests they agree with the performance of the others. It's the duty of every American to know what govt needs to cut because it's become obvious that we cannot wait for our favorite political party to do it for us.
I agree John, it is time to take back America and vote in Americans that want to get America back on track and make the tuff decision that need to be made.
I also have no problems with your cuts, we need to cut spending across the board.
Old    Jason G (jason_ssr)      Join Date: Apr 2001       04-28-2011, 8:51 AM Reply   
I guess I say I dont feel lied to because I dont even like the spending they are upfront about. I dont like how we are so concerned with hurting peoples feelings that we cannot correct policies that we know are wasteful, or dont work.

The smart thing to do is get back to the basics of what the government is for. Get rid of policies and spending outside of the governments basic tasks.

SS is a bad governent policy. Yes, people like us would be screwed out of alot of money if it was just terminated, and thats not fair. However, it isnt the governments job to force you to save, nor is it their job to hold it for you. We know its flawed thinking and has mathmatical flaws based on population. We need to get rid of it, but dont have a way without screwing someone. I say we do whats right and let the screwing occur. In 2 decades nobody will even remember, and the country will be better for it.

Get rid of welfare and other entitlements that we know are flawed and abused. Stop being the worlds super hero. Let charity be up to the individual.

Im to the point where Im in the "something else but this" camp. Fire them all and reboot.
Old    John Anderson (fly135)      Join Date: Jun 2004       04-28-2011, 9:21 AM Reply   
There is no such thing as an unspoken universal agreement as to what govt is for. You can't point to the Constitution to tell you becaus eit isn't there. And you can't claim the founding fathers are the final word on the future of America for millennia to come. You have to know what you want to cut and say what you want govt to do. If we can state this plainly enough then perhaps we can reach a majority consensus.

I don't agree with starting by taking away things that help Americans first. IMO SS is the last thing you want to cut.

I don't agree with cutting medicare either. What I do agree with is researching why medical care is much less costly in other developed countries and implementing those policies here. That is the proper way to fix the problem with medical cost issues.

I don't believe we need the current miltary budget and I don't believe in engaging in wars that have very little to do with our security. This must be cut before we make severe cuts wrt domestic policy. I also think that other govt agencies that do very little for the people or even infringe on our civil liberties should get as much money as they do. Scale them back.

I also don't agree with the fire them all and reboot theory. Why? Because it will make people feel like they are doing something when they aren't. As long as people don't know what they want their govt to do they will get bad govt.
Old    Jeff Baker (innov8)      Join Date: May 2005       04-28-2011, 1:31 PM Reply   
Everyone I have talked to agrees that we need to cut spending.
If we cant agree on what to cut, then I say cut spending across the board 35%
Old    Paul (psudy)      Join Date: Dec 2003       04-28-2011, 1:52 PM Reply   
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