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Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       01-09-2011, 10:02 PM Reply   
Anyone ever really weight a mb tomcat 21 or 23? I can't seem to find pictures of anyone that has sacked it out. The hull design looks promising for surfing, nice and tall and a deep v.
Old    jkw (lakesurfer)      Join Date: Jul 2009       01-10-2011, 7:06 AM Reply   
The MB promotional vids have a very short shot of the Tomcat 23 surfing. Also, the main MB promotional video shows a 23 Widebody.

http://www.mbsports.net/model_view.asp?model=f23tomcat
Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       01-10-2011, 9:18 AM Reply   
My buddy has an F23 and the main problem we had was that since it doesn't have a plate, it was hard to clean up the wave. We didn't spend too much time with it this past summer though, mainly used my RZ2 for surfing. Maybe this year we can throw some weight in it and see what happens. I love the wakeboarding wake behind that boat though, it's awesome!
Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       01-10-2011, 9:32 AM Reply   
Yeah those lockers are huge, plus the built in ballast is big. Try tossing like an extra 1500 (the locker area looks amazing for an enzo type sac) or so on top and the wave could be insane! Waves seem to always clean up with enough weight and list.
Old    jkw (lakesurfer)      Join Date: Jul 2009       01-10-2011, 10:17 AM Reply   
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My buddy has an F23 and the main problem we had was that since it doesn't have a plate, it was hard to clean up the wave.
the 2011 MB's have the Bennett Trim tab as an option.
Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       01-10-2011, 10:23 AM Reply   
Yeah and you can install them in like 2 hours tops. The hull design looks nice and tall and deep. I just figured someone had sacked one out.
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Old    Mitch (wakemitch)      Join Date: Jun 2005       01-10-2011, 11:53 AM Reply   
I rode behind a 21 tomcat a lot this summer. We put in the 1100lbs sac and the wake was long and steep. It definitely needs a trim tab thought because there is a lot of wash that we could not get ride of on the lip.
We put in a 500lbs sac under the side seat once and the wake was killer. The boat is so tall that you dont have to worry much about water coming in. I still think with just a 1100lbs sac and the stock ballast on the side gets you an amazing wave though.

I haven't tried a tomcat with a trim tab, but I've come to the conclusion that that is what it will take for the wash to go away.
Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       01-10-2011, 11:54 AM Reply   
Any pictures? Did you weight just one side?
Old    Mitch (wakemitch)      Join Date: Jun 2005       01-10-2011, 11:55 AM Reply   
We never weighted the goofy side since we never had to. I'll dig around for some pics.
Old    Mitch (wakemitch)      Join Date: Jun 2005       01-10-2011, 12:21 PM Reply   
okay I found some pics.
The picture of just the wake is 2 450lbs stacked in the back locker before they got the 1100lbs bag.
The picture of my riding that is more up close is the 1100lbs sac and one observer at 10.6 mph
The picture of my riding that is more far away is the 1100lbs sac 10.6 mph 500lbs of people on the side seat and a 115lbs person in the bow on that side. The wake shape is a lot less steep this way which made it easier for shuvs and other skim tricks, but it lost height which didn't matter too much because it had a ton of push and power.
They all have wash on the lip. I don't think you can get rid of the wash without a trim tab on this boat.
It's not my favorite wakesurfing wake but the wake shape is AMAZING for wakeskating/wakeboarding. Even without filling the stock ballast. Very smooth wake but still pops me up great. Probably my favorite wake for wakeskating/wakeboarding
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Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       01-10-2011, 12:31 PM Reply   
Did you have the stock port ballast full as well? Very washy, but yeah a cheap lenco plate would probably fix that.
Old    Mitch (wakemitch)      Join Date: Jun 2005       01-10-2011, 12:39 PM Reply   
Yeah we always used the stock port ballast. Very washy i know. I really want to try one with a trim tab
Old    jkw (lakesurfer)      Join Date: Jul 2009       01-10-2011, 12:55 PM Reply   
So that pick with you farther back is what in total weight? How deep is that water?

??? stock port ballast
1,100lbs sac
500lbs people

that wake is really washed out in decent water. I dont think a trim tab is going to fix that unless it has the same problem and Enzo has just on the opposite side. Maybe a new prop would help as well.

Last edited by lakesurfer; 01-10-2011 at 12:57 PM.
Old    Mitch (wakemitch)      Join Date: Jun 2005       01-10-2011, 1:03 PM Reply   
i believe the stock ballast is 900lbs on each side. the water is about 12-15 feet.
talking to people they said a trim tab is what is needed to knock down the wash. air tricks seem close to impossible with that much wash.
Old    jkw (lakesurfer)      Join Date: Jul 2009       01-10-2011, 5:08 PM Reply   
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i believe the stock ballast is 900lbs on each side. the water is about 12-15 feet.
talking to people they said a trim tab is what is needed to knock down the wash. air tricks seem close to impossible with that much wash.
well that should be enough weight and the water is deep enough for a decent wave. I hope they figure it out because MB makes a great boat for money. I really like the 23V widebody. I am not a big fan of their pickle for because the forks go out so far (even compared to other pickle fork designs)
Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       01-11-2011, 11:11 AM Reply   
I really think the boat has potential. Maybe even 2k on top of the 900 stock.
Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       01-13-2011, 8:23 AM Reply   
Is that wash from the swim platform by any chance?

If you wakeboard and haven't ridden behind one of these boats, I encourage you to do so! The wakeboarding wake is so clean and crisp, I did some of my best riding of the season on my first time behind the F23. It's definitely worth checking out.

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