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Old    CORY MITCHELL (stang_killa_ss)      Join Date: Jan 2010       09-25-2010, 7:53 PM Reply   
http://www.alliancewake.com/wake/exp...boats-new-21v/

not bad. i like the dual rudders, ballast, and surf tabs. those would make leveling a lop sided boat so easy while wakeboarding instead of moving people around, or adjusting rear sacks every time some one moves a bit. instant results. wish they had better overall pics of the boat though.
Old    McGavin (Shooter)      Join Date: Apr 2010       09-25-2010, 10:51 PM Reply   
Very Nice. I love the Epics and a 21 footer sounds great. I would like to see some photos of that Rip Curl boat.
Old    Greg S (roomservice)      Join Date: Dec 2006       09-26-2010, 6:51 AM Reply   
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Very Nice. I love the Epics and a 21 footer sounds great. I would like to see some photos of that Rip Curl boat.
here ya go:
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Old    Ian (epicwinnipeg)      Join Date: Feb 2010       09-26-2010, 9:07 AM Reply   
Cory, I never even thought of using the surf tabs to level what is a pretty weight sensitive boat. Installing these on my 09 might now be a winter project!
Old    McGavin (Shooter)      Join Date: Apr 2010       09-26-2010, 9:33 AM Reply   
Neoprene seats sounds like a good idea. I wonder how they will hold up tho.
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       09-26-2010, 9:52 AM Reply   
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Neoprene seats sounds like a good idea. I wonder how they will hold up tho.
I am pretty sure MB tried that on their B52 in 1998 or somewhere around then. Since it didn't last long I am guessing it is a fail. Who knows though, maybe Epic found a different way to do it.

Too bad they don't have any better shots of the entire exterior of the boat and entire shots of the interior.

It they subtled out there lines a little Epic might be my favorite boat. I still can't get over the lines. At least the bow.
Old    Tyler Halbert (blaze5012)      Join Date: Aug 2010       09-26-2010, 12:04 PM Reply   
What kind of ballast does the boat use, is it gravity fed? if not then what are those holes above the side wake plates?
Old    Dan (hco)      Join Date: Jun 2006       09-26-2010, 1:08 PM Reply   
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I am pretty sure MB tried that on their B52 in 1998 or somewhere around then. Since it didn't last long I am guessing it is a fail. Who knows though, maybe Epic found a different way to do it.

Too bad they don't have any better shots of the entire exterior of the boat and entire shots of the interior.

It they subtled out there lines a little Epic might be my favorite boat. I still can't get over the lines. At least the bow.
The 'lines' of the boat/the bow that you don't like are very important to the wake that the Epic's produce. It's not that they designed it that way sheerly to look different.
Old    Darren Yearsley (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       09-26-2010, 2:24 PM Reply   
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The 'lines' of the boat/the bow that you don't like are very important to the wake that the Epic's produce. It's not that they designed it that way sheerly to look different.
Only the lines below the waterline effect the wake performance
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       09-26-2010, 4:27 PM Reply   
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Only the lines below the waterline effect the wake performance
Exaclty
Old    Sean (slax303)      Join Date: Oct 2005       09-26-2010, 5:15 PM Reply   
Is that an I/O Epic in the background??
Old    Jeremy Byrom (wakerider111)      Join Date: Jul 2006       09-26-2010, 5:32 PM Reply   
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Is that an I/O Epic in the background??
is that the all electric sport boat then ?
Old    Bryce (brycejb328)      Join Date: Aug 2009       09-26-2010, 6:09 PM Reply   
they had the dual rudder on the epic 23 right?? is it a noticeable difference?? in theory it makes sense...
Old    Seahawks #1 Fan Robert T (cwb4me)      Join Date: Apr 2010       09-26-2010, 6:29 PM Reply   
i wonder if dual trim tabs will help a wakeboard wake? i certainly think they would help the surf wake. i think they would make your boat turn slightly in the direction opposite the tab you put down.i just wonder?
Old    CORY MITCHELL (stang_killa_ss)      Join Date: Jan 2010       09-27-2010, 5:34 AM Reply   
whats that black thing behind the exhaust and prop?
Old    Seahawks #1 Fan Robert T (cwb4me)      Join Date: Apr 2010       09-27-2010, 5:44 AM Reply   
fresh air exhaust or fae it's called to keep exhaust fumes down at the transom.
Old    Jarod Craig (wake26)      Join Date: Mar 2009       09-27-2010, 6:16 AM Reply   
I was wondering the same thing about the holes above the wake plates if they were gravity fed ballast tanks. I to can not get over the the front of the boat to me it looks ugly, but the rest o the boat looks great.
Old    A.J. West (you_da_man)      Join Date: Sep 2009       09-27-2010, 6:28 AM Reply   
I was about to buy an Epic 23v back in Sept 09 but didn't want a transom stereo...wish they had a way to delete that but I understand it's probably part of the hull mold. I test drove one for about 45 min and loved the power, the wake was crazy clean...little steep looking. The dual rudder did it's job in reverse. Only complaint I really had was the glove box lid was warped (figured they would have caught that or replaced it) and a piece of trim around the driver console was already falling off everytime we hit big rollers. This was a new demo boat with only a couple dozen hours. This 21v looks great and would be a great boat for those looking to get a boat in a garage.
Old    Pete (petrey10)      Join Date: Apr 2010       09-27-2010, 6:32 AM Reply   
whats the MSRP?
Old    Fred (olmoomba)      Join Date: Apr 2010       09-27-2010, 8:41 AM Reply   
here's what I heard. The msrp on teh 21V is $49,900 and that's without audio. It will have 3500 lbs ballast, fast fill (gravity fill) and a 5.7L Mercruiser with Merc's smart tow gps. All sea deck foam floor, storage and walls...NO CARPET! anywhere. Something new for the hull that I wish I had in my 23V are spray pockets and rounding to the transom. The glove box is bigger with a thicker lid.

I like it, so somebody buy my boat so I get one of these! If I get a newer model (07 compared to 11) but smaller.......is it an upgrade?
Old    CORY MITCHELL (stang_killa_ss)      Join Date: Jan 2010       09-27-2010, 9:06 AM Reply   
great info. ill be curious to keep track of this boat as more in confirmed.
Old    A-dub (behindtheboat)      Join Date: Aug 2006       09-27-2010, 10:19 AM Reply   
what's with the I/O?
Old    Brit Rider (brit_rider)      Join Date: May 2004       09-27-2010, 11:40 AM Reply   
A-Dub; I saw the I/O out in Dusseldorf for the International Boat show... its off the chain!

Beautiful Epic build quality in a sportsboat layout with an electric drive!
I hung around for ages but no one was there to tell me any more about the boat... looked sweet though!
Old    Matt (MattieK27)      Join Date: Mar 2010       09-27-2010, 3:30 PM Reply   
Anyone have input on Epics build quality? Last time I looked at Epics, they were building Toyotas ski boat. They say all the right things in the videos, but then again what company doesnt. I would love a new 21' Super Air Nautique, but I cannot stomach the 85k msrp on a mildly equiped boat...
Old    Josh Robinson (sideswipeproductions)      Join Date: Jun 2009       09-27-2010, 9:51 PM Reply   
Had a look over the boat at expo, really, really liked what I saw. Lots of smart technology. As already mentioned, the hull has been slightly modified around the rear also, which is nice.
Old    A-dub (behindtheboat)      Join Date: Aug 2006       09-28-2010, 6:21 AM Reply   
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Anyone have input on Epics build quality? Last time I looked at Epics, they were building Toyotas ski boat. They say all the right things in the videos, but then again what company doesnt. I would love a new 21' Super Air Nautique, but I cannot stomach the 85k msrp on a mildly equiped boat...
This is a totally different/separate company than the Epic by Toyota. There are plenty of threads regarding the new Epic boats and how their owners love them.
Old    Matt (MattieK27)      Join Date: Mar 2010       09-28-2010, 10:35 AM Reply   
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This is a totally different/separate company than the Epic by Toyota. There are plenty of threads regarding the new Epic boats and how their owners love them.
I had no idea the new epic boats had no company relation to the models co-developed with Toyota in the past.

I realize there are owner threads that discuss how much said owners love them, I guess I'm looking for a more unbiased opinion. Thanks...
Old    Joe Sellhausen (joesell)      Join Date: Apr 2001       09-28-2010, 11:56 AM Reply   
Matt, I can't give you an unbiased opinion I guess, because I own a 23v. But I live 15min sw of Milw. So if you want to make the trip over and see for your self, I'll let you crawl all over it and make up your own mind. And if you bring some beer for me, and some gas for the boat, I'll even take you out and drag you around the lake.

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