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Old    Nick Schrein (wakeboardern1)      Join Date: Aug 2007       09-02-2010, 3:20 PM Reply   
I just got this in an email, and yes, I'm aware that it was an email, yes, the original "german" man is likely very fake, but nonetheless, I feel that the email itself is fairly valid in SOME of its assertions....


German View of Islam



This is by far the best explanation of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read. His references to past history are accurate and clear. Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is said to be Dr. Emanuel Tanay, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist.







A German's View on Islam



A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism. 'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything.. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.'



We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.



The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.



The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous.



Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.



The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.



And who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?



History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points:



Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.



Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.



Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late. As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts--the fanatics who threaten our way of life.



Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes this email without sending it on, is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand. So, extend yourself a bit and send this on and on and on! Let us hope that thousands, world-wide, read this and think about it, and send it on - before it's too late.

Last edited by wakeboardern1; 09-02-2010 at 3:21 PM. Reason: had some stuff relevant to a different topic title in my addition.
Old    "G" (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       09-02-2010, 11:57 PM Reply   
Yea it might be fake but IMO the meaning is Real .I got the same e mail. So what i'm trying to say is HELL YEA .
Count down till ur called a racist!
Old    GD (diamonddad)      Join Date: Mar 2010       09-03-2010, 8:51 AM Reply   
The message is spot on. However, I am willing to bet that more muslims as a percentage of muslims are extreme (meaning they want you dead) than germans who wanted jews dead. I have seen many reports that say of the 1B muslims, 50% don't condemn OBL while 10% want you dead. If those numbers are even partially correct, its super scary! Thats 100M muslims in the world who want you dead. How people can say that this does not REFLECT on Islam today is beyond me. BTW, other religions doing bad things in the dark ages is not useful either. That is not now and that awful behavior deserved to be criticized then and now.
Old    David Williams (wakeworld)      Join Date: Jan 1997       09-03-2010, 9:53 AM Reply   
What GD said! ^^^ I think the fact that "peaceful" Muslims are silent is the most telling aspect of what is going on. Logic says that if you are a member of a peaceful religion and a good chunk of nuts that share your religion are giving your religion a bad name, you would rally fellow members of your religion to disavow, condemn, separate from, march against and generally let the public know that you do not agree with the chunk of nuts!! Although there is the occasional random dissenter, my question is, "Why don't "peaceful" Muslims follow this basic logic?"
Old    Ian Brown (wakereviews)      Join Date: Sep 2006       09-03-2010, 11:21 AM Reply   
seems dead on to me.
Old    Small Light (stephan)      Join Date: Nov 2002       09-03-2010, 4:59 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by wakeworld View Post
Why don't "peaceful" Muslims follow this basic logic?
I think a lot of "peaceful Muslims" do exactly that. The problem is, like in pre-war Germany, you either got on the crazy train, or got dealt with.

The issue is the difference between the civilizations, I would argue that Iraq is easily compared to Germany in that they have an infrastructure and an active economy. What turned the tide in Iraq? It was the realization that the cycle of violence was going to destroy the country. While the "Surge" put more boots on the ground, the greatest boost was from the "Awakening Movement", which took insurgents out of the fight and onto the payroll. Homegrown security at its cheapest/finest. The problem is, those that did stand up got dealt with. Only the promise of $ and not having a Hellfire missile dropped on your ass, made the risks worthwhile.

Now you've got a place like Afghanistan, while Muslim, more importantly they are members of a tribe. When you have a civilization based on tribal law, that has zero economy (other than drugs), zero prospect and only the hope that your crappy life just lasts a little longer. While there are people that are making an effort to stand up to the Taliban. When dealing with an entire civilization based on corruption, violence and no future, there is little incentive to get murdered for trying to make a difference.

It's easy to stand back from our position and say "stand up, make a difference", but when it's not your child, your wife, your livelihood being threatened, we have little to talk. You guys can run figures and what not, but it comes down to a human issue, "I don't want to die, my neighbor has a much better chance of finding and killing me than some Americans".

Thats my thoughts.
Old    Someone Else (deltahoosier)      Join Date: Jun 2002       09-04-2010, 8:59 AM Reply   
Well Stephen. That sounds almost exactly what I have been saying now for years on here. That is why I have always said that given the two wars, that Iraq was the right war and Afgahnistan (sp?) is the wrong war. Iraq has a chance because there are some educated people there and they are not tribalistic as much. They actually have a chance to be influenced in a positive manner as we live among them. Then they have the ability to influence Iran and Syria and so on. I think there are just some people you are not going to reach and that place is in Afgahnistan. Hope I am wrong but it will take a very long time to get that turned around if at all.
Old    Chris Butler (xistential)      Join Date: Jul 2007       09-05-2010, 1:35 AM Reply   
Stephan - I can buy into that.

But where are the "peace loving" muslims when their militant brothers go on the rampage through the capitals of Europe. I very seldom hear cries of condemnation when they march in London smashing cars and coffee shops in the process. Probably terrified,and imo justifiably so,that these militants will target them and their families next.Hell,the non muslims are terrified of saying anything.
And that just adds strength to the argument in the email "that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority is cowed and extraneous."
Basically,you go along to get along, and by the time you wake up it's too late.

Europe is sleepwalking it's way to oblivion. I cannot believe that people are too stupid to see it.
Old    Nick Schrein (wakeboardern1)      Join Date: Aug 2007       09-05-2010, 8:34 AM Reply   
man, this is too much agreement going on in one thread! Hahahaha.

To be completely honest, I agree with the entire thing, but had to put "SOME" in there to placate the local Christian haters who always try to bring up the crusades...
Old    Jeremy (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       09-05-2010, 10:46 AM Reply   
Any email that concludes with: "anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes this email without sending it on, is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand. So, extend yourself a bit and send this on and on and on! Let us hope that thousands, world-wide, read this and think about it, and send it on - before it's too late." (or similar), loses all credibility in my book. What is the necessity of forwarding this type of email? Yet, everyone of them seem to try to guilt you into forwarding.

To compare modern-day Muslim rule to the Nazi's is an absurd comparison. The Nazi party was able to revitalize the German economy which aided in winning over the majority of non-Jewish Germans. After they had won over the public, Hitler was then able to begin his atrocities a little at a time. Any political party could flourish in Iraq if it was able to salvage the Iraqi economy. The governments in many Muslim (and non-Muslim countries for that matter) work to keep the majority of the population poor. Look at North Korea, keep the masses poor, blame it on the USA and others, and then garnish support for anti-American (or European) rhetoric. That is why many flock to the insurgent groups, because they stay poor under the current system. Then the terrorist leaders promise to take care of the families in exchange for a suicide attack, etc.

And why does this email omit what Milosevic did to the Muslims in the former Yugoslavia back in the 90's?

Last edited by wake77; 09-05-2010 at 10:48 AM.
Old    Chris Butler (xistential)      Join Date: Jul 2007       09-06-2010, 2:10 AM Reply   
Jeremy - The muslims causing mayhem in Europe are not poor???

All the July 7 bombers were born and bred in the UK. Use all the opportunities a generous country afford you, then take them and the rights that come with it, to randomly blow them up.

These arguments will never be won.Too many people underestimate the threat. A lot of fairly prominent people throughout Europe are trying to sound a warning but they are in the minority and are dismissed as alarmists. Or,horror of horrors, racists. America is such a vast country that it is hard to imagine or even perceive that there is any threat. Most Superpowers throughout history have fallen from within. This will be no different. Smaller and poorer countries like in N.Africa fall first. The bigger more affluent ones take longer because of the infrastructure.The people do not need to be poor either.Indifference and an air of superiority works just as well.
Old    Jeremy (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       09-06-2010, 6:07 AM Reply   
^^^So what's the solution? Line up all of the Muslims and shoot them? Here in America, people are guaranteed the right to practice the religion they choose. Jehovah's Witnesses scare me more than than those of Islamic faith.
Old    Chris Butler (xistential)      Join Date: Jul 2007       09-06-2010, 7:01 AM Reply   
"Jehovah's Witnesses scare me more than than those of Islamic faith."

Absolutely. Their list of atrocities is endless. The way they came to your front door uninvited.........................
Scary stuff!!
Old    Nick Schrein (wakeboardern1)      Join Date: Aug 2007       09-07-2010, 11:09 AM Reply   
No, the solution is not to line them up and shoot them, the solution is not to cave into their threats of riots and violence when they don't get their way, and when they do riot, quell the thing with sheer force.

Last edited by wakeboardern1; 09-07-2010 at 11:10 AM. Reason: cause I accidentally put there instead of their and didn't want to be called an idiot as a way to try to invalidate my words.
Old    Train (ttrigo)      Join Date: Dec 2004       09-07-2010, 4:59 PM Reply   
I posted this a couple years back, and it is still relevant today.
Susan MacAllen, a Canadian citizen, is a contributing editor for (FamilySecurityMatters.org )
Salute the Danish Flag - it's a Symbol of Western Freedom By Susan MacAllen

In 1978-9 I was living and studying in Denmark . But in 1978 - even in Copenhagen, one didn't see Muslim immigrants.
The Danish population embraced visitors, celebrated the exotic, went out of its way to protect each of its citizens. It was proud of its new brand of socialist liberalism one in development since the conservatives had lost power in 1929 - a system where no worker had to struggle to survive, where one ultimately could count upon the state as in, perhaps, no other western nation at the time.
The rest of Europe saw the Scandinavians as free-thinking, progressive and infinitely generous in their welfare policies. Denmark boasted low crime rates, devotion to the environment, a superior educational system and a history of humanitarianism.
Denmark was also most generous in its immigration policies - it offered the best welcome in Europe to the new immigrant: generous welfare payments from first arrival plus additional perks in transportation, housing and education. It was determined to set a world example for inclusiveness and multiculturalism. How could it have predicted that one day in 2005 a series of political cartoons in a newspaper would spark violence that would leave dozens dead in the streets - all because its commitment to multiculturalism would come back to bite?
By the 1990's the growing urban Muslim population was obvious - and its unwillingness to integrate into Danish society was obvious. Years of immigrants had settled into Muslim-exclusive enclaves. As the Muslim leadership became more vocal about what they considered the decadence of Denmark 's liberal way of life, the Danes - once so welcoming - began to feel slighted. Many Danes had begun to see Islam as incompatible with their long-standing values: belief in personal liberty and free speech, in equality for women, in tolerance for other ethnic groups, and a deep pride in Danish heritage and history.
An article by Daniel Pipes and Lars Hedegaard, in which they forecasted, accurately, that the growing immigrant problem in Denmark would explode. In the article they reported:
'Muslim immigrants constitute 5 percent of the population but consume upwards of 40 percent of the welfare spending.'
'Muslims are only 4 percent of Denmark's 5.4 million people but make up a majority of the country's convicted rapists, an especially combustible issue given that practically all the female victims are non-Muslim. Similar, if lesser, disproportions are found in other crimes.'
'Over time, as Muslim immigrants increase in numbers, they wish less to mix with the indigenous population. A recent survey finds that only 5 percent of young Muslim immigrants would readily marry a Dane.'
'Forced marriages - promising a newborn daughter in Denmark to a male cousin in the home country, then compelling her to marry him, sometimes on pain of death - are one problem.'
'Muslim leaders openly declare their goal of introducing Islamic law once Denmark 's Muslim population grows large enough - a not-that-remote prospect. If present trends persist, one sociologist estimates, every third inhabitant of Denmark in 40 years will be Muslim.'
It is easy to understand why a growing number of Danes would feel that Muslim immigrants show little respect for Danish values and laws.
An example is the phenomenon common to other European countries and Canada: some Muslims in Denmark who opted to leave the Muslim faith have been murdered in the name of Islam, while others hide in fear for their lives. Jews are also threatened and harassed openly by Muslim leaders in Denmark, a country where once Christian citizens worked to smuggle out nearly all of their 7,000 Jews by night to Sweden - before the Nazis could invade. I think of my Danish friend Elsa - who, as a teenager, had dreaded crossing the street to the bakery every morning under the eyes of occupying Nazi soldiers - and I wonder what she would say today.
In 2001, Denmark elected the most conservative government in some 70 years - one that had some decidedly non-generous ideas about liberal unfettered immigration. Today, Denmark has the strictest immigration policies in Europe . (Its effort to protect itself has been met with accusations of 'racism' by liberal media across Europe - even as other governments struggle to right the social problems wrought by years of too-lax immigration.)
If you wish to become Danish, you must attend three years of language classes. You must pass a test on Denmark 's history, culture, and a Danish language test.
You must live in Denmark for 7 years before applying for citizenship.
You must demonstrate an intent to work, and have a job waiting. If you wish to bring a spouse into Denmark , you must both be over 24 years of age, and you won't find it so easy anymore to move your friends and family to Denmark with you.
You will not be allowed to build a mosque in Copenhagen . Although your children have a choice of some 30 Arabic culture and language schools in Denmark , they will be strongly encouraged to assimilate to Danish society in ways that past immigrants weren't.
In 2006, the Danish minister for employment, Claus Hjort Frederiksen, spoke publicly of the burden of Muslim immigrants on the Danish welfare system, and it was horrifying: the government's welfare committee had calculated that if immigration from Third World countries were blocked, 75 percent of the cuts needed to sustain the huge welfare system in coming decades would be unnecessary. In other words, the welfare system, as it existed, was being exploited by immigrants to the point of eventually bankrupting the government. 'We are simply forced to adopt a new policy on immigration.'
'The calculations of the welfare committee are terrifying and show how unsuccessful the integration of immigrants has been up to now,' he said.
A large thorn in the side of Denmark 's imams is the Minister of Immigration and Integration, Rikke Hvilshoj. She makes no bones about the new policy toward immigration, 'The number of foreigners coming to the country makes a difference,' Hvilshoj says, 'There is an inverse correlation between how many come here and how well we can receive the foreigners that come.' And on Muslim immigrants needing to demonstrate a willingness to blend in, 'In my view, Denmark should be a country with room for different cultures and religions. Some values, however, are more important than others. We refuse to question democracy, equal rights,and freedom of speech.'
Hvilshoj has paid a price for her show of backbone. Perhaps to test her resolve, the leading radical imam in Denmark, Ahmed Abdel Rahman Abu Laban, demanded that the government pay blood money to the family of a Muslim who was murdered in a suburb of Copenhagen, stating that the family's thirst for revenge could be thwarted for money. When Hvilshoj dismissed his demand, he argued that in Muslim culture the payment of retribution money was common, to which Hvilshoj replied that what is done in a Muslim country is not necessarily what is done in Denmark.
The Muslim reply came soon after: her house was torched while she, her husband and children slept. All managed to escape unharmed, but she and her family were moved to a secret location and she and other ministers were assigned bodyguards for the first time - in a country where such murderous violence was once so scarce.
Her government has slid to the right, and her borders have tightened. Many believe that what happens in the next decade will determine whether Denmark survives as a bastion of good living, humane thinking and social responsibility, or whether it becomes a nation at civil war with supporters of Sharia law.
And meanwhile, Canadians clamor for stricter immigration policies, and demand an end to state welfare programs that allow many immigrants to live on the public dole. As we in Canada look at the enclaves of Muslims amongst us,and see those who enter our shores too easily, dare live on our taxes, yet refuse to embrace our culture, respect our traditions, participate in our legal system, obey our laws, speak our language, appreciate our history. We would do well to look to Denmark , and say a prayer for her future and for our own.

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