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Old    Mike Johnson (thedrizzle605)      Join Date: Aug 2010       08-26-2010, 5:12 PM Reply   
I would love a v drive but the only possibility out there seems to be sanger v210 and even that is a far shot. i am hopeing to get a list of the best wake boats, models, and years for the lowest price. (direct drive is fine as long as the wake is killer) Im trying to land 7ns and many mobes i need a bigger and better wake!
Old    Jo Shmoe (joeshmoe)      Join Date: Jan 2003       08-26-2010, 7:56 PM Reply   
well its not going to be an I/O, this should do the trick
http://www.wakeworld.com/classifield...g.php?view=965
Old    Sparky Jay (wake_upppp)      Join Date: Nov 2003       08-26-2010, 10:16 PM Reply   
Look for a Sanger DLX. Same hull as V210 but a direct drive. Plenty capable. Malibu Response is their core slalom ski hull. With wedge and sacs it can be decent but handles like a tank with wedge down and a closed bow leaves a bit to be desired as far as a wake boat IMHO.
Old    Mike Johnson (thedrizzle605)      Join Date: Aug 2010       08-26-2010, 11:29 PM Reply   
i just have to ad i hate progressive wakes if i spend 14k i want a wake that will punt me off the top with out haveing to edge like crazy! like i said im making a list of good wake boats so i can shop for a wile.
Old    Mike Johnson (thedrizzle605)      Join Date: Aug 2010       08-26-2010, 11:52 PM Reply   
im talking hard core wakes worthy of compition, only i dont care if i have to spend all afternoon sacking it out i just want to know what boats will shape up to pro level wakes!
Old    Nick Warhol (nwarhol1105)      Join Date: Oct 2008       08-27-2010, 12:43 AM Reply   
Nautique 2001
1995+ Malibu Sunsetter
Sport Nautique
MC 205
Old    Darren Yearsley (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-27-2010, 2:49 AM Reply   
The V210 will produce the wake you want.
Old    clemons7778            08-27-2010, 6:04 AM Reply   
e-mail Doug@norriswake.com. i think he has two 2008 Sanger v210's for sale. it won't be under 14K but you won't find a better deal on that year boat. the phone number is 865-494-7844 or you can go to the website. norriswake.com
Old    Bruizza (bruizza)      Join Date: May 2009       08-27-2010, 8:44 AM Reply   
Don't know much about this boat but it is a V drive and a Nautique which leads me to believe if you sac it out you will have a large wake.

http://www.onlyinboards.com/Details.aspx?ID=820253
Old    Mike Johnson (thedrizzle605)      Join Date: Aug 2010       08-27-2010, 9:27 AM Reply   
sport nautique or super sport nautique what years and how do they compair to eachother?


and how well can the 2001 nautiques stack up to these other two? will the wake always be lacking in comparison?
Old    Shredtastic (seth)      Join Date: Sep 2002       08-27-2010, 9:53 AM Reply   
1995-2006 all super sport 210's and super air 210's are the same hull, and you can get straight punted off that wake. There are older super sports out there in the 14k range, you just have to be patient and keep looking for them. The sport nautique wake is somewhat similar but nothing really compares to the 210. Based on your above comments, the only boat you want is a 210.
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       08-27-2010, 10:24 AM Reply   
In order of what will put out the best wake:
1)Any Nautique Super Sport
2)Any Sanger V210
3)Supra Sunsport or Marauder(get 93 or newer, round windshield, if you want all fiberglass boat)
4)Malibu Sunsetter(94 or newer I think is the same hull as the VLX up to 2004)
5)Sport Nautique(I think any up to the 2000's were the same hull)
6)Sanger DLX or SangAir(same boat, any year)
7)Hydrodyne Gransport open bow(any year)
8)Natuqie 2001(82-89)
Old    sperbet            08-27-2010, 11:13 AM Reply   
if you're patient you can find a 95-97 Super Sport for $14-$16k. That is the only way to go IMO.
Old    sperbet            08-27-2010, 11:15 AM Reply   
oh, and look into the MC 205 and 205V. You can likely find a DD 205 in that price range. The 205V may be a bit more. It's also a very good option.
Old    Colin P (PictureMeRollin)      Join Date: Apr 2010       08-27-2010, 11:18 AM Reply   
Sanger DLX and V210 have the same hull so same wake with ballast.
Old    Kevin K (supra)      Join Date: Aug 2002       08-27-2010, 11:22 AM Reply   
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Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       08-27-2010, 11:30 AM Reply   
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Originally Posted by sperbet View Post
oh, and look into the MC 205 and 205V. You can likely find a DD 205 in that price range. The 205V may be a bit more. It's also a very good option.
Forgot those. A 205V will be hard to find but a regular 205 should be pretty easy. The only think that sucks about them is they are small and have virtually no storage.

You may also be able to find a 96-99 or so sunsetter VLX which would be a great option.
Old    AtTheLake (bmartin)      Join Date: Jan 2007       08-27-2010, 11:37 AM Reply   
Sport Nautiques and MC205s are the go to models but a V will be tough under $14K. You may be able to find a V in a Moomba Outback or Centurion Eclipse / Elite and those will kick up a decent wake. The Centswakes are like the vintage SAN vert shape but are touchy with weight placement.
Old    Tony (Tloud)      Join Date: Aug 2010       08-27-2010, 2:40 PM Reply   
anybody know anything about the supra mariah? I found some older ones like 88 through early 90s for pretty cheap. Would these be a good wakeboat if a tower and ballasts were added?
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       08-27-2010, 2:50 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tloud View Post
anybody know anything about the supra mariah? I found some older ones like 88 through early 90s for pretty cheap. Would these be a good wakeboat if a tower and ballasts were added?
I don't think they are all that good. They are kind of low profile compared to the Sunsport and Saltaire. The hull you really want for boarding is the Sunsport. I don't think it is just because of the sunsport being deeper but somehow it has a better hull for producing a wake I think.
Old    Bill K (bill_airjunky)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-27-2010, 3:08 PM Reply   
Yea, Supra had a couple of slalom boats that have a really low transom.... Comp, TS, TS6M, etc.. Guys are still weighting them & getting a descent wake from the boat. But it makes for a tense time on the water when your rub rails are in the water & a surf boat cruises by & sends you a wave. Better be on the ball & get that boat turned around & setup to hit that wave right or the Supra will be swamped in a hurry.
Old    Mike Johnson (thedrizzle605)      Join Date: Aug 2010       08-27-2010, 9:07 PM Reply   
thanks everyone! those are all good options i think i know what to look out for now but just one more question. whitch wake can you take tricks bigger with sanger v 210, super sport nautique, or 96 and newer mastercraft 205?
Old    Brock Landers (formfunction)      Join Date: Jun 2008       08-28-2010, 12:27 PM Reply   
You people are greatly underestimating the 2001.I would put mine up to the pepsi challenge any day of the week.
Old    Darren Yearsley (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-28-2010, 1:51 PM Reply   
I owned both a SN2001 and a Sanger V210 together, I bought the SN as a project boat for something to play around with. We used to run around 1700 pounds in the SN so have experienced that wake fully loaded. The SN is a great little boat with a very poppy good sized wake but the wake lacks a lot mass compared to a boat like the V210/SAN/205V. The wake is a lot more twitchy and you are always in danger of busting the lip out when you ride longer rope lengths and charge hard. The table width between the wakes is also very narrow but the wake doesn't have the mass to ride any longer than 80ft line. Don't get me wrong I loved that little boat but the wake it produces is VERY different to wake is considered a "pro style" wake these days.

Mike the boat with the biggest usable wake potential IMO is the 205V it is the most mellow of the three (V210 SAN210 205V) and can be built in to the biggest most solid well shaped mass of water BUT to really max this wake out you need 3500+ pounds of ballast. The SAN210 can get bigger but is too steep to really ride with any consistency. The V210 is the most limited due to the hull depth but you can get a very substantial well shaped everyday wake without having to really slam them down too much. Personally I would look at other aspects of the boat to make your purchasing decision (condition/price/availability) rather than wake performance, these three boats can all produce the wake you are looking for.

The attached wake pic is a V210 with around 2200 pounds @ 23mpg & 80ft rope length. I am 6ft tall for reference.
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Old    Mike Johnson (thedrizzle605)      Join Date: Aug 2010       08-28-2010, 5:31 PM Reply   
Thanks im going to keep trying for a sanger! my lake is pritty calm and im use to driving a boat with a low side rail. I just missed a 1999 going for 12000! I flew out to cali last week to check it out and he had just sold it to someone the same day. ow well thanks for all the help!
Old    Brock Landers (formfunction)      Join Date: Jun 2008       08-28-2010, 8:22 PM Reply   
1700 hundred pounds is not fully loaded and a shortage of weight in the bow will do exactly what you described.Like I said before we dialed my boat and at 19.5 feet there is not a better boat.
When you jump up to the 20.5 range there is a few boats that are top notch sanger being on the top of my list and the larger open bow is much more comfortable.
To me the 205 comes to life somewhere around 2500 to 3000 pounds and can be a bear to drive at that weight along with high fuel cost would steer me away.
So if it was me the sanger would be my first choice unless you can find a old super sport.
Old    BELEZA (beleza)      Join Date: Mar 2010       08-28-2010, 11:01 PM Reply   
If you could come up with a bit more cash... or work him down a bit on the price, this boat would be perrrrfect. Nice Super Sport with low hours. The guy emailed me a bunch of pics and the boat seems very clean. Thought about driving myself to buy it, but could'nt talk the wife into it...

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/1923193124.html
Old    Eric (wakeboardin2k4)      Join Date: Sep 2006       08-29-2010, 6:04 PM Reply   
buy my boat for 9000 obo! 86 ski nautique with the rare 454 chevy big block. Load it up with 2000lbs of ballast/people and watch this 19 foot boat just laugh at that weight. Fully automatic ballast system! Pump in 1500 lbs of ballast in under 9 minutes using almost no battery power! HEI performance distributor (advanced electronic ignition)
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Old    Mike K (mike2001)      Join Date: Feb 2008       08-29-2010, 6:58 PM Reply   
How does the wake on a 91-93 Nautique Excel compare to the others listed in this thread? How much weight does it take to make it nice. Seems like one of the best v-drive options in this price range if the wake is right.
Old    Mike Johnson (thedrizzle605)      Join Date: Aug 2010       08-29-2010, 7:36 PM Reply   
so wen you edge in agressivley behind a 2001 will the wake wash out a bit since its sutch a narow beam? is it stable ?
Old    BELEZA (beleza)      Join Date: Mar 2010       08-29-2010, 10:16 PM Reply   
The wake will stay clean on the side you are hitting on the 2001. The opposite wake might wash out a bit cuz you are pulling the boat. Whatever wake you hit will stay clean if the weight is properly distributed in the boat.
Old    Shredtastic (seth)      Join Date: Sep 2002       08-29-2010, 10:50 PM Reply   
dude jump on that super sport, that thing is gangster.
Old    Mike Johnson (thedrizzle605)      Join Date: Aug 2010       08-29-2010, 10:54 PM Reply   
yea but wont it become more rounded.i know this will happenin any boat but wont it happen in the 2001 more than others?
Old    BELEZA (beleza)      Join Date: Mar 2010       08-30-2010, 12:09 AM Reply   
More rounded? My 2001 wake stayed pretty solid and vert. It definitely has side to side sway if the rider cuts out hard, but that because it's a small narrow boat.
Old    Tony (tride)      Join Date: Aug 2007       08-30-2010, 1:31 PM Reply   
Mike,
I have a 1986 Supra Sunsport I'll sell you,
Tower, Heater, Perfect pass, auto ballast.
I'm in Northern Michigan, Da U.P.
Old    Mike Johnson (thedrizzle605)      Join Date: Aug 2010       08-31-2010, 6:21 PM Reply   
so how is the wake on those 86 sunsports?
Old    Mike Johnson (thedrizzle605)      Join Date: Aug 2010       08-31-2010, 6:25 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by polarbill View Post
In order of what will put out the best wake:
1)Any Nautique Super Sport
2)Any Sanger V210
3)Supra Sunsport or Marauder(get 93 or newer, round windshield, if you want all fiberglass boat)
4)Malibu Sunsetter(94 or newer I think is the same hull as the VLX up to 2004)
5)Sport Nautique(I think any up to the 2000's were the same hull)
6)Sanger DLX or SangAir(same boat, any year)
7)Hydrodyne Gransport open bow(any year)
8)Natuqie 2001(82-89)

do you know mutch about the 86 sunsprts i think i found a really good deal unless there are things to watch out for? how does it rate on the wake scale?
Old    Jeff D (Jeff)      Join Date: May 2010       09-01-2010, 7:12 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedrizzle605 View Post
... unless there are things to watch out for?
It will have wood stringers which could be rotten and it's a huge deal to replace them. I've never been in the market for a wood stringer boat so I couldn't tell you how to evaluate whether or not they're rotten.
Old    Mattgettel (mattgettel)      Join Date: Jan 2009       09-01-2010, 7:41 AM Reply   
one way to check if the stringers are wooden is to tighten a couple of the bolts on the engine mount. if it tightens you know the stringers are not shot. if it just spins and spins you can be assured they are toast and you dont want the boat. Even if the bolts do tighten you don't know that the stringers are good but at least you know they are good where the motor mounts. I own a 1990 sunsport and the stringers are solid as new. This boat was stored in a climate controlled building for nearly all of its life. Remember that just because it is older doesn't mean the stringers are shot but there is always a chance.
Old    Tony (Tloud)      Join Date: Aug 2010       09-01-2010, 12:18 PM Reply   
I found a Supra Conbrio for pretty dirt cheap. Anybody know anything about these?
Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       09-01-2010, 12:20 PM Reply   
Bayliner Ski Challenger or Wake Challenger. Good true v-drives for less then 12k usually. Mine had 1500 pounds of ballast and threw a sick wake.
Old     (spiff454)      Join Date: Sep 2005       09-01-2010, 4:24 PM Reply   
I have a sweet 98 air Nautique for 15k. if you are interested. Colors are Black and grey.
Old    steve (ss1234)      Join Date: Jul 2005       09-01-2010, 5:43 PM Reply   
avoid Sangers for the wood stringers.....
Old    Darren Yearsley (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       09-01-2010, 6:06 PM Reply   
Avoid steve for the sarcastic wit. Haha
Old    Harold Hemming (h20king)      Join Date: Dec 2009       09-01-2010, 6:27 PM Reply   
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/boa/1929503606.html it is a little more than you are looking to spend but would be a great buy for somebody
Old    Colin P (PictureMeRollin)      Join Date: Apr 2010       09-01-2010, 6:40 PM Reply   
steve is right, those Sangers are fire hazards
Old    Kevin R Baugh (krbaugh)      Join Date: Mar 2002       09-01-2010, 6:51 PM Reply   
The nickname for the Supra Combrio was the Supra Sub.....
Old    Harold Hemming (h20king)      Join Date: Dec 2009       09-02-2010, 10:39 AM Reply   
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/boa/1931945886.html this one just showed up today
Old    BELEZA (beleza)      Join Date: Mar 2010       09-02-2010, 12:03 PM Reply   
Nice boat, but $16k is waaay steep. I would offer him like $10k max. For $16k that 97 Super Sport is the best buy.
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       09-02-2010, 1:13 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by beleza View Post
Nice boat, but $16k is waaay steep. I would offer him like $10k max. For $16k that 97 Super Sport is the best buy.
I agree that 16k is way high on that boat. It isn't worth more than 12k.
Old    WakeMikey (wakemikey)      Join Date: Mar 2008       09-02-2010, 4:42 PM Reply   
Older Supras you only want the SunSport, or Marauder (closed bow), or the 24' Saltare or Pirata (closed bow). All other as water ski boats.
Old    Tony (Tloud)      Join Date: Aug 2010       09-02-2010, 5:03 PM Reply   
I was looking at the bayliner challenger series and havent been able to find them anywhere. Actually the first time i saw one was a couple weeks ago up at an auto auction that i go to for work, but it was the ski challenger direct drive. But I've only heard good things about the v-drives from these. it'd be sick if you could find one
Old    Colin P (PictureMeRollin)      Join Date: Apr 2010       09-02-2010, 5:20 PM Reply   
heres a 1990 ski challenger for $6000
http://medford.craigslist.org/boa/1930287858.html
Old    Colin P (PictureMeRollin)      Join Date: Apr 2010       09-02-2010, 5:24 PM Reply   
another ski challenger in oregon for $9950. this one looks clean
http://salem.craigslist.org/boa/1885004398.html
Old    Colin P (PictureMeRollin)      Join Date: Apr 2010       09-02-2010, 5:27 PM Reply   
another in south dakota. 1998 ski challenger open bow for $9000.. not bad
http://siouxfalls.craigslist.org/boa/1881604088.html
Old    Tony (Tloud)      Join Date: Aug 2010       09-02-2010, 5:31 PM Reply   
those arent bad but you gotta find the wake challenger v-drive i think they started making in 97 or 98..
Old    Eric Anderson (e_rock32)      Join Date: Oct 2009       09-02-2010, 6:10 PM Reply   
I've got a 95 sport nautique (first make in 93)... we put a little over 2000 in the back, 800 up front and about 300 in the locker. Got the prop with the smaller pitch and ride at 75' back and the wake is really nice. It gets pretty crowded in the boat, but the sides are pretty wide to walk on and with the effort the wake is one of the better wakes I've rode. I'm trying to get 7's and mobes too, I just haven't landed any yet. If you want space, I would suggest a super sport nautique (first make in 95), or there is also the malibu sunsetter vlx (first make in 96) or the mastercraft 205v /x-star (first make in 98).
Old    Wake UP And Ride (WakeUpandRide)      Join Date: Jul 2010       09-04-2010, 4:09 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by mike2001 View Post
How does the wake on a 91-93 Nautique Excel compare to the others listed in this thread? How much weight does it take to make it nice. Seems like one of the best v-drive options in this price range if the wake is right.
id also like some more info on these boats
Old    Jon (jon4pres)      Join Date: May 2004       09-04-2010, 5:14 PM Reply   
I have never seen an excel but considered buying one when I was looking for my current boat.

If I remember right . . .

The consensus was that the boat had a deeper V which made the boat lack that signature hard kicky nautique wake.
Old    Tre (tre)      Join Date: Jul 2002       09-04-2010, 6:33 PM Reply   
Take the advice about the Sanger V210. I rode behind one for a few days last month and the wake with the stock 1500lb ballast and 6 people in the boat was great. We rode about 22Mph at 75 feet and the wake really threw you up. I had great pop off that wake. It was every bit as good as any of the top boats I've been behind.
Old    Wake UP And Ride (WakeUpandRide)      Join Date: Jul 2010       09-04-2010, 6:54 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by jon4pres View Post
I have never seen an excel but considered buying one when I was looking for my current boat.

If I remember right . . .

The consensus was that the boat had a deeper V which made the boat lack that signature hard kicky nautique wake.
but what are the general wake characteristics? is it a decent buy?
Old    Mike K (mike2001)      Join Date: Feb 2008       09-06-2010, 2:47 PM Reply   
Wake up- from what I've read, it is the same as a barefoot nautique hull, which means it'd probably take a lot more weight to get a decent wake
Old    Duffy Mahoney (duffymahoney)      Join Date: Sep 2008       09-06-2010, 7:05 PM Reply   
Some pictures of my ski challenger V-drive. I had a bow sac, ski locker sac and 450s in each locker. All pumps on switches with a decent stereo and perfect pass all for under 14k. Such a fun boat. It's wakeboard wake is similar to an older xstar.
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Old    Tony (Tloud)      Join Date: Aug 2010       09-06-2010, 8:17 PM Reply   
hell yea nice setup dude

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