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Old    "G" (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       08-12-2010, 7:00 PM Reply   
A Mosque Please tell me this is a Joke. I read the Newsweek story were 2 widows of fallen firemen had 2 diffrent views and weather a mosque should be built 2 blocks from ground zero.

Then I saw this story in news week online
http://www.newsweek.com/photo/2010/0...e-protests.htm

and this
http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/the-ga...een-light.html
Old    Jeremy (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       08-12-2010, 7:20 PM Reply   
What, we can tell people what they can and cannot legally place on their private property? "pls, refudiate."
Old    Dan (hco)      Join Date: Jun 2006       08-12-2010, 8:05 PM Reply   
I understand that there is nothing in the law to prevent a mosque being built, but this is ridiculous. I know september 11th left it's mark with everyone but up here being only an hour away from the city and having lost family and friends this enrages me.
Old    Wes (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       08-12-2010, 9:05 PM Reply   
Old    Barry Waste (barry)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-12-2010, 9:21 PM Reply   
Oh, they're going to learn the true meaning of Islam, alright.

Their ability to substitute optimism for reality is impressive.

Last edited by barry; 08-12-2010 at 9:26 PM.
Old    Big D (bigdtx)      Join Date: Feb 2005       08-13-2010, 5:52 AM Reply   
Jay Leno said it best - "A mosque? Hell yes! A mosque is the safest place in America - we should have a mosque on top of every building." hahaha.
Old    Aaron (aarond0083)      Join Date: Apr 2007       08-13-2010, 7:27 AM Reply   
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/08...attackers-met/
Old    David Williams (wakeworld)      Join Date: Jan 1997       08-13-2010, 7:41 AM Reply   
No worries, the Islam-themed gay bar next door, Suspicious Packages, will even things out...

Old    Adam R (wakecumberland)      Join Date: Oct 2007       08-13-2010, 8:03 AM Reply   
I understand the argument that the Government shouldn't be able to tell you what you can build on private property, eventhough they do it everyday in the form of zoning ordinances, its sort of like placing a Japanese symbol of significance next to Pearl Harbor. You can do it.........but you shouldn't.
Old    "G" (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       08-13-2010, 8:33 AM Reply   
The Goverment and the Community already puts restrictions on what you can have and where. Example If you wanted to build a STRIP club or Marjuanna Club, right next to a School you would have a Problem.

I say we let the R.N.S.F.A decide what go's there
Old    Barry Waste (barry)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-13-2010, 9:17 AM Reply   
David,
That is hilarious..
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       08-13-2010, 9:28 AM Reply   
Thing that cracks me up is how up in arms people from all over the country are. How 'bout we let New Yorkers decide what gets built in NYC?
Old    Jason B (jason_b)      Join Date: Feb 2008       08-13-2010, 9:43 AM Reply   
It's just a slap in the face. Just poor taste and totally classless. It's rubbing salt in a wound, making a mockery of our own freedom. I CAN get a swastika (sp?) tatoo on my forehead, but I SHOULDN'T. If I did, then it would be expected that some people are going to take issue with it. NO different than building a mosque anywhere near ground zero. Not even Lon would stoop that damn low.

I would donate graciously to 3 new businesses that would be established on all sides of the Mosque, a strip club, a gay bar, and a porn shop.

@Shawndoggy- the attack was on our culture, our country, and on our people. yes, NY was the "site" of the attack...so was DC and one other targeted site. IMHO, it's not a motter of what NYers feel is right. They didn't attack NYers, they attacked ALL of us through a building in NY.

Last edited by jason_b; 08-13-2010 at 9:49 AM.
Old    Jeremy (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       08-13-2010, 10:17 AM Reply   
David Korresh was a "Christian". Would there be any outcry if a group wanted to build a church on the old Branch Davidian compound? What if some guy wanted to put an adult video store at the site of the proposed mosque? Is that more acceptable? The site is appropriately zoned, so I don't see the problem.

Muslims, like it or not, make up a decent size of the population of the US. What next, we tell them they have to leave or close their businesses?
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       08-13-2010, 10:17 AM Reply   
You know that there is already a mosque 4 blocks away which predates construction of wtc, right? And that this building is two blocks away?
Old    Big D (bigdtx)      Join Date: Feb 2005       08-13-2010, 11:52 AM Reply   
shawndoggy - don't throw water on the mob's torches. They want to rage in peace.
Old    Train (ttrigo)      Join Date: Dec 2004       08-13-2010, 12:04 PM Reply   
so thousands of americans are killed on US soil in the name of islam, and the best thing for that space is a mosque?
you libs who think this is ok really make me laugh.
Old    Taylor Jensen (wakeboardertj)      Join Date: May 2005       08-13-2010, 2:02 PM Reply   
An islamic lady that Oreilly had on his program said it perfectly, something along the lines of "if we are trying to gain respect and acceptance in America this is NOT the way to do it."

Jeremy, you're a joke. If you don't see how this would upset people and that it's a slap in the face to Americans that died that day then my assumptions have been right all along, you really do have your head up your ass.

Last edited by wakeboardertj; 08-13-2010 at 2:04 PM.
Old    Hate N Pain (hatepain)      Join Date: Aug 2006       08-13-2010, 2:45 PM Reply   
Quote:
David Korresh was a "Christian".
Nope, he was Branch Davidian

Quote:
Would there be any outcry if a group wanted to build a church on the old Branch Davidian compound
I don't see how this is analogous

Quote:
The site is appropriately zoned, so I don't see the problem.
It's not a question of legality but of morality.

Quote:
Jeremy, you're a joke. If you don't see how this would upset people and that it's a slap in the face to Americans that died that day then my assumptions have been right all along, you really do have your head up your ass.
Couldn't agree more!
Old    dennis engle (deneng)      Join Date: Feb 2005       08-13-2010, 2:49 PM Reply   
David Korresh was not a christian . He was a nazi ! He belonged to a far off sect of christianity. Jim Jones claimed to be a christian at first. Good point Taylor i think there are many islamic worshipers that feel this way.
Old    Taylor Jensen (wakeboardertj)      Join Date: May 2005       08-13-2010, 3:02 PM Reply   
Old    Ryan (bsebllhglyknit)      Join Date: Jul 2007       08-13-2010, 8:41 PM Reply   
Correct If I am wrong but arent there quite a bit of people in this nation that worship islam that were probably hurt just as bad as some of us "christians". Just because their building a mosque a few blocks away from ground zero, in my opinion is not a slap in the face. Its a right that all of us have in this nation, freedom of religion and some of us will fight to the dealth to keep it... but somehow its differant when its a differant religion then what most of the country follows.

Dont we have bigger things to worry about then where they are building a mosque, in which they have every right to?

Last edited by bsebllhglyknit; 08-13-2010 at 8:42 PM. Reason: spelling
Old    Wes (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       08-13-2010, 9:20 PM Reply   
The noises that Beck makes when the guy says "Infidelicious" and "Ram a Dam" are pricelesssssss
Old    Bret Rogers (bmr82)      Join Date: Jul 2008       08-14-2010, 5:58 AM Reply   
This country was founded on freedom of religion. It goes against our foundation to tell them they can't build a mosque at near ground zero. Or to tell them they can't practice Islam in this country. However, Islam is a different animal from other religions. Other religions are bound by serperation of Church and State. Try to explain that to a muslim and you'll have lawsuit on your a$$ so fast it's not funny. They are not bound by the same restrictions as Christians and other religions.
Old    Chris Butler (xistential)      Join Date: Jul 2007       08-14-2010, 11:49 AM Reply   
"They are not bound by the same restrictions as Christians and other religions."

They are not bound by anything are they? Everything is perceived as a threat or an insult.
Old    Ron T (Laker1234)      Join Date: Mar 2010       08-14-2010, 2:26 PM Reply   
I wouldn't be surprised if tax dollars will not be used.
Old    Bret Rogers (bmr82)      Join Date: Jul 2008       08-15-2010, 1:53 AM Reply   
True Chris. That is why I dislike them so.
Old    Ron T (Laker1234)      Join Date: Mar 2010       08-15-2010, 10:17 PM Reply   
Seems as though the president agrees http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...s-freedom.html
Old    Wes (pesos)      Join Date: Oct 2001       08-15-2010, 10:48 PM Reply   
Agrees with what? That's it's legal? Nobody disagrees with that (except those that are ignorant).
Old    Ron T (Laker1234)      Join Date: Mar 2010       08-16-2010, 4:32 AM Reply   
Yes, he agrees it should be built--that's obvious when he says,.“That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances.” However, IMHO, The US is a big country and as a leader, he should be encouraging them to build elsewhere. I say victims, such as the ones who lost loved ones in the tragedy, have the right not to have this slapped in their face.
Old    Manzo (zo1)      Join Date: Aug 2002       08-16-2010, 6:45 AM Reply   
Were any of the victims that died in the tragedy Islamic (aside for the asshats who caused the tragedy?)
Old    J B (bjeremi)      Join Date: Mar 2006       08-16-2010, 7:23 AM Reply   
yes
Old    Brett W (brettw)      Join Date: Jul 2007       08-16-2010, 7:41 AM Reply   
"Yes, he agrees it should be built--that's obvious when he says..."

No, Obama correctly stated they have the right to build it there. He didn't say they should and from what I read refuses to comment on if it should be built there.

Is it wise to build it there, especially with all the outcry? No, probably not, given the reality of how people view Islam in this country. It would probably be better for Islam and Muslims if they backed down and built this Mosque and center somewhere else, regardless of the rationale of those who don't want it there.
Old    Shawndoggy (shawndoggy)      Join Date: Nov 2009       08-16-2010, 8:03 AM Reply   
no gays, athiests, buddists, agnostics, minorities, biggots or jews where killed in the WTC, everybody knows that. Only God-fearing born again Christians.
Old    A-dub (behindtheboat)      Join Date: Aug 2006       08-16-2010, 8:18 AM Reply   
seems similar to the kids wearing american flags on cinco de mayo to school. It was legal, but sending them home stopped an even worse occurrence. You'd think they wouldn't do this just to prevent possible future issues
Old    Jeremy (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       08-16-2010, 8:24 AM Reply   
"David Korresh was not a christian...He belonged to a far off sect of christianity."

Uhhh, oh, okay then, that makes perfect sense.

Plenty of innocent Muslims were killed at ground zero. There are Muslim rescue workers that responded to the scene. There are thousands of Muslims service members fighting al-Quada, the group actually responsible for the attacks.
Old    Ron T (Laker1234)      Join Date: Mar 2010       08-16-2010, 8:43 AM Reply   
Well said, Brett, and that's my point. To me, it's bad timing and by not at least stating that he is okay wiht it.
Old    Barry Waste (barry)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-16-2010, 12:40 PM Reply   
So lets reverse engineer this. A group of Jewish zealots drive fuel oil/fertilizer tankers to a Dearborn Michigan Muslim street festival and push the red buttons, immolating thousands of innocent Islamist enjoying themselves. Five years later a Jewish rabbi who earlier stated that it was partially the Muslims fault for the tragedy, gathers some money and wants to build a Synagogue a block away from ground zero.

I'm certain the 'blind and optimistic' crowd who doesn't have the ability to recognize fail would be just as eager to promote tolerance.

Toolbags.
Old    Manzo (zo1)      Join Date: Aug 2002       08-16-2010, 1:20 PM Reply   
How far away is far enough? It is not on site, it is 2 blocks away. Is 20 blocks enough? What is the point of the magic line that determines the distance it would need to be from Ground Zero.

I am not saying that it is not in bad taste, that it is a great idea blah blah blah, but the argument that it is too close is pretty wishy washy.

Problem is, it is a matter of opinion. The law is the law and it is legal and allowable. No different than that golfer this weekend. Rule is the rule regardless of how good or bad the specific circumstance is.
Old    Cliff Griffin (seattle)      Join Date: Mar 2002       08-16-2010, 5:35 PM Reply   
Go ahead and build it... Won't be long before some 'Wack Job" who believes the're doing it for God blows the damn thing up.
Old    GD (diamonddad)      Join Date: Mar 2010       08-16-2010, 6:15 PM Reply   
Is "the religion of the sword", an intolerant and extreme religion, compatible with religious freedom and separation of church and state?

Last edited by diamonddad; 08-16-2010 at 6:16 PM. Reason: typo
Old    B Poser (bbr)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-16-2010, 10:11 PM Reply   
It shouldn't be built.....period.
Old    Small Light (stephan)      Join Date: Nov 2002       08-18-2010, 4:08 PM Reply   
I just read this on CNN, its a commentary by a local Rabbi and his support for not only the location but for the Imam who wishes to open the Islamic community center in Lower Manhattan.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/0...?iref=obinsite

Seems like the Imam is a pretty cool guy. Leader in inter-faith dialogue within the city, author of "What's Right with Islam" and supported by the Jewish Council on Public Affairs. He is stated to be "An American imam who offers answers for today's toughest questions about Islam, and a vision for a reconciliation between Islam and the West."

For those that love peace and America, isn't that the type of guy you'd want speaking to Muslims in Lower Manhattan?
Old    Someone Else (deltahoosier)      Join Date: Jun 2002       08-18-2010, 5:00 PM Reply   
Wasn't he also the same guy who also said we were at fault for 9/11?
Old    Barry Waste (barry)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-18-2010, 5:02 PM Reply   
Quote:
It shouldn't be built.....period.
Morally I agree with you.. legally? Not so much.
Old    Chris Butler (xistential)      Join Date: Jul 2007       08-19-2010, 12:24 AM Reply   
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...y-goodbye.html
Old    Manzo (zo1)      Join Date: Aug 2002       08-19-2010, 7:18 AM Reply   
Obama is already done. With him hammered in approval on everything from the Economy to the Oil Spill to the Wars. Only way he gets re-elected is if the Pubs put Palin out there as the opponent.
Old    Mattgettel (mattgettel)      Join Date: Jan 2009       08-19-2010, 7:44 AM Reply   
You want to talk legal Barry?
How about all the illegal immigrants?
Old    Barry Waste (barry)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-19-2010, 9:21 AM Reply   
Quote:
You want to talk legal Barry?
How about all the illegal immigrants?

I'm not sure how the immigration issue relates to moral/legal implication of building a mosque near ground zero...would you mind explaining that to me, please?
Old    Barry Waste (barry)      Join Date: Apr 2002       08-19-2010, 9:22 AM Reply   
Chris,
in response to the link you posted- He'll be a one term president regardless.
Old     (athleticmale)      Join Date: Aug 2010       08-19-2010, 10:14 AM Reply   
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cw_EzRKRYS...r+tailgate.jpg
Old    Chris Butler (xistential)      Join Date: Jul 2007       08-19-2010, 10:47 AM Reply   
Barry - I just thought I would throw in a view from across the pond so to speak. You're probably right but this could kill him off just 2 years in. Incredible that he cannot see that this goes way,way beyond legalities. I always thought he was more style than substance anyway.
Old    Jeremy (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       08-19-2010, 12:50 PM Reply   
(From Chris's link about Obama)

"Obama’s words would have come as a surprise not only to the Founding Fathers, who established the United States on concrete Christian principles."

This is a very non-factual statement. The author should see what Texas is doing by not teaching about Thomas Jefferson (because he was not a very religious person), who probably contributed the most in establishing the U.S.A. George Washington was not very devout in religion either.
Old    "G" (grant_west)      Join Date: Jun 2005       08-23-2010, 4:36 PM Reply   
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/pa...surprised.html

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