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Old    Jilly (jillyjam)      Join Date: Feb 2006       07-14-2010, 9:16 AM Reply   
They have pics posted on their FB wall:

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/...d=315227661751
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       07-14-2010, 9:42 AM Reply   
Wow, that automatic tower is not the best looking thing I have ever seen. I am not sure I like the graphics at all either. I was told that they are offering 3 or 4 different gelcoat schemes though so it might not matter. They are getting wild with their interior and accents.
Old    Alan Slabaugh (alans)      Join Date: Aug 2005       07-14-2010, 9:48 AM Reply   
They are definitely catering to a different crowd with that design feature. I am sure they will sell a ton of them and the first person to buy one will be the guy with the x-45 on my lake that pulls tubers from sun up to sun down while risking the lives of almost every wakeboarder on the lake.
Old    Bruizza (bruizza)      Join Date: May 2009       07-14-2010, 9:54 AM Reply   
I like that X-45!
Old    sperbet            07-14-2010, 9:56 AM Reply   
this industry is so ass backwards. Little to no innovation in the actually quality of the wake a "wake boat" puts out over the past 15 years. But hey, we've now got auto towers cause that is so totally necessary....
Old    Chaserwaser            07-14-2010, 9:57 AM Reply   
Lol when did we start taking parts off of optimus prime for our towers...
Old    Dave (bcrider)      Join Date: Apr 2006       07-14-2010, 10:06 AM Reply   
Damn....can't access FB from work. Can someone post the pics?
Old    Matt Reid (mjr)      Join Date: May 2009       07-14-2010, 10:07 AM Reply   
Tower of Power!
Old    Joe (ilikebeaverandboats)      Join Date: Jul 2007       07-14-2010, 10:28 AM Reply   
Its like Thor's hammer on a wakeboard boat.....or like chase said....optimus prime's unit hahaha.
Old    Joe (ilikebeaverandboats)      Join Date: Jul 2007       07-14-2010, 10:35 AM Reply   
Just looked at some more of those pictures, who took these!? they are all framed like ****, you cant see the whole boat in most of them.
Old    SamIngram            07-14-2010, 10:42 AM Reply   
Here you go...
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Old    Parker Frost (waketowake)      Join Date: Jul 2007       07-14-2010, 10:48 AM Reply   
Yea im not diggen the paint at all..or the auto towers. Im a mastercraft guy, and im kinda disappointed. I did like the the x 15 tower though.
Old    SamIngram            07-14-2010, 10:53 AM Reply   
Where is the CSX?
Old    David (colombiansurfer)      Join Date: Sep 2008       07-14-2010, 10:55 AM Reply   
Noticed no speakers on that new tower.
Old    rod (rodltg2)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-14-2010, 10:58 AM Reply   
That 197 is one sick boat!
Old    Ian Brown (wakereviews)      Join Date: Sep 2006       07-14-2010, 11:00 AM Reply   
197 is sick... that X15 is wild.
Old    Jay (ironj32)      Join Date: Jan 2007       07-14-2010, 11:04 AM Reply   
I'm kinda diggin' the new paint scheme...I'm an odd ball though, lol.
Old    Darren Yearsley (ralph)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-14-2010, 11:05 AM Reply   
Wow. "I'm not quite athletic enough to lift up the tower....... Thank god we have a mastercraft, Lets go wakeboarding!"
Old    A-dub (behindtheboat)      Join Date: Aug 2006       07-14-2010, 11:11 AM Reply   
at least you'll be able to identify a 2011 easily
Old    Tim (srock)      Join Date: Mar 2002       07-14-2010, 11:14 AM Reply   
In 15 years we will look back at this stuff and say my god what was I thinking. Kinda like my high school prom photo with a powder blue tux with ruffles and a big mop of hair.
Old    ScottRobinson            07-14-2010, 11:30 AM Reply   
I like the X45 scheme. Sorta like the tower myself, but not into having more moving things on a boat. Wish it were manual instead. Not a MC guy at all but like the X45 alot.
Old    Tallredrider (talltigeguy)      Join Date: Sep 2003       07-14-2010, 11:41 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottRobinson View Post
I like the X45 scheme. Sorta like the tower myself, but not into having more moving things on a boat. Wish it were manual instead. Not a MC guy at all but like the X45 alot.
Right now there is good value in a 1990 prostar.

Now fast forward to 2030. NO one is going to want that moving tower because it will be next to impossible to fix it when it breaks.

No more moving parts, IMHO. I am in favor of keeping it simple, but I don't know anything, I am still complaining about LCD touch screens for the same reason and everyone has one now.
Old    Brit Rider (brit_rider)      Join Date: May 2004       07-14-2010, 12:25 PM Reply   
Where's the new for 2011 X star?
Old    Jeremy (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-14-2010, 12:27 PM Reply   
^It looks like the 3rd and 4th photo from the bottom are the new X-Star, but yeah I was wanting to see more photos of that boat.
Old    Chris (crosenhahn)      Join Date: Feb 2008       07-14-2010, 12:38 PM Reply   
I like the graphic schemes...sure is better than tribals and skulls everywhere. Definitely don't like the Power Tower!!! Might actually be worse looking than the wakecraft tower...imho. The tower on the x-15 looks very nice though!
Old    Brit Rider (brit_rider)      Join Date: May 2004       07-14-2010, 12:39 PM Reply   
Does Roger Penske still own Mastercraft? This is extremely interesting if he does as he also owns Ilmor...

I wonder if he's planning to use his muscle in the marine sector to start gaining market share with these Ilmor engines...
Old    Evil0ne (evil0ne)      Join Date: Sep 2006       07-14-2010, 12:56 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by brit_rider View Post
Does Roger Penske still own Mastercraft? This is extremely interesting if he does as he also owns Ilmor...

I wonder if he's planning to use his muscle in the marine sector to start gaining market share with these Ilmor engines...
Yes.
Old    Hate N Pain (hatepain)      Join Date: Aug 2006       07-14-2010, 12:57 PM Reply   
The X15 is on point, love all the extra red accents. The 45 (sans the tower) and what I assume is an X Star look hot too. I hate the new tower its just horrible looking and I mean c'mon who the hell needs an automated tower? I think the Gel schemes look good, to me they got back to a more boat look.
Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       07-14-2010, 1:00 PM Reply   
Not digging the tower yet...might grow on me over time just like the graphics. I like the hardcore graphics style myself but I understand that some people want their boat to look more like a family boat What I really like is the diamond design on the interior in that one shot, that's cool.
Old    Chasin7 T (chaser)      Join Date: Sep 2006       07-14-2010, 1:05 PM Reply   
I don't beleive Roger still owns Mastercraft. I think it is owned by Wayzata investing firm since sometime last summer http://www.tradeonlytoday.com/home/4...kruptcy-filing and http://www.boating-industry.com/output.cfm?ID=2207269

Here is an interesting article on ilmor:

June 23, 2010
Ilmor Engineering Announces Start of Production at Marine Engine Manufacturing Facility in Mooresville, NCIlmor Marine, LLC, a wholly owned subsidiary of Ilmor Engineering, Inc., began
production today at its new headquarters in Mooresville, NC. The 50,000 square foot
marine engine assembly and test facility, under construction since 2008, is capable of
assembling up to 15,000 engines per year. The first engines off the production line today
are already on their way to the OEM customer – MasterCraft Boat Company. Ilmor
Engineering, Inc., a high-performance powertrain engineering company, has operated
worldwide since 1984.

“This is a great day for our marine division. The program has been in the works for over
three years,” said Paul Ray, President of Ilmor Engineering, Inc. “We found a solid
opportunity when we entered the marine business as a racing organization in 2002. Our
core business had been auto-racing, but we believed our engineering skills could be put to
good use in the high-performance boating industry.

“We made the decision to enter the inboard market in 2007,” Ray continued. “Since then,
our staff has worked flat-out on engine design and development, in-water testing, engine
integration and facility construction. The new facility allows us to expand into highervolume
markets, with an initial focus upon our key partner, MasterCraft, the lead manufacturer of luxury performance inboards.”

Ilmor’s inboard offerings in the fresh water and salt water ‘Ocean Performance Series’
will be 5.7L (litre), 6.0L and 6.2L variants based upon industry standard General Motors
powerplants. Each engine is assembled with Ilmor-developed parts and systems to
increase overall performance and reliability. All of the engines are EPA, California-ARB
and EU-RCD emissions compliant.

“We created an assembly plant that is very much in keeping with Ilmor’s other facilities
around the world – both from a quality perspective and from a technology point of view,”
said Ronald A. Brown, President of Ilmor Marine LLC. “We have partnered with Fanuc
and PPG to create a robotic paint system that ensures a very high-quality paint
application. This ultra-clean system also helps create an employee-friendly environment.
In every instance, we searched for suppliers and technology partners that share Ilmor’s
passion for excellence and are the highest quality in their specialty, including companies
like GM and ZF. In an economy where most companies have scaled back investments,
Ilmor has invested heavily in the future of the marine industry with the latest
technology.”

Ilmor has worked closely with the state of North Carolina and Iredell County to hire
skilled specialists from the area.

“Through careful planning and product development, we now have a very well-known
brand synonymous with performance, high-quality and strong customer support,” said
Ray. “Each of those attributes are very important to us, and our goal is to provide all of
our customers with the same experience as we expand into exciting new areas of the
marine business.”

Created in 1984, Ilmor Engineering is a worldwide leader in high-performance
powertrain engineering. Its’ championship heritage includes 16 Indianapolis 500 wins,
two Formula One World Championships and three Powerboat P1 World Championships.
Ilmor’s facilities in Europe and the United States provide engineering and manufacturing
expertise to the auto, motorcycle, aircraft and defense industries as well as motorsports
clients in IndyCar and Stock Car.

For more information please contact:
Paul Ray, Ilmor Engineering, Inc:
paulray@ilmor.com
(734) 456-3600
Ronald A. Brown, Ilmor Marine, LLC:
ronbrown@ilmormarine.com
(704) 360-1900
Or, for more detailed information on Ilmor and its history, visit:
www.ilmor.com

Last edited by chaser; 07-14-2010 at 1:09 PM.
Old    Chris (maxx_wake)      Join Date: Sep 2003       07-14-2010, 2:20 PM Reply   
I dont really dig the look of the power tower either but from an engineering point of view I think it is kind of cool that the board racks and and cross bar rotate and stay horizontal as it is lowered. It looks like you can actually drive the boat with it down which is kind of cool...I guess...lots of low bridges?
Old    Andrew Moreton (andrew_moreton)      Join Date: Feb 2003       07-14-2010, 2:28 PM Reply   
As far as I know, each boat will have three tower options. The base tower is the tower in the photo of the X2. That tower does not have the Mastercraft inserts and the board racks are very basic and use bungee cords and do not spin. The "regular" tower that is in the photo of the X15 is the current tower and is the mid level. The power tower is the high end tower, so you will have options as to what tower you want to get on a 2011 Mastercraft.
Old    Timmy! (timmyb)      Join Date: Apr 2007       07-14-2010, 2:44 PM Reply   
Is the dash in that X45 new as well? Looks like a pretty good sized LCD screen.
Old    Murphy Smith (murphy_smith)      Join Date: Dec 2005       07-14-2010, 4:14 PM Reply   
Who the f designed that tower...Don Johnson and Scarab?

The tower is not for my taste, seems over designed.
Old    Ryan Cowan (aces6692)      Join Date: Nov 2006       07-14-2010, 4:55 PM Reply   
im diggin the paint schemes this year, but that automatic tower is absolutely horrid!! the x-15 on the other hand looks perfect, and the x2 tower looks almost like they went back to the 2004 tower. like the boats and paint, just not the auto tower.
Old    D C (dirwoody)      Join Date: Apr 2003       07-14-2010, 5:58 PM Reply   
Like the diamond pattern in the interior. Other than that. fugly IMO
Old     (tro)      Join Date: May 2009       07-14-2010, 6:16 PM Reply   
the 2 direct drives look sick. the rest are about par for mastercraft and their weird accents and crazy ideas.
Old    AMO (amo)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-14-2010, 6:25 PM Reply   
Can't wait to see the price points on these things! Do they know that we are still in a recession?

I give them credit, they are definitely pushing the design and "foo-foo" envelope.
Old     (tro)      Join Date: May 2009       07-14-2010, 6:29 PM Reply   
on the plus side, being as that crazy looking tower is automatic, you can now rub one out and put down your tower to go under a bridge at the same time. now that's enjoyable!
Old    Jason (jason95gt)      Join Date: May 2006       07-14-2010, 6:42 PM Reply   
The tower is wild, but is very beefed up and strong. If you are on a chain of lakes with bridges and locks, then this tower is an amazing addition to these boats. There is not a new X-star for this year.
Old    Rich (dohboy)      Join Date: Aug 2007       07-14-2010, 7:21 PM Reply   
What is that fugly tower about. Looks like some sort of robotic arm from a closed auto plant. It doesnt even appear to fold down under the windshield. How do some things make it off the designers computer screen? I like to color scheme on the X2 though. Mastercraft must have stock in Alcoa. They spend alot on aluminum!
Old    Brett Russell (smsbrett)      Join Date: Mar 2008       07-14-2010, 7:23 PM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirwoody View Post
Like the diamond pattern in the interior. Other than that. fugly IMO
The diamond pattern has actually been there since the 2009 model year. I agree it is nice.

I'm not sure yet how I feel about the new exteriors... pretty sure I like my 2010 better.

And the tower definitely seems suspect. My first thought was it looks like a transformer. I'm glad my boat goes onto the lift and under the canopy without having to fold the tower.
Old    Andrew Moreton (andrew_moreton)      Join Date: Feb 2003       07-14-2010, 7:45 PM Reply   
I'd like to see the gelcoat patterns to see if it's possible with the stripes to get a more "traditional" gelcoat where there is a color above the rubrail, a stripe under the rubrail, and a different color base. I'd love to be able to recreate Travis's gold flake X-Star next year. Hopefully I can with the new gelcoats!
Old    Lionel (lionel)      Join Date: Nov 2005       07-14-2010, 8:34 PM Reply   
I like that 15. Power tower looks a lot better than the prototype I saw!
Old    ROstap            07-14-2010, 9:38 PM Reply   
That 45 looks like crap, better plan on bringing your snorkel gear if you sitting up there..start the "45 sunk" thread countdown.
Old    Ajholt7 (ajholt7)      Join Date: Apr 2009       07-15-2010, 12:33 AM Reply   
That is by far the ugliest tower I have ever seen. What kind of idiot at Mastercraft gave the thumbs up to that. The same guy must work for Mastercraft that designed the Delorean.
Old    SamIngram            07-15-2010, 2:57 AM Reply   
Really??? You are digging on the design of the Delorean?? In 1980 the Delorean design was cutting edge...

I love how Correct Craft went with a counterweighted tower that you can lift with one finger and MC went with a hydraulic, pneumatic, or is it a linear actuator? Who cares, I guess....
Old    Ajholt7 (ajholt7)      Join Date: Apr 2009       07-15-2010, 3:02 AM Reply   
Sorry about the Delorean comment. Didn't know that would strike a nerve.
Old    Brett Treiber (pc_sledge)      Join Date: Jan 2006       07-15-2010, 4:56 AM Reply   
Not sure on the tower, could possibly grow on me but how does that work with a bimini or cargo rack?
Old    Chris (maxx_wake)      Join Date: Sep 2003       07-15-2010, 5:20 AM Reply   
I bet you could attach a rigid type bimini to that cross bar section and it would fold flat when the tower is down since it looks like it pivots.
Old    Andrew Moreton (andrew_moreton)      Join Date: Feb 2003       07-15-2010, 6:20 AM Reply   
I guess that says "Star"....
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Old    Brock Landers (formfunction)      Join Date: Jun 2008       07-15-2010, 6:27 AM Reply   
They need to stop hiring fourth graders in there r&d department.
Old    CT (boardnxtx)      Join Date: Jun 2009       07-15-2010, 6:58 AM Reply   
The direct drive and the X2 are the only 2 good looking boats they have in that set. I like the graphics on the X-Star, but that tower is terrible. I'm not sure how you fit all of the mechanical parts into something that would be more attractive to look at though. The auto-tower will fit a certain sector in the market, but I have a hard time believing that you will see them on the water all that often. I can already see the power turning tuber yanking that thing across the lake.

Can't wait to see a repair bill on one of those auto-towers once the warranty expires too.
Old    Andrew Moreton (andrew_moreton)      Join Date: Feb 2003       07-15-2010, 7:01 AM Reply   
Lots more photos on Facebook. And I think that X-Star just above has the Indmar 6.2L Supercharged engine. On Indmar's Facebook page they have a photo from testing it on a boat with the same tower, same interior. There are going to be so many options on next year's MC s for ordering a boat that it's going to be crazy for dealers to know what to order. My buddy owns a Ford dealership and I know they have one guy whose full-time job is to just study sales data and to order vehicles because there are so many different options with all the trim lines, engines, colors, interiors, etc.
Old    Jeremy (wake77)      Join Date: Jan 2009       07-15-2010, 7:07 AM Reply   
The tower will have its buyers, but many will not be willing to fork out the extra jack. I never fold down the tower, so that feature does not interest me. I do like the new X-Star graphics and that white interior (nothing new about that).
Old    Nick Tomsyck (sidekicknicholas)      Join Date: Mar 2007       07-15-2010, 7:17 AM Reply   
This was the last car I owned....
and for the record I bought it with that spoiler, and didn't really want to pay for a smaller one or take it off and have holes in my trunk.....

and now, MCs inspiration:
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Old    Curt Bowman (curt489)      Join Date: Feb 2008       07-15-2010, 7:22 AM Reply   
Check this automatic folding tower out.

The Power Tower eliminates the need for a person to raise and lower the tower manually. It's powered by electrically run linear actuators ( screw drive ), air shocks, pneumatic shocks, or hydraulic cylindersAir a

http://www.mikemurphyentinc.com/powertower.html.
Old    Mike (mike3500)      Join Date: Jun 2008       07-15-2010, 4:39 PM Reply   
That tower is straight out of Transformers, and nasty. Graphics no good. That red boat is terrible. Sorry, but MC totally missed it. I like the X2 the best, but still not a fan of even that tower.
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       07-15-2010, 4:48 PM Reply   
Why can't they just go back to the 05/06 tower? That was one of the best looking and most functional towers ever made.
Old    Bruce Mac (brucemac)      Join Date: Dec 2005       07-15-2010, 5:17 PM Reply   
agreed, 06 X-1 and X-2 are my two favorite boats still
Old     (millers_35)      Join Date: Jul 2010       07-16-2010, 2:09 PM Reply   
A video review of the new tower has just been posted up on MC's facebook.
Old    John M Hall (skyski1)      Join Date: Jan 2008       07-16-2010, 2:22 PM Reply   
You would think they would post a few concept photos here to get some feedback before they go making crazy stuff. Maybe even survey current owners.
Old    Kyle Marriott (kyle_m)      Join Date: Aug 2007       07-16-2010, 3:26 PM Reply   
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/...v=414306336381

video of zane explaining the new tower and showing its features
Old    Darren Lamont (dlamont)      Join Date: Apr 2003       07-16-2010, 3:39 PM Reply   
I would really love to read what people thought about the 2003 Xstar when it came out...
Old    Brett Yates (polarbill)      Join Date: Jun 2003       07-16-2010, 4:00 PM Reply   
Darren, what is the cost of that option over the current tower?

After watching that video the tower seems to be very functional. There is a lot of good thoughts that went into it. Now they need to improve the looks of it.
Old    Brett Treiber (pc_sledge)      Join Date: Jan 2006       07-17-2010, 10:27 AM Reply   
can anyone out there post up the Zane video mentioned above without having to sign up on Facebook?
Old    Evan Miller (mtownrydr)      Join Date: Apr 2008       07-17-2010, 10:47 AM Reply   
I bet once you cover the power tower with speakers the access to the rear storage compartments and swinging in the board racks with boards in them becomes a bit more troublesome.
Old    Evan Miller (mtownrydr)      Join Date: Apr 2008       07-17-2010, 10:47 AM Reply   
when it is folded down that is.
Old    mojo            07-17-2010, 11:40 AM Reply   
john delorean is the man. shame on you. he designed alot of cars you don't know about besides the s.s. future ride. he was also entrapped by some a holes.
Old    Andrew Moreton (andrew_moreton)      Join Date: Feb 2003       07-17-2010, 12:19 PM Reply   
Texas Mastercraft has posted all of the photos from Dealer Days in NC to Facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...2642646&ref=mf
Old    John Heath Lynch (rebelman10)      Join Date: Jun 2009       07-18-2010, 5:45 AM Reply   
They must have watched the TRANSFORMERS movie, then designed this crap. This is a tower LON would buy! Remember when sick looking meant awful! Try as you might they will never catch up with Nautique. Why do direct drives keep getting better looking and v drives look the same?
Old    Aaron (alindquist)      Join Date: Mar 2004       07-18-2010, 6:09 AM Reply   
give it 2 years and everybody will be offering some type of auto tower... I'm not a fan of the way it looks but if you need to lower it everytime to you put the boat up then it makes a lot of sense... BTW - I like the new graphics.
Old    Jon (jon4pres)      Join Date: May 2004       07-18-2010, 11:39 AM Reply   
how about the cts-v motor. That is the best picture of the bunch.
Old    B (fullspeed)      Join Date: Oct 2005       07-18-2010, 10:11 PM Reply   
Not a fan of the new looks or the tower sorry MC. Thumbs down....
Old    CORY MITCHELL (stang_killa_ss)      Join Date: Jan 2010       07-19-2010, 7:25 AM Reply   
jeez look at the tower on that x45 and xstar. what a waste of money. and they wonder why they cant get the prices down.

looks like a robotic arm at a factory or something. exept its not stamped steel. its all billet CNCed aluminum
Old    Jason Smith (snowslider76)      Join Date: Mar 2002       07-19-2010, 8:35 AM Reply   
I like the idea of the new tower. Ya I can fold my tower down, I do it 16 times a week!! I fold it down to get in the garage, back up when it's in the garage, down again to leave the garage then back up again(I have it up in the garage to avoid stressing my sun deck). Even with my tower speakers and bimini it's not heavy but a switch is def easier. The new tower looks like you can trailer with it in the down position. For one I wouldn't need to get out of my truck again when I get home to fold the tower down, back in then put it up again. I could hit the switch when I leave the lake, trailer home with it down, hit my garage door opener and back in, way easier. Doesnt look like it stresses the sun deck in anyway so I prolly wouldnt need to put it back up.

Assuming you can trailer with it down and from the looks of Zane's video when it's down the majority of the tower and board racks are behind the windsheild it would eliminate a ton of bug clean off. Looks like if you had tower speakers they would partially be behind the windshield as well. Trailering with the tower folded down is a win for me.

I think it's smart engineering for those reasons alone and would make me buy it. Even if it pushes the price of the boat way up it's still cheaper to me then my other options of buying a lake home in my area of a $M+ and 15-25k a year in property taxes, or sliping my boat and having my crap exposed to theft or buying an affordable lake home and having a 1.5 hr commute into the city. Just makes sense for my situation but not everybodies.

Just my .02
Old    Mike (mike3500)      Join Date: Jun 2008       07-19-2010, 10:01 AM Reply   
That tower motor sounds terrible, and annoying. I'm picturing a gerbil inside cranking it up and down.
Old    Tommy G (tommyg)      Join Date: Apr 2002       07-19-2010, 11:01 AM Reply   
Quote:
Originally Posted by ralph View Post
Wow. "I'm not quite athletic enough to lift up the tower....... Thank god we have a mastercraft, Lets go wakeboarding!"
I've got Wetsounds on my tower...and I'm not athletic enough to lift up my tower without putting my back in serious jeopardy...lol. I could really use a power tower!
Old    Eric (wakeboardin2k4)      Join Date: Sep 2006       07-20-2010, 4:44 PM Reply   
that tower looks terrible! The x2 set up looks great tho!
Old    M (big_un)      Join Date: Feb 2003       07-20-2010, 10:04 PM Reply   
Wtf?

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